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HenryS6
(Arizona)

Posts:80


08/28/2021 8:42 AM  
For those boards who have competitive elections, how do homeowners know who to vote for? We work as a board and present our work as a board as a unified front to the homeowners, so no non-board homeowner would have the foggiest idea of who volunteers the most, who contributes the least, who is obnoxious, who helps be the velcro to keep the board together, etc. It wouldn't be appropriate for me (as president) to share this information to others.

So, if you have more people wanting to be on the board than spots open, how do homeowners know who to vote for?
AugustinD


Posts:1695


08/28/2021 9:16 AM  
My understanding is that you as an owner (not the President) can certainly campaign for or against someone using the same tools every owner has: Mass snail mails. Mass emails. A web site. Et cetera.

I am not persuaded that who works the hardest and who is obnoxious is confidential information. Though I would be curious as to what you see as obnoxious that is not visible to owners, since Arizona board meetings are mostly open to owners, right?

As long as your assertions are based on demonstrable facts, I think it's fine to share your opinions or these facts.

Some people advise not going negative. It might be a better strategy for you to list everything the candidates you favor have done that argues that these candidates are the ones for whom the owners should vote.
SheliaH
(Indiana)

Posts:4239


08/28/2021 9:42 AM  
You're talking about grown people so they should be capable of doing what grown folks are supposed to do when electing anyone - ask questions based on what they'd like to see in a board member.

It's great your board has found a way to work together, but you're not a hive. I believe anyone should be able to go to any board member and ask questions about association business and get an informed answer. It's ok if board members have a slightly different approach to certain issues and a different reason for voting for something. I don't expect them to vote for something Or do something just because the president said do.

You may have your own opinions as to who works harder or more effectively, but as you said, it's not appropriate for you to imply or endorse mr. X instead of mr. X because you like him. Let every board member stand up for him/her self. If I as a question and it's clear mr. X doesn't think for himself, apply careful thought to the issues or just votes lockstep with everyone else, that's not the person I'd want on the board,but that's just me.

Perhaps you should suggest the board sponsor a "meet the candidates" meeting where current and prospective board members can introduce themselves, talk about their accomplishments and why they want to be on the board or continue. Then let the homeowners decide what they want, and may the best person won.
AugustinD


Posts:1695


08/28/2021 9:45 AM  
Posted By SheliaH on 08/28/2021 9:42 AM
Perhaps you should suggest the board sponsor a "meet the candidates" meeting where current and prospective board members can introduce themselves, talk about their accomplishments and why they want to be on the board or continue. Then let the homeowners decide what they want, and may the best person won.
For sure. I am glad SheliaH mentioned this. In the three HOAs/COAs in which I have resided, these 'meet the candidate' town halls have been well-attended, with good questions from the floor.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/28/2021 10:10 AM  
Our HOA, and I think many, send our "Candidate Statements" with the ballots that, here, are a one-page statement not to exceed 300 words. It's sort of a form and non-required guidelines ask what goals the candidate has? Background in HOA participation, background in other voluntary orgs, related experience, and, finally, why you should be (re)elected.

We, like many HOAs also have a Meet the Candidates event which is very popular. Owners submit questions in advance that each candidate, seated at a table at the front of the meeting room, will answer. Each candidate first gives a very brief intro statement. Our PM assisted by our Inspectors of Election handle this meeting. If there's enough time, owners can then ask questions of individual candidates.

As an owner, Henry sure can campaign as he wishes, but, with Aug., stay positive.

For the first time in our 20-yr. history we only have enough candidates to fill our3 openings this year.
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:11539


08/28/2021 11:36 AM  
Our BOD does nothing concerning BOD Candidates as we allow nominations form the floor, we have no ide who will be running. That said as only once have we had more running then open spots we have never had to "get serious" about BOD Elections. As a Member of the BOD I feel free in canvassing/supporting a candidate. What I will not do is become negative about a candidate, at least not publicly.....LOL
MaxB4


Posts:1395


08/28/2021 11:52 AM  
Having handle a number of HOA elections in the past, I have send quite a few candidate statements, some, not many, are authentic. Some are just plain hillarious at how little people know of HOA's.

But, some of you might have heard, California is going to the polls next month to decide if the Governor shoud be recalled or not. If the vote is yes, there are 47 candidates listed on the ballot to choose from, from all different political parties. Each person registered to vote received a booklet with the issues and candidate statements from those who decided to participate.

34 of the 47 provided statememts. Here is a sample of some:

---Defender of Cuban Revolution
---I have been a compassionate and thoughtful disrupter (former Olympic decathlon winner)
---Immigrant Small Business Owner
---Billboard Queen. Icon. Experience politican
---Seach YouTube
---Can you dig it?
---Vote for me The Peoples Governor
---Love U

Outside of the second statement, all were just one line. These are people wanting (seriously) to lead the 5tjh largest economy in the world. And we expect more for a person running for a board seat?
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/28/2021 12:11 PM  
Unfortunate about Max's experiences with his HOA's candidate statements. I only am experienced with the many I've reviewed over 16 years living in my HOA. While some, to be sure, showed little comprehensions of HOAs. All, however, were "authentic," I saw no lies or hyperbolic claims about self. I did or do know all of these folks.

We did have two candidates for reelection 2 years ago who ignored the one-page limit and submitted several pages of their CVs to the newish PM who accidentally sent them to owners. Talk about hilarious, things they'd done in the 1970s! That were unrelated to Board service. Moreover, each ignored a very controversial topic at that time. Both suffered humiliating defeats. One is a PhD retired academic economist; the other an attorney.
MaxB4


Posts:1395


08/28/2021 6:59 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/28/2021 12:11 PM
Unfortunate about Max's experiences with his HOA's candidate statements. I only am experienced with the many I've reviewed over 16 years living in my HOA. While some, to be sure, showed little comprehensions of HOAs. All, however, were "authentic," I saw no lies or hyperbolic claims about self. I did or do know all of these folks.

We did have two candidates for reelection 2 years ago who ignored the one-page limit and submitted several pages of their CVs to the newish PM who accidentally sent them to owners. Talk about hilarious, things they'd done in the 1970s! That were unrelated to Board service. Moreover, each ignored a very controversial topic at that time. Both suffered humiliating defeats. One is a PhD retired academic economist; the other an attorney.



I take it you don't do well with smart people.
MaxB4


Posts:1395


08/28/2021 8:46 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/28/2021 12:11 PM
Unfortunate about Max's experiences with his HOA's candidate statements. I only am experienced with the many I've reviewed over 16 years living in my HOA. While some, to be sure, showed little comprehensions of HOAs. All, however, were "authentic," I saw no lies or hyperbolic claims about self. I did or do know all of these folks.

We did have two candidates for reelection 2 years ago who ignored the one-page limit and submitted several pages of their CVs to the newish PM who accidentally sent them to owners. Talk about hilarious, things they'd done in the 1970s! That were unrelated to Board service. Moreover, each ignored a very controversial topic at that time. Both suffered humiliating defeats. One is a PhD retired academic economist; the other an attorney.



If law firms were looking to make money on any of the assoiation I manage, I am afraid they would all be homeless. So, because of that I don't tend to read much case law. For the life of me, I have no idea how you do it Augie?

On the other hand, to be as effiecient as possible and be as transparent in representing my clients, I read up on some very well run HOA operations, such as the ones that are part of the Sun City HOA's that operate in different parts of th United States. Now those of some impressively run corporations.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/28/2021 9:21 PM  
Perhaps someone can explain to me how Max's "replies" to my post have anything to do with candidates for HOA boards. Any takers (other than Max)?

I also can't comprehend why he thinks PhD economists and attorneys are necessarily "smart." Or did Max mean himself?
CathyA3
(Ohio)

Posts:2475


08/29/2021 5:26 AM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/28/2021 9:21 PM
Perhaps someone can explain to me how Max's "replies" to my post have anything to do with candidates for HOA boards. Any takers (other than Max)?

I also can't comprehend why he thinks PhD economists and attorneys are necessarily "smart." Or did Max mean himself?



I abandoned a PhD program in economics when I discovered how much hand-waving and questionable assumptions economists needed to draw any conclusions. Lots of hard work for questionable results - it's called "the dismal science" for a reason. (Things may have changed by now. At the time chaos and complexity theory were just starting to present new options for getting a handle on multi-variable systems with *many* interacting feedback loops - only one or two universities in the country were doing any real economics research with them. And now AI and expert systems have real possibilities. Anyway, for HOAs, finance or accounting are more useful fields.)

FWIW, the most disruptive folks in my community have been academics - they do things that would get them escorted from the building in the business world and are offended that anyone thinks they can tell them what to do. It's a stereotype, though - I've known plenty of academics who are nothing like that.

Back on topic:

What has worked best for candidates in my community was having a well thought out platform that could be summarized in a few bullet points, and communicating this platform in multiple ways. Candidates emphasized what they could do for the community. A hot-button issue is a guaranteed attention-getter, but those don't often appear.

Focusing on others' failures didn't work well - nor did name calling or stirring the pot, most people can see through that kind of behavior. The only exception to that would be if there is a well-documented problem with one of the other candidates that would call into question their ability to do the job (we had an example within the last year or so where a candidate had done time for white collar crime - financial shenanigans, I think). That would be relevant.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/29/2021 9:04 AM  
In our open meeting state, candidates who never attend board meetings do not get my vote. I lean towards candidate who serve or have served on committees.

For new candidates (not exhaustive)
I like to see that they really are passionate about their community.
They want to work with a team--the board-- to keep it strong and to improve it.
They present at least one idea they'd like to see initiated.


Up for reelection:
Accomplishments with the Board
Tackle a controversial issue. Don't pretend it doesn't exist.
Show that their initiative helped improve the community.
AugustinD


Posts:1695


08/29/2021 9:35 AM  
Posted By CathyA3 on 08/29/2021 5:26 AM
I abandoned a PhD program in economics when I discovered how much hand-waving and questionable assumptions economists needed to draw any conclusions. Lots of hard work for questionable results - it's called "the dismal science" for a reason. (Things may have changed by now.
I say: Not a doggone chance. For example, as the Fed lowered interest rates based on xyz theory of econ, it ignored the reality that lowering interest rates is a short term solution to a long term problem. Namely econ cannot address the Tragedy of the Commons that has yielded (1) climate change and (2) the failure to get meaningful relief from a perfectly innocent, less than 0.00002 inch [= less than 2 x 10^(-5) inch] virus.

Worse, there's a practical limit to how low interest rates can go so as to boost the economy through more lending and so borrowing and borrowing some more.

Thanks for the short term fix economists. But you know darn well it's all smoke and mirrors in the face of these problems. You ain't seen nothing yet. Go buy gold, why dontcha?
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/29/2021 9:51 AM  
Back to the OP's question.

I forgot to add that I'd never vote for an owner who doesn't live on the premises. We've had two such directors, and one lived an hour away, was a fairly new owner, and knew nothing about our premises, reserves or even operating budget items. He served for one year and then resigned when he became mayor of his small town. He was a realtor.

The second had lived in our building and then flipped to a new tower across the street. His main goal seemed to have been to be buddies with certain other directors, so he always voted with them and contributed very little. He'd been career US Army and then taught community college math for several years. He could have been good on our Finance Committee, but was a complete dud & cipher. He kept trying to break into the Board at his new high rise, but never succeeded so clung to us. He was defeated for reelection with the previously-mentioned incumbents.

I would never support co-owners serving simultaneously. Our Election Rules forbid it, but it's permitted in many HOAs. I can see it temporarily if a must to have a Board quorum.



JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:11539


08/29/2021 10:44 AM  
Funny story. In one HOA we had a fellow stand for election by nominating himself, which was allowed. Our PM was Election Commissioner which meant he verified each nominee was in good standing. The MC finally told the BOD that he could not find any information on the person at all. Turns out he was not an owner. He was under contract for a home and the seller invited him to the Annual Meeting. He said he got caught up in things and wanted to become helpful..........LOL.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/29/2021 11:57 AM  
Good story, JohnC.

Here's another consideration about for whom to vote: Really new owners. Our Election Rules now limits candidates to those who've owned here a year or longer.

Ironically, such a person applied to be candidate this year and we had to turn him down as he'd only owned for 10 months on the relevant date. BUT, he'd served on other HOA boards, joined a committee the minute he moved in, attends all board meetings and is an architect. (His wife was very happy that he couldn't be elected this time.) A couple of directors have persuaded him to serve on another very important committee at the moment, where he'll really benefit our community.

He's in contrast to a very young owner who approached me at our summer Luau two weeks ago. She's owned here less than a year and just LOVES it, and LOVESh our board and really wantsh to help. And says I'm "adorable." And by the way, she's a realtor. Yep, she'd enjoyed too many of our mai tais. At that time I was very glad we now have that restriction.
AugustinD


Posts:1695


08/29/2021 1:26 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/29/2021 11:57 AM
Our Election Rules now limits candidates to those who've owned here a year or longer.
I see that California's CID/COA/HOA act expressly allows this. But in other states, I wonder if courts would refuse to allow this.

Back to PhDs: My anecdotal study finds that the PhDs best suited to serving on boards are in sociology or psychology. Not attorneys. Not engineers. Not carpenter/contractor types. Not realtors. But head shrinkers and pedigreed students of the mind.
CathyA3
(Ohio)

Posts:2475


08/29/2021 2:01 PM  
Posted By AugustinD on 08/29/2021 1:26 PM
... snip ...

Back to PhDs: My anecdotal study finds that the PhDs best suited to serving on boards are in sociology or psychology. Not attorneys. Not engineers. Not carpenter/contractor types. Not realtors. But head shrinkers and pedigreed students of the mind.



Wouldn't surprise me. Part of being an effective board member boils down to working and playing nicely with others - all the skills in the world won't help if you antagonize everyone.

Reminds me of something a colleague once said when I expressed surprise that he'd let go one of his employees who was a technical wiz but didn't get along with co-workers. He said that he wasn't willing to pay the price he had to pay to get those skills - there were plenty of others who had the same skills but without the baggage.
MaxB4


Posts:1395


08/29/2021 2:08 PM  
So, go along to get along?
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:17785


08/29/2021 2:15 PM  
Posted By HenryS6 on 08/28/2021 8:42 AM

So, if you have more people wanting to be on the board than spots open, how do homeowners know who to vote for?




Returning to the initial topic:

I personally think that most members simply vote for who they know.
I don't think they actually consider strengths and weaknesses of candidates.

If members do consider strengths and weaknesses, our board allows each candidate to speak at the annual meeting prior to the election.

I've seen other associations include a bio in their newsletter or annual meeting notice.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/29/2021 2:44 PM  
We haven't had any psychologists on our Board, but I've known a few in a different context. I think that it's harder for them to see the "big picture," and often there's an emphasis on "motivation," concern about why the individual behaves the way they do. I've seen this, too, among the couple of attorneys who served, and who were also really negative forces here. Sam with the couple of realtors who've served. It seems in US society, everyone's a shrink.

I dunno, the one best previous prez and our current treasurer have a master of Public Administration and they both can see the big picture really well.
AugustinD


Posts:1695


08/29/2021 2:55 PM  
Posted By MaxB4 on 08/29/2021 2:08 PM
So, go along to get along?
-- It worked for two-time Survivor winner Sandra Diaz-Twine.

-- This did not work for condo president and retired psychotherapist Charlotte Ryan. Instead from 2010 to 2015 Ryan was key to restoring a Florida condo building literally collapsing by getting the board to impose enormous special assessments and in many cases, evicting those who would not pay. Oh and this: “People ask me, ‘How did you do it?’” she says. “The greater the crisis, the more calm I became. I hope and pray for all of Sarasota that this doesn’t happen in another building, but I’m not so sure it won’t. There are tough business decisions that have to be made by condominium boards. Condo boards have huge responsibilities, much, much more than people realize.

More at https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower
MaxB4


Posts:1395


08/29/2021 3:11 PM  
Posted By AugustinD on 08/29/2021 2:55 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 08/29/2021 2:08 PM
So, go along to get along?
-- It worked for two-time Survivor winner Sandra Diaz-Twine.

-- This did not work for condo president and retired psychotherapist Charlotte Ryan. Instead from 2010 to 2015 Ryan was key to restoring a Florida condo building literally collapsing by getting the board to impose enormous special assessments and in many cases, evicting those who would not pay. Oh and this: “People ask me, ‘How did you do it?’” she says. “The greater the crisis, the more calm I became. I hope and pray for all of Sarasota that this doesn’t happen in another building, but I’m not so sure it won’t. There are tough business decisions that have to be made by condominium boards. Condo boards have huge responsibilities, much, much more than people realize.

More at https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower



So we are now comparing a reality TV show to a HOA Board?
AugustinD


Posts:1695


08/29/2021 3:49 PM  
Posted By MaxB4 on 08/29/2021 3:11 PM
So we are now comparing a reality TV show to a HOA Board?
Many directors are grateful when it's only Survivor and not the Hunger Games.
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:11539


08/29/2021 3:51 PM  
Not all inclusive but the PIA's I served with on BOD's were school teachers and lawyers. School teachers were afraid to make decisions and wanted to treat owners like children. Lawyers were afraid to make decisions and were often confused about what docs meant. Realtors were good as long as they did not try to play lawyer which many do.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


08/29/2021 5:19 PM  
Sorry, I think I'm the one who slid into professions. Can anyone think of other traits or attributes for board presidents?


Does it matter for instance if the president is on a 3 - person board of a self-managed HOA, which probably has few amenities? Versus a different type with full PM contract, but little complexity? Versus anything in in the middle like being part of a management portfolio.
MaxB4


Posts:1395


08/29/2021 5:50 PM  
Can't think of a thing
CarissaM


Posts:0


08/29/2021 5:51 PM  
What’s a competitive election?? LOL we are lucky to have enough volunteer as tribute.
JohnT38
(South Carolina)

Posts:768


08/29/2021 5:53 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/29/2021 5:19 PM
Sorry, I think I'm the one who slid into professions. Can anyone think of other traits or attributes for board presidents?


Does it matter for instance if the president is on a 3 - person board of a self-managed HOA, which probably has few amenities? Versus a different type with full PM contract, but little complexity? Versus anything in in the middle like being part of a management portfolio.




I'm speaking strictly from my own experience of being thrusted into the role of president for 3 years. These are some of the skills that I found helpful. Our board consists of 7 people and I was taking over in bad times. Depleted reserve funds, failing infrastructure and a culture of never raising fees to keep the people happy. I didn't have a clue what I was doing but the first thing I decided is that I had to find a way to get people to understand what was happening and make them see that our problems were going to end up costing them dearly and that they better wake up. I went into this fully prepared to be ousted but I was not going to cave into the mob mentality.

1.) Must be willing to digest and understand the governing documents as well as have a good working knowledge of the applicable state statutes. If the board is inadequately trained it is up to you to find a way to teach them and make them understand why they must be followed. Follow the docs even when you don't like it. Otherwise change them through the proper methods. (We did this with our 40 year old docs a couple of months ago. It's not easy!)

2.) Must have excellent people skills and be able to moderate conflicts among board members and with owners. I believe the president should set the tone of the board. Examples: Honesty, respect and understanding that we are spending our neighbors money and they have the absolute right to question how their money is being spent.

3.) Must be a very good communicator with the owners and other board members. I've tried to do this through Town Hall meetings, a monthly contribution to the newsletter where I educated them on various HOA topics such as reserve funds, selective enforcement issues, the importance of scheduled maintenance, ramifications of outdated governing documents, etc. I made myself available to individuals for conversation on anything that they wanted to discuss.

4.) Must develop a reputation of trust. Total transparency and in cases where you don't have the answer you admit this and then promise to get back to them when you do.

5.) Keep your word.

5.) Must be prepared to never back down when you have the facts to back up your position and you believe you're right.

I am proud of the results that myself and the other board members were able to pull off. The reserve funds are up to 70%, the infrastructure has been greatly improved, new governing documents and budgets that are realistic and based on actual numbers. I ended my term in July because I will be moving but I'm glad I had the experience. It can be frustrating as hell but it can also be very rewarding.
SheliaH
(Indiana)

Posts:4239


08/29/2021 6:47 PM  
Adding on to John's comments, I've tried to apply the Paradoxical Commandments in all areas of my life - and some of these are really true when considering what you deal with as an HOA board member:

People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered.
Love them anyway.

If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives.
Do good anyway.

If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies.
Succeed anyway.

The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow.
Do good anyway.

Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable.
Be honest and frank anyway.

The biggest men and women with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men and women with the smallest minds.
Think big anyway.

People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs.
Fight for a few underdogs anyway.

What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight.
Build anyway.

People really need help but may attack you if you do help them.
Help people anyway.

Give the world the best you have and you’ll get kicked in the teeth.
Give the world the best you have anyway.


Some of you may have seen these attributed to Mother Theresa, but they were actually written by Kent M. Keith in 1968 as part of a booklet for student leaders. Mother Theresa did post them on the wall on her children's home, so that's probably where the confusion originated.

And when Robert Griffin III left the Washington football team, he posted them on his locker, adding this to the end:

In the end, it's between you and God
It was never about you and them anyway
LoriM15
(Florida)

Posts:36


08/30/2021 8:50 AM  
Posted By HenryS6 on 08/28/2021 8:42 AM
For those boards who have competitive elections, how do homeowners know who to vote for? We work as a board and present our work as a board as a unified front to the homeowners, so no non-board homeowner would have the foggiest idea of who volunteers the most, who contributes the least, who is obnoxious, who helps be the velcro to keep the board together, etc. It wouldn't be appropriate for me (as president) to share this information to others.

So, if you have more people wanting to be on the board than spots open, how do homeowners know who to vote for?





We have each candidate fill out a form with their qualifications. We also hold a "meet the candidates" night and ask all the candidates questions that have been sent in advance or from the floor.

Sometimes, strategically placed questions can really show a candidate's true colors. You will quickly see which candidates are the ones with a short agenda that only benefits them or their friends. Candidates that don't do research about the community but just have opinions with no basis in fact. And there is always the candidate who doesn't give a damn about anything else except reducing the monthly fees.

It's crazy to vote for someone who has never even bothered to come to a meeting (we have open monthly meetings).

In the end, most people don't bother to do any research and end up voting for someone they know, or voting against someone they know and dislike.

ND
(PA)

Posts:634


08/31/2021 1:35 PM  
Posted By HenryS6 on 08/28/2021 8:42 AM
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So, if you have more people wanting to be on the board than spots open, how do homeowners know who to vote for?



To add to what a few others have said . . . I find that people base their decision on who to vote for on several different factors based on their individual motives, values, beliefs, etc.:
- they vote for candidates that they like and/or agree with (for whatever reason)
- they vote against candidates that the dislike and/or disagree with (for whatever reason)
- they review to whatever extent necessary any distributed candidate info and make a decision that will most benefit themselves
- they review to whatever extent necessary any distributed candidate info and make a decision that will most benefit the HOA
- they blindly vote for names on the ballot for no particular reason
- they intentionally do not vote as some sort of objection to the voting process and/or candidates being considered for election
- they do not vote because they lack interest, are uninformed, and/or unaware

If your question has additional context (for example "how do I get people to vote for me?"), then I might offer suggestions on how to achieve that given my thoughts above on how do homeowners know who to vote for. But I'll stop with this for now.
BarbaraT1
(Texas)

Posts:571


09/01/2021 12:22 PM  
Posted By HenryS6 on 08/28/2021 8:42 AM
For those boards who have competitive elections, how do homeowners know who to vote for? We work as a board and present our work as a board as a unified front to the homeowners, so no non-board homeowner would have the foggiest idea of who volunteers the most, who contributes the least, who is obnoxious, who helps be the velcro to keep the board together, etc. It wouldn't be appropriate for me (as president) to share this information to others.

So, if you have more people wanting to be on the board than spots open, how do homeowners know who to vote for?




Owners get to decide that for themselves.

Some may ask the candidates detailed questions and vote based on the answers.

Some may choose their friends or close neighbors.

Some may be swayed by reputations, gossip, what's posted on neighborhood social media.

Some may pick a name that seems familiar.

Some may choose based on gender or ethnicity. Who is in (or not in) their own group.

Whether these are good or bad reasons - not our call.

There's a common saying in HOA management, that it's like poker. You don't get to pick the hand you are dealt, you just have to make the best of it.



KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


09/01/2021 1:06 PM  
We had our monthly open board meeting last night and it reminded me that some vote for those who seek reelection based on their behavior AS directors. At open meeting, Owners can SEE who's prepared for the meeting, who contributes appropriately to board discussion and debate; how shows initiative; who is a positive force; how is respectful and civil to Ones; their board colleagues and the PM (if there).

They also can see who is rude and dismissive; who clearly has not read the materials they were provided in advance of the meeting; who has no ideas nor creativity; who has little knowledge of their HOA and its governing documents.

So...I honk Board should offer open meetings and board presidents especially should encourage them, especially if thy'd like some of their deadwood to get voted out at the next election. This can be effective if the Board meetings have good attendance.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:8620


09/01/2021 5:08 PM  
Good gawd--My typos. I'm sorry. I now just want tomato it clear that Owners watching directors at open board meetings can form pretty accurate opinions about how they help govern an HOA. AND, they speak with their pals who do not attend.
MaxB4


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09/01/2021 6:08 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 09/01/2021 5:08 PM
Good gawd--My typos. I'm sorry. I now just want tomato it clear that Owners watching directors at open board meetings can form pretty accurate opinions about how they help govern an HOA. AND, they speak with their pals who do not attend.



Not to burst your bubble, but at one of our open meetings back before we eliminated quorum, a great showing was 5 people out of 317 homes. At election time, our quorum was 159 ballots, so I may have got helped by 2 homes.

Prior to running for the Board, I got a CMCA certification from CAI. Found out later, some management companies and attorneys don't like that.
KerryL1
(California)

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09/01/2021 6:35 PM  
What "bubble?" Your reply about for whom Owners might vote I-- the subject here.

We have 30-35 owners attend our open board meetings every month and lately, we've had two open meetings a month both with good attendance at a hybrid Zoom & in-person meeting for two months now. (200+ units, 25% landlords, 11% part-time owner-occupants)

When three incumbents were defeated two years ago, I was reelected after a gap year and had observed these three at monthly meetings. One did nothing except second motions and read his mail. Another, an attorney, was rude to certain other directors and to owners during open forum. The third pontificated like the old windbag retired U. Prof that he was and acted as if no one else understood our finances. Now, I do think they lost reelection for other reasons too. But their conduct at our open meetings did NOT help them.
MaxB4


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09/01/2021 6:43 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 09/01/2021 6:35 PM
What "bubble?" Your reply about for whom Owners might vote I-- the subject here.

We have 30-35 owners attend our open board meetings every month and lately, we've had two open meetings a month both with good attendance at a hybrid Zoom & in-person meeting for two months now. (200+ units, 25% landlords, 11% part-time owner-occupants)

When three incumbents were defeated two years ago, I was reelected after a gap year and had observed these three at monthly meetings. One did nothing except second motions and read his mail. Another, an attorney, was rude to certain other directors and to owners during open forum. The third pontificated like the old windbag retired U. Prof that he was and acted as if no one else understood our finances. Now, I do think they lost reelection for other reasons too. But their conduct at our open meetings did NOT help them.



And if no one shows up to board meetings, and you are a candidate. What do you do?
KerryL1
(California)

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09/01/2021 7:50 PM  
Your question, Max, has nothing to do with the subject. What is your point?

At the most basic level if no one attends open board meetings in states where they're permitted, candidates would campaign the old fashioned-way. Letters, flyers at doors. In CA, they may used the common area lounges, clubhouses, etc., free of charge and invite folks, etc/. etc.
MaxB4


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09/01/2021 7:54 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 09/01/2021 7:50 PM
Your question, Max, has nothing to do with the subject. What is your point?

At the most basic level if no one attends open board meetings in states where they're permitted, candidates would campaign the old fashioned-way. Letters, flyers at doors. In CA, they may used the common area lounges, clubhouses, etc., free of charge and invite folks, etc/. etc.



Did one of your owners called you "adorable"? More like snarky!
KerryL1
(California)

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09/02/2021 8:16 AM  
Google "non sequitur," Max.
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