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PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Condos with cluster mailboxes. Understand that the individual mailbox locks/keys are the responsibility of the owner but, what about the parcel lockers that serve a group of buildings? The kind where the carrier puts the package in the locker and leaves a key in the owner's box to retrieve the package.

Parcel locker key doesn't work. Couldn't retrieve my package. Placed a maintenance request with the HOA and they said:

Upon review, it has been determined that service request #XN1151264 does not fall under the responsibility of **** Association, Inc. per the association's governing documents and the service request has been closed.This is not the HOA's responsibility. The owners are to contact the post office for their mailboxes/lockers to be repaired.

The governing documents do not specifically state "mailboxes", which I would consider a community element.

Who pays? The owner who calls the unreachable USPS? Do they collect $ from the other owners to pay for it?

The HOA installed and paid for the mailboxes. Would the owners have to pay if they were destroyed? I tried several times to reach a human at the USPS, but gave up.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,048
Posted:
I would say that the box itself is a common element.

The key and lock would be a limited common element.

With that said, since the Association is responsible for the cluster mailbox, they would be the one's to fix the broken lock on the package door - NOT the post office.

Replacement locks are available online.

I would contact that HOA again and specify that this is for the SHARED package compartment and not your personal mailbox.

Regarding getting your package, if there are multiple package compartments (as I've seen on some cluster boxes), put a note in your mailbox for the carrier about the fact the key doesn't work.
(could be as simple that they gave you the wrong key).
AidylP1 (California)
Posts: 108
Posted:
Yes, the HOA pays for the mailbox clusters which are part of their reserve study. The keys, if needing to be replaced after a loss or the old owner didn't turn over are the responsibility of the homeowner.

When new cluster boxes are installed the initial keys are given to each owner, after that the homeowner would need to contact their "never answer the phone" USPS.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Your are on the Board, right, Pat? Take look at your reserve study. If the cluster boxes are common area, they should be listed in the study. We have two big sets of cluster mailboxes and they're on our reserve study.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,048
Posted:
Keep in mind that the issue is with the Parcel Box Lock not the owners actual mailbox.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Was on the Board. Retire 2 years ago. They were not on the Reserve study has they have a longer life than the study covered.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
There are a number of things governing documents don't mention because there may be language that allows the board to enact additional rules that flesh out the bylaws and CCRs. This may be one of those instances, although if that's the case, there should be something written somewhere that states that.
You may think these are a common element but because the documents don't specifically mention that doesn't mean they are.

If you'd Googled this, here's an example of whats out there:

https://www.budgetmailboxes.com/blog/who-is-responsible-for-cluster-mailboxes#:~:text=Generally%2C%20the%20property%20owner%20or,locks%20and%20master%20door%20locks

This is a good question you could ask tbe post office- you'll just have to go to the post office itself to do it. They might even have some sort of brochure on the subject.

Based on this article, I'm inclined to agree with so why not go to a board meetingvand ask them if they received anything in writing from the post office regarding this issue. Otherwise, I'd say they should fix it. If they still refuse, you may need to speak to a private attorney about your options.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
How would you handle the lock and key for the parcel locker that services multiple units?
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Tim,

I clarified that it was not my personal mailbox, but rather used by the community. Funny. I typed up a note to the carrier and placed it in the parcel locket on Saturday morning stating that the key didn't work and the HOA had been notified and asked that the locker not be used until it was fixed. The note was removed when I looked Saturday night.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Go to the post office for your zip code and speak to the station superintendent and ask them for a key
replacement to the parcel box. If the post office to your zip code gives you any hash, go to the main
post office and speak to that super or a postal investigator.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I did notice, Pat., that the lock services the community or many residents. So, it should be a common area expense paid for by the HOA.

I still don't get why it's not in the reserve study???? As a part of the common area cluster, normally replacing the lock would be done with reserve funds designated to that one time. But you Board could simply use funds form th contingency line item in the operations budget.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
The mail boxes were likely part of the common area when the community was built and classified as common property. At a later date, the HOA built parcel boxes. If the parcel box, lock and key are assigned to you for your exclusive use, , it is limited common area and your responsibility.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,048
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LetA on 02/12/2024 5:38 PM
Go to the post office for your zip code and speak to the station superintendent and ask them for a key replacement to the parcel box. If the post office to your zip code gives you any hash, go to the main post office and speak to that super or a postal investigator.

The post office will only maintain boxes that are their responsibility.

See my earlier link.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/12/2024 6:39 PM
I did notice, Pat., that the lock services the community or many residents. So, it should be a common area expense paid for by the HOA.

I still don't get why it's not in the reserve study???? As a part of the common area cluster, normally replacing the lock would be done with reserve funds designated to that one time. But you Board could simply use funds form th contingency line item in the operations budget.

Lifespan of some boxes is 25 years. Ours are 19 years old and except for faded paint, look great. You are right they should be in our Reserve Study and hopefully future boards will realize that eventually they will need to be replaced.

The repair of the lock will likely be under $200 and fall under general maintenance. An owner can buy a lock for $10 and repair theirs themselves, or hire a handyman, if they have access to the box. The parcel lockers are a little different as the key is locked in the slot after the package is removed. I'm handy but not fooling around with common property should something go wrong. I'm not hiring someone to do it either. Any issues would fall back on me.

The MC telling me that "per the governing documents" the repair isn't HOA is ridiculous. I wasn't on the board for 9 years to learn nothing. Parcel lockers are not exclusive to 1 owner.

I have refiled the maintenance request explaining common property vs. exclusive use to the MC. HOA installed and paid for the boxes. They need to maintain them.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Our cluster mailboxes were purchased by the association but the post office issues the keys. If that is your case, the post office is responsible for providing keys that function.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
Our Association has a list of Replacement Reserve obligations. Cluster mailboxes are the responsibility of the Board. As for keys to the mailboxes those come from the Post office.

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