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MonicaE (Nevada)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Nevada

An election took place at our annual meeting with 2 officers having a 1 year remaining in their term two members re-elected and two new members never serving on the BOD. The last position needed to be an appointment as it was vacated by a former Board member who also had a two-year term.

The meeting immediately following the election, the two new members wanted to appoint a specific person to the vacant seat; however after the motion was made and a vote was taken it was a split vote with three votes in favor and three votes opposed. The motion was not passed. The two new members became irate and caused a scene, so the President (President had another year in the term) said they were out of order and asked if there was a motion to adjourn the meeting as all the other topics on the agenda were completed. The motion to adjourn the meeting was made, seconded and again had a split vote. However, due to the commotion the new members were making, the President adjourned the meeting.

The President, VP and another member left the meeting, however the Assoc Manager and the three newly appointmented members remained. These three members (and the CAM) chose to continue the meeting, appointed another person to the Board and elected officers. This ocurred after the current President and VP and another member left the meeting, which did not leave a quorum nor officers to continue the meeting legally.

That was six months ago and a complaint was filed with the Ombudsman's office, but they have not completed their investigation. In the meantime, the newly appointed Board has been controlling our community and everything is deteriorating. The dues has been increased by 30%, landscapers have been reduced, security has had cutbacks,etc. Residents constantly complain, but nothing is getting done.

Any suggestions as a concerned homeowner??
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Monica,
If there was no quorum, then there was no meeting, period. What is wrong with a P.M who didn't know that fact. The President adjorned the meeting and it was seconded, period. What you all need is to get the mediation over but in the mean time, someone needs to get all of the members together. Perhaps the association attorney?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I feel that Directors should always be elected. I'm not sure why there was a need for a motion to fill a vacancy, when there was a meeting where elections were being held for other positions. Most bylaws say a Board member serves until his/her term ends OR until replaced. Check your bylaws under TERMS to see what defines a term.

That partial term vacancy could have been filled by election of the general members to fill it (until the full term was up again.)

Of course, if your bylaws say that vacancies are filled for the ENTIRE remaining term by the Board, then disregard the above post.

Anyway, all business held in an inquorate meeting is null and void.

LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
We are having our elections this Thurs.Once the ballots are counted and the names are announced who won. Its over. They never read off the votes each person got, which I am wondering why? Other then hurt feelings.Is this proper? How do other HOA handle it.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The presiding officer makes the announcement of the winner. Yes, the unvarnished "results" of the election need to be released. Either announced out loud, or posted on the bulletin board - but revealed to the voting members. It's part of the legal procedures of the meeting.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susan,
"Inquorate", Man I love that word. I hope I get a chance to use it before I forget. .

I agreed totally with your post. I would believe it also should be made part of the minutes to include #.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
What happened to the President and VP? How can a Board meeting be held without a Presiding chair (President).

I take it someone or group had to file the complaint. What are they doing? You all need a Town Hall meeting.
MikeS6 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I think it depends on what the notion of a Quorum is, if in the organizations bylaws or other governing documents a definition of what constitutes a quorum exists then that is what should be used, if no such definition exists then use the definition in your state law, if your state law does provide a definition the generally accepted definition of a quorum applies.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Monica use the term "Officers".

I believe she refers to Board members, but it does bring up a question. In our documents there is a section that Deals with "Officers" appointed by the Board. They are not Board members but usually appointed to gather information about specific problems, although no specific reasons are listed in the Documents. We have never used this, probably because the Boards are so entrenched they would not dare to break their mold. But to me, it could make a lot of sense.

Anyone know anything about "Appointed by the Board Officers?"
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Hey Mr. Robert,
In the sunny State of Florida, Board members decide among themselves as to who will hold what "Officers" position on the Board. They elect their own President, Sec and Treasurer, with remaining Board members or "Directors, holding "At Large" or V.P or 2nd V.P. or whatever they use.
So we use Board Member, Officers and Directors, all for the same general positions or otherwise known as the Board of Directors.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Our HOA elects officers FIRST, then 5 at-large directors. It's crazy - what if no one wanted to run for Secretary? (which DID happen 4 years ago)

I think the best thing is to elect the entire Board, then let them hammer out the officer positions with their own election. Every person who desires to be on the Board better be ready to assume an officership position.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:

To those interested. I hope you didn't get the impression I didn't know how the Boards are made up.
But, if you read last line of below section from our By-laws it will become clear as to what I was referring to.

Section 1. Number and Election. There shall be elected annually by and from the Board a President, a Secretary and a Treasurer. The office of Secretary and Treasurer may be filled by the same person. The Board may also elect from time to time such other officers as n their judgement may be needed, which officers need not be Board members.

For Missy Donna and Missy Susan, I want to stay on the safe side of both of you. You both are smarter than I, but on second thought, most people are smarter than I, except my wife and she is five times smarter than I. Meaner also.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Robert - please double check your copying of the bylaw. I can't imagine what that means.

How can the Board "elect" non board members as "officers" to do board duties?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susan,
This is pasted from our By-laws, no mistake.

I wouldn't put up something that wasn't real.

This is separate from the comments on appointing committees.

Tell you true, the only thing I have to go on is the original 1981 by laws. Then we redid the Documents in s005 and it is still in there. It makes some sende when you think about it.

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