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HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Our street lights are about 16 years old and rented from the utility company. The paint is faded, some are damaged, some are not working. I went on a walk to photograph the street lights throughout the community over the weekend, and one homeowner came busting out of his house fit to be tied that I was taking pictures in the neighborhood. I was using a fancy SLR camera so I assume he thought I was either casing the street or a peeping tom trying to take pictures in bedroom windows. (It was 4:30 on an afternoon in the middle of the workweek and all of my pictures while I was standing on the sidewalk).

I sort of calmed him down, but he still seemed annoyed as he walked away.

Curious if I am creating a liability for the HOA. I take lots of pictures in the neighborhood as part of my HOA duties. Kids will often make comments (that adults are surely thinking) about why I am taking a picture of this or that...none of the photography that I do really makes sense to the average apathetic homeowner but all are based on what we need to do to maintain our property.

Wondering if I am creating any liability for our association? Is there anything that I should do (such as a community wide announcement) so homeowners are aware of what I am doing and why?

Honestly, I think they need to deal with it. I'm on a public street after all and we have no expectation of privacy when on a public street.

Most interested in legal aspects to this question.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
As you said, there's no expectation of privacy when you're taking photos from the sidewalk street (how do people think Google Maps gets photos of a house or a building???).

As long as you stay on the common area and aren't doing things like trying to photograph the inside of the house, you should be ok. That said, It may help to give the homeowners a heads up that from time to time it may be necessary to take photographs of an area for association business, such as insurance or to document CCR violations. If you can see it from the street, snap away.

And since we aren't attorneys, legal questions are best left to your association attorney because the law can vary in different states. You can also run this by your association master insurance.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Oh, you can also Google "taking photos in public places" and " taking photos in a HOA" and get some tips on doing this respectfully and in a responsible manner. Remember, if someone tries to scream you're invading his/her privacy, he/she will have to prove it. Just because he/she says it doesn't make it so.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Thanks Shelia.

I'm going to add this as an agenda item at our next Board meeting. While I believe that I need to take photographs, we as a Board need to support doing so. In addition to taking photographs, I find myself in unusual places in the neighborhood which makes people uncomfortable. (For example, we own greenbelts that face some homeowner backyards, I have to go walk these greenbelts from time to time for association business). It's not practical to notify people each and every time we do something unusual, but I try to be respectful in conducting business.

I think it's be really good for us to send an e-mail out to all homeowners letting them know that we have responsibilities and requirements to meet in conducting association business and that homeowners may see us out taking photographs and walking on the HOA-owned greenbelts as part of our Board responsibilities.

We'll discuss that as a Board, and if there is consensus, then send out the communication to all homeowners.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
There will always be a small minority of people who do not like people taking pictures. This is their problem and I would not worry about it. If you are in a public place, you can photograph anything you can see. Proper etiquette dictates that you get permission before taking pics of people but no one should have a problem with someone taking pictures of general areas around the neighborhood.

I would not waste the board's time bringing this up at a meeting. To me, it is no different than walking down the street. You have every right to do it and I would not seek anyone's permission.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
An owner would have a difficult time building any sort of substantial case against you.

Taking photos is a public place is perfectly legal, and yes, the expectation of privacy is much different in a public area. The owner may be annoyed, but you are doing your job and aren't breaking any rules or laws.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
I think every manager has been stopped by a police officer at one time or another for being a suspicious person. Usually it's in the car, because we are driving slow and sometimes go up and down the same street multiple times. I always have business cards handy just in case.

I send out routine emails with community news and will periodically drop a reminder about neighborhood safety and keeping an eye out for each other that includes things like solicitors need to have a permit, what vendors are commonly on the property, and reminder, here's what I look like, here's what my car looks like, don't panic if you see me out and about. I do it in a lighthearted way.

Granted, I'm a woman, and people are less suspicious of women roaming about in public.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree that this should not take up directors' time in a meeting. As president, I think, on you own, you can send out the type of notice that others have suggested.

Does your HOA have a newsletter?
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Thanks all.

I won't worry the Board about this. It's just part of my job and I take pride how I do my job, so I do it well.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 950
Posted:
Re the homeowner confronting you about taking pictures: I’d give him credit for at least being aware of what’s going on; in my neighborhood an unfortunate number of people simply don’t pay attention.

I’ve had reason to look into photography law from time to time. In general, I’m the USA, you can take photos of almost anything that is outside and ā€œpublicā€. If you try taking pictures of the insides of people’s houses, or up women’s skirts, etc, that’s when you can expect the police to come. Texas, for instance, has laws against certain kinds of ā€œinvasive recordingā€.

Note that there is a difference between *taking* a photograph and *publishing* a photograph . A photographer owns the photograph they took - but publishing or distributing a photo of a private person’s likeness can leave you open to lawsuit. A published / distributed photo of a private person or their property that includes a negative comment could leave you open to a libel suit: ā€œ1313 Mockingbird Lane: home to monsters, ghouls, vampires, and Republicansā€ could get you into trouble, maybe.

I believe that the general definition of ā€œpublicationā€ is to make it available to the general public. Contrawise, I do not believe that limited sharing of a photo within a small group (ie, sharing pictures of a damaged property with other Board members via email) is considered ā€œpublicationā€. I’d probably put ā€œBOD use only; do not redistributeā€ on it, just in case.

It’s often said, and it’s true, that you can get sued for anything. But I’m unaware of any successful lawsuit over the taking of an otherwise legal photograph. For instance, if I see a suspicious person or vehicle in my neighborhood, I’ll take a few pictures. If I don’t hear about a burglary or other crime in the vicinity, I’ll delete the photos. I do not believe there is anything actionable about this.

Practically speaking, publishing a photo of a person or their property to social media might get you into trouble - if you just *gotta* do it, spending a few minutes to ā€œanonymizeā€ the image with Photoshop might be worthwhile.

I’m not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, etc.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Sometimes I think one valid purpose of this forum is to "buck up" suffering directors.

Don't let the bustards get you down. In this case, this would be the ignoramus (in a few ways) giving you grief for doing perfectly lawful things that pertain to the betterment of the HOA.

Is this volunteer gig bringing unhappiness you? I am not saying resign (unless you want to). I am saying that, if you have not already, start trying to recognize the unhappiness and what it is doing to you. Not addressing this can result in resentment that may at times percolate up from the mighty sub-strait of our minds into words that we wish we had not said. Being stressed much of the time is said to re-tool the neural networks in a bad way and can cause longer lasting cognitive problems.

ā€œWe are trying to give the world positive ways of dealing with their feelings."

-- Fred Rogers, Presbyterian Minister. Sui generis television host.

HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 02/15/2022 10:20 AM

Is this volunteer gig bringing unhappiness you?


No. I enjoy it immensely and it brings no unhappiness or stress.

I also enjoy posting questions here. I get some really good feedback and interesting tidbits that I wouldn't get otherwise. For example, I didn't know that many property managers are used to having the police called upon them. From that comment, I realized I should be less sensitive about what I am doing. If someone calls the police, I simply explain what I'm doing. I never knew that before.

I will turn your comment back around and say that if reading my posts or responding to them is causing unhappiness, please remember that every mouse comes with a scrolling wheel, and it costs nothing to use that wheel.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Take all the pictures from common areas you want, you honestly don't owe anyone an apology or an explanation. As a security patrol officer I am constantly confronted by hostile individuals because
I take pictures that are time and date stamped of my patrol route to prove I was there. And I purposely take pictures that do not include people in them, go figure.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Henry

The person over reacted. You explained why you are taking photos. End of story. Drop it.

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