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DavidS23 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Just when I thought I've heard it all,our board is now recruiting Canadian citizens to serve on our board. I have nothing against Canadians personally. I do not want anyone fron any other Country representing my interests. What ever country you are from you have your own beliefs and values. This is the United States Of America of which I served.
Our resort is seasonal and the board holds several conference calls over the summer months. This gets quite expensive and when you add a line from Canada it's outragious.
Please let me hear from other USA citizens on how you feel about this.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your HOA is a corporation, registered in the USA. It abides by USA regulations. So anyone from another country who sits on the Board should be well versed in USA non profit corporate law, state regulations, covenants and bylaws. That's who you should encourage to sit on your board.

I know you don't want to sound bigoted, but just because a person is from another country does not mean he/she would not be a good board member.

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DavidS23: Since your Board is recruiting Canadian citizens to serve on the Board, do your documents state that ONLY unit owners can serve on the Board? Therefore, if the Canadian citizen is a unit owner in your association, and his interests in maintaining property values holds true, then IMHO, he has just as much right to hold office as any other unit owner.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Personally, I think this is much to do about nothing. We have a couple from Germany that own a condo and are very well educated and spend about half their time here and have for years......I wish they would volunteer, but they are like so many others.

I wonder if this was a choice or a default action. Not being critical because a lot of volunteers are really folks that have been talked into running. I still have the opinion that a lot of people don't volunteer because they don't recognise the master they have to serve and mistake the job to be a "please the majority", when it really is to "protect the association."
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Why not use an internet phone call. Pretty cheap even to here in Canada... . I can call anywhere in Canada or the U.S for less than 5 cents/minute 24/7 so an hour or two on the phone is going to cost me 3-6.00.

But hey, if you don't want unit holders from other Countries representing their interests as well, by being on the Board why not offer to buy all the Canadians units from them. We keep reading how there are more and more homes for sale in the U.S. and prices are dropping so much that you may have to put up with foreign investment. First Dubai World buying your ports, next China in Citibank, and now heaven forbid....CANADIANS.

The CAD dollar has risen so much many Canadians are now looking at investing in US properties, especially in Florida and Arizona. Can't blame us cause when we were at 60 cents it really sucked but being ~ par is great for us.

The only real difference I can see is that Canadians look so white (no tans) for 6 months of the year cause the sun doesn't rise, and oh yes, we say 'eh' alot!

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Any person who owns a unit or property within the association and is a member in good standing and is willing to give free time and input to running your association should be welcomed in as someone who will volunteer to do this sometimes thankless job. We are no longer a country of only Americans. If they pay their way, they have every right to sit on your BOD. They are only one vote, and one voice. Embrace and Thank them for volunteering.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
DavidS23---So far I agree with the postings of everyone who replied to you. However, I think I know where YOU'RE coming from. I live in an area (Florida) that gets thousands of Canadian visitors each "season" who are tourists AND condo, and home owners, too. No, they're not American citizens and I think that maybe that's what is rubbing you the wrong way. There are many in the USA that feel that just because someone is "allowed" into our country that they should not have ALL the same rights as those who fought for our freedoms and rights to live here. There are also those "foreigners" who feel it's their 100% right to do whatever, whenever, however they want to do, just because they're here. (As an example: Just check out the license plates of all the cars parked in the fire lanes in front of stores.)

I don't know what the statutes are in your state; nor what your docs say about it. But here, the ONLY thing that would keep an individual from running for a seat of the Board of Directors, is if they've been convicted of a felony (and have not had their voting rights restored). That mean voting rights in the U.S.A. If they can't vote in the U.S.A, or have been convicted of a felony in another country, should they be allowed to hold such a position on a board???
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
I see nothing wrong with any owner in good standing serving on the board. They want to look after their investment too. Most HOAs posting here have problems getting anyone to serve.
You call your place a resort, so I assume they are condos or townhouses. They require more board time than does say, an HOA of free standing homes with no maintenance requirments.
Long distance board membership can be a problem too, and cause burn out quickly. I have a good friend in New Jersey who WAS president of his condo in South Carolina for one year. It was a constant headache with everyday problems, and added expenses for him that he decided not to run again. Two sides to a coin. Harold
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Thank you Harold, for touching on that point. I was going to ad something about that, yet I didn't want to sound too "negative". In my humble opinion, "seasonal" board members are never a good idea, nor an asset to a well run association. Managing an association is a 52-week a year job. Those "snowbirds" who have homes elsewhere really don't understand that business and problems and issues need to be dealt with while they're away. The "permanent" board members, who live on-site year-round are the ones who really take care of everything in their absence. It doesn't matter how many phone lines we have or e-mails we send to seasonal B.D.'s, their thoughts and lives are elsewhere for six to eight months. Then they come back with a "vacation mind-set" and expect to be allowed to "run" the property since they've "returned". It causes a lot of animosity and resentment among the other board members who live, eat and breathe their association, in the absence of the seasonal owners.

So, no, I don't approve of seasonal; snowbird; foreign; or absent owners being on a board. Volunteering for OTHER jobs and committies is a FANTASTIC asset to the community. Those should always be welcomed!!!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Anna and Harold,
You both have given the down side to having seasonal members on the Board and that is a very valid concern. I would be on your side if it was up to my opinion to make the decision to allow a member who is not on site all of the time to sit on my association's Board.
The other side of the issue is "Do foreign owners have the right to be on their Boards?" Yes they do as my above post has stated.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
AnnaD,
I could have composed your posting not too long ago and probably would not be so nice about it.

But, you make a telling remark, and it took a long time for me to understand. The truth is you and I are right. It is also just as true we don't personally control everyone and we have to play the cards we are dealt. We serve ourselve better if we just keep on getting on and chipping away. You will not change what they think and you will not change how they act. So, we win, and who loses? We all do if we don't work with the way things are. Once in a while one of our absentee HO decide to retire and come live here. To watch their attitude change is remarkable, but for everyone that comes to live here , there is always one or two to leave and all this will probably get worse. We don't have enough full timers to make up a seven man board and I have been here 17 years. So you do the best you can and you roll along living your life............no choice. We are fortunate we don't have many that don't keep up their dues and when they come down they always have improvements to look at. We have a manager that is by and large an asset. He assumes much more authority than he should and we never seem to be able to catch up to a good reserve. But, that's the way it is here and we haven't had any big fights between absentee and full time. We have had some good board members, and some bad, some good boards and some bad. After seventeen years we should be further down the line and it a day to day detirment, but there it is.
KatherineS1 (Washington)
Posts: 3
Posted:
As long as they have shared interest in the property, they can be on the Board of Directors, regardless of where they are from.

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