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DarrenJ2 (Washington)
Posts: 11
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I have searched through the forums and online to find an answer to my question.

I understand in general how a rental cap works, but does a condo HOA have to wait for an owner who is renting to sell their unit or can the HOA make them stop renting out their unit when a lease ends?

Here is some background:

I am a Board Member in a small 5 unit condo building in Seattle. Three of the condos are currently owner occupied. Every owner in the building has owned their unit or lived in the building for over 20 years.

One owner moved out 16 years ago and has been renting to the same tenant since then.

A second owner moved out in 2011 and started renting out his unit. He has a new tenant almost every year. He tried to sell his unit a few years ago but it needs a remodel and he could not sell it for as much as he wanted to and so he took it off the market. Now he plans to rent it indefinitely.

Now a third owner wants to rent their condo for one year.

Our goal is to have only 2 of the 5 units rented. Part of this is because of our HOA master insurance policy and mortgages.

This past year our HOA master insurance policy was canceled because our building is over 50 years old.

After a long process in what is a brutal market for HOA master insurance for smaller older buildings, we found a new policy, but the insurer has asked us how many rentals we have and wants us to pay more for extra liability insurance if we have ore than two rentals. We also know that having 3 of 5 units rented will negatively impact mortgages if owners want to sell.

Currently we require that new owners live in the building for 2 years before renting, but we have not had a new owner since 2002, so we have not seen that play out.

We are thinking of adding a rental cap but it won't do us any good if we have to wait for the owners renting their units to sell to implement it.

In trying to keep just 2 rentals:

With the unit owner who now plans to rent indefinitely but has a new tenant every year, if we implement a rental cap, do we have to wait for him to sell his unit for the third other owner to have a chance to rent their unit (so we only have 2 rentals total) or can we tell him that it will be another unit's turn to rent after his current tenant's lease ends?

Thank you for reading. I appreciate your time.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Darren

Unless your Docs have rental restrictions in them, typically you will need all owners agreeing to implement/add rental restrictions. As you outlined your situation, I doubt you will be able to as some are happy renting out their unit. Either get all owners to agree or lawyer up.
DarrenJ2 (Washington)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thanks for your response. We have the 67% we need from the three owners who live in the building to change our Declaration. We share a larger percentage due to bigger units, so that is not my issue. I am hoping to find out more about how rental caps work in terms of whether we have to wait for an owner to sell or if we can set it up for when the current or next lease ends. If anyone has info that they could share, that would be great.

Also, I am an attorney but do not have experience in HOA law, so we don't really need to lawyer up. Was just hoping to get insight into how most rental caps are handled.

Thank you.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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It depends how your rental restriction is written. If it says "you may rent your unit until you sell it", then that's how it works. But it can work other ways.

Also FYI: the amendment will have to be written by a lawyer who knows what they're doing, since it's important that it be consistent with the rest of your CC&RS and your state's laws governing your type of community association. You're a lawyer, but you say that you don't have experience with HOA law (or condo law in your case), so there may be things you don't know.

For example, when we were looking at amending our rental restriction, our attorney researched case law and ended up recommending that we not use a rental cap. Case law is mixed, with rental caps being shot down in some areas as "arbitrary" (which I actually agree with). They can also be hard to administer, although in a small association that's less of a concern.

Other communities have amended their restriction to prohibit renting during the first year or two of ownership, which can be effective in keeping out the investors. It won't keep out the folks with deep pockets who plan to renovate the unit and who can afford to wait out the no-rental period.

You're also up against a trend nationwide to allow short-term "rentals", which a number of us here consider a plague and not real rentals at all. Case law on this is mixed as well. If possible, if you do nothing else, I recommend keeping these out of your community since one bad STR can ruin a small condo association.

Also... you're considering allowing a 40% rental cap (2 out of 5 units). Be aware that lenders look at such things before approving mortgages, and you're one more rental away from being ineligible for FHA financing (which may or may not be a concern). The laws covering FHA financing changed abruptly during the Great Recession, when the allowable cap dropped from 50% 50 25% - so many communities went from eligible to ineligible overnight, and there was nothing they could do about it. The FHA cap is currently set at 50%.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 11/18/2023 5:02 AM
... The laws covering FHA financing changed abruptly during the Great Recession, when the allowable cap dropped from 50% 50 25% - so many communities went from eligible to ineligible overnight, and there was nothing they could do about it. The FHA cap is currently set at 50%.


Dropped from 50% to 25%.

My kingdom for an edit button...
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/17/2023 8:27 PM
[snippage done by ElleN for focus]I understand in general how a rental cap works, but does a condo HOA have to wait for an owner who is renting to sell their unit or can the HOA make them stop renting out their unit when a lease ends? ... Three of the condos are currently owner occupied. ... One owner moved out 16 years ago and has been renting to the same tenant since then. ... A second owner moved out in 2011 and started renting out his unit. He has a new tenant almost every year. ... he plans to rent it indefinitely. ... Now a third owner wants to rent their condo for one year.

Our goal is to have only 2 of the 5 units rented. Part of this is because of our HOA master insurance policy and mortgages.

This past year our HOA master insurance policy was canceled because our building is over 50 years old.

After a long process in what is a brutal market for HOA master insurance for smaller older buildings, we found a new policy, but the insurer has asked us how many rentals we have and wants us to pay more for extra liability insurance if we have ore than two rentals. We also know that having 3 of 5 units rented will negatively impact mortgages if owners want to sell.

Currently we require that new owners live in the building for 2 years before renting, but we have not had a new owner since 2002, so we have not seen that play out.

We are thinking of adding a rental cap but it won't do us any good if we have to wait for the owners renting their units to sell to implement it.

In trying to keep just 2 rentals:

With the unit owner who now plans to rent indefinitely but has a new tenant every year, if we implement a rental cap, do we have to wait for him to sell his unit for the third other owner to have a chance to rent their unit (so we only have 2 rentals total) or can we tell him that it will be another unit's turn to rent after his current tenant's lease ends?
Observations:

-- I presume this 50+ year old condo is subject to RCW 64.32. If you know otherwise, please say so.

-- Nonetheless, RCW 64.34 (for newer condos, with many caveats that pertain to older condos) appears to place restrictions on amendments attempted by pre-July 1, 1990 condominiums as follows:

RCW 64.34.010
Applicability.(2)The provisions of chapter 64.32 RCW do not apply to condominiums created after July 1, 1990, and do not invalidate any amendment to the declaration, bylaws, and survey maps and plans of any condominium created before July 1, 1990, if the amendment would be permitted by this chapter [meaning chapter 64.34].

See https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.34.010

-- This then seems to bring the reader to RCW RCW 64.34.264:
Amendment of declaration.
...
(4) Except to the extent expressly permitted or required by other provisions of this chapter, no amendment may... change... the uses to which any unit is restricted, in the absence of the vote or agreement of the owner of each unit particularly affected and the owners of units to which at least ninety percent of the votes in the association are allocated other than the declarant or such larger percentage as the declaration provides.


-- Some case law indicating (1) that an amendment that restricts rentals is an amendment that changes the use of units (with caveats, like the courts want to see the declaration speak to 'leasing' as a use); and (2) to some extent, how Washington courts think about amendments to condo declarations:

https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2016/91247-5.html
BILANKO v. BARCLAY COURT OWNERS ASSOCIATION

https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2015/90879-6.html
FILMORE LLLP v. UNIT OWNERS ASSOCIATION OF CENTRE POINTE CONDOMINIUM

https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2000/67529-5-1.html
Shorewood West Condominium Ass'n v. Sadri

-- At present my conclusion is that the OP's association would, at a minimum, need the agreement of the owners currently renting their units. It's also entirely possible that 64.34 requires unanimous consent of all owners (regardless of whether they are renting now, plan to rent, or do not rent now).

-- I have changed my position in the past. If anyone sees this differently (per statutes and the case law), I am all eyes.

-- General observation: Nationwide the courts require that amendments to the declaration pass a reasonable test. Amending to restrict the leasing of a residential condo unit is arguably not reasonable. This is one reason why I think the Washington legislature put the above language into RCW 64.34.

-- If I were on this board, I would be somewhat more concerned about this building's age (on salt water, no less); the insurability problem (due to age); and general safety. If not done in the last year or so, I would be considering a motion for structural engineers specialized in building inspections to do a complete, on-site review.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 2:39 AM
Thanks for your response. We have the 67% we need from the three owners who live in the building to change our Declaration. We share a larger percentage due to bigger units, so that is not my issue. I am hoping to find out more about how rental caps work in terms of whether we have to wait for an owner to sell or if we can set it up for when the current or next lease ends. If anyone has info that they could share, that would be great.

Also, I am an attorney but do not have experience in HOA law, so we don't really need to lawyer up. Was just hoping to get insight into how most rental caps are handled.

Thank you.

Darren

I do not believe the larger percentage based on size applies to Covenant/Bylaw changes. I say in such cases, one vote per unit.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By JohnC46 on 11/18/2023 10:05 AM
Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 2:39 AM
Thanks for your response. We have the 67% we need from the three owners who live in the building to change our Declaration. We share a larger percentage due to bigger units, so that is not my issue. I am hoping to find out more about how rental caps work in terms of whether we have to wait for an owner to sell or if we can set it up for when the current or next lease ends. If anyone has info that they could share, that would be great.

Also, I am an attorney but do not have experience in HOA law, so we don't really need to lawyer up. Was just hoping to get insight into how most rental caps are handled.

Thank you.


Darren

I do not believe the larger percentage based on size applies to Covenant/Bylaw changes. I say in such cases, one vote per unit.

Probably - and the CC&Rs will spell this out.

It's not unusual in condos to levy assessments based on par value (percentage of ownership) which correlates with unit size and other things, but to give each unit one vote. In the years I've been reading on this site, I remember only one or two posters saying that their votes were also based on par value - so I get the impression that this is not the norm.
DarrenJ2 (Washington)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thank you everyone. I appreciate the responses.

We already amended our Declaration in 2013 so that new buyers must live at the building for 2 years prior to renting.

We require a one year lease or more per our Declaration. We have a short term rental restriction per our documents and our Master HOA policy does not allow short term rentals as well.

We only have 5 units. One unit is 2500 sq feet and the other 4 are all 700 sq fee eacht. The larger unit has its own entrance and private laundry and the other 4 units share an entrance and a laundry room. It would be awkward for someone to lie about rentals or have a short term rental without those 4 owners doing something about it.

We already know we have the votes to change Declaration and one of the Owners who rents has already said as soon as his longtime tenant of many years moves out, he's going to sell his unit, and he says he will do whatever the Board wants to do, which he has done agreeably for any other matter for the 30 years he has owned the unit.

The other owner who rents out his unit is not an investor. He lived in the unit for many years and only rents it out because, in his words "he does not know how to sell his unit for more than he paid for it." He does not want to spend the money to remodel his unit so that he can sell it, and because our old historic building is completely remodeled, his unit sticks out like a sore thumb when he tries to sell it.

So that we only have 2 of the 5 units rented at a time, we would like to create a rental cap, and give him notice that it will be someone else's turn to rent after his current tenant leaves.

If anyone has experience in writing an amendment for a rental cap that terminates rentals after a tenant moves out, rather than after a unit sells, any insight about that would be appreciated.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 10:52 AM

We only have 5 units. One unit is 2500 sq feet and the other 4 are all 700 sq fee eacht. The larger unit has its own entrance and private laundry and the other 4 units share an entrance and a laundry room. It would be awkward for someone to lie about rentals or have a short term rental without those 4 owners doing something about it.

We already know we have the votes to change Declaration
If one owner votes against the rental cap, then I do not see how you have the votes.
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 10:52 AM
So that we only have 2 of the 5 units rented at a time, we would like to create a rental cap, and give him notice that it will be someone else's turn to rent after his current tenant leaves.

If anyone has experience in writing an amendment for a rental cap that terminates rentals after a tenant moves out, rather than after a unit sells, any insight about that would be appreciated.
If you have a unanimous vote in favor of this, then I do not see why you cannot think of the appropriate wording.
DarrenJ2 (Washington)
Posts: 11
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We only need 67% to change our Declaration. The way our Declaration was written, vote are determined by share of ownership. In that case we have the votes we need with 3 of the units, but we have 4 of the 5 who agree.

I can come up with appropriate wording. That is not what I am looking for. It is my understanding that the standard rental cap terminates leasing when a unit sells, so I am trying to get feedback from any other Board members or buildings that may have created a rental cap for when a lease ends rather than a sale.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 11:09 AM
We only need 67% to change our Declaration. The way our Declaration was written, vote are determined by share of ownership. In that case we have the votes we need with 3 of the units, but we have 4 of the 5 who agree.
At this writing and by my reading of the Washington condo statute, I think the statute might very well require either 90% or unanimous agreement.
DarrenJ2 (Washington)
Posts: 11
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I realize that was changed to 90% a few years ago. I would need to do more research, but have not because the 4 units that agree would equal 90% because the rental that may or may not vote with us has a 10% share. Our Declaration was written to vote by share, not by number of units.

I am just looking for feedback from others about how they have structured their rental caps.

It is my understanding that the standard rental cap terminates leasing when a unit sells, so I am trying to get feedback from any other Board members or buildings that may have created a rental cap for when a lease ends rather than a sale.

Thanks again.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 11:46 AM
I realize that was changed to 90% a few years ago.
?

The condo statute section I cited above, that speaks of the 90% (or possibly unanimous) requirement, appears to have existed since the new Condo Act was enacted circa 1989.

I am still not certain of the applicability of the section I cited above (from the new Condo Act).

As for a landlord moving to the end of the line when a lease "ends": Leases are extended all the time.

If your board is determined to just pass this and then see if anyone challenges it within the one year statutory limit, I think the wording should say something like "when a tenant moves out." Which certainly will be fabulous incentive for a landlord to keep a bad tenant in place.

Also: Rental caps present the challenge of monitoring and assume landlords will be honest. Since you say you have 90% of the votes, why not just try to ban renting all together? Then the only question is: Will 90% will cut it, or does the statute require unanimous consent?
DarrenJ2 (Washington)
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The 90% rule only applies to condo associations formed after 1990. Ours was formed in 1964.

The Owner who is renting out the unit with a lot of tenant turnover states he does NOT want to be a landlord, so we are not worried about him extending leases, etc. He just had a tenant move out last month.

There is nothing holding us back from doing it, but I came here to get feedback from any HOAs that may have used a rental cap for when a lease expires instead of when a unit sells.

Thanks again.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DarrenJ2 on 11/18/2023 12:34 PM
The 90% rule only applies to condo associations formed after 1990.
This is not my interpretation, so far. The newer condo act has many sections that apply to 1990 and earlier condos.

Regardless, there's always the strategy of (allegedly lawfully) passing an amendment and seeing whether anyone sues.

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