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CheyenneS
(California)

Posts:6


12/10/2019 6:49 PM  
Hi all,
I live in Los Angeles. The HOA's presidents son just got an electric car. They also had an electric outlet installed in the garage. A regular one that you use to say plug in your phone and not an electric car charging station. Is that okay? Can they do that? Can they also use hoa electric? I mean I know its probably only like 50 bucks a month to charge a car but why should my hoa fees go to his sons car charging? I just feel like it's a little unfair to everyone else. I also am wondering if they can use just a regular outlet or do they need an EV charging station.
Thanks in advance.
JohnT38
(South Carolina)

Posts:179


12/10/2019 7:02 PM  
A quick Google search will show the cost is minimal.Let it go. Who's next, the guy that works from home and uses more electricity because of the hours he works and the office equipment he uses? If your HOA stipulates that this cost is shared equally than that's what you agreed to when you moved in. As a wise man once said, "Pick your fights carefully".
CheyenneS
(California)

Posts:6


12/10/2019 7:07 PM  
We all pay our own electricity in our units. Like I said I know the cost in very little. We are a small hoa and all the money counts. I mean our grass has been dead for a year but they are willing to pay money for an electrical outlet and charging his car? It just seems mean to me.
CheyenneS
(California)

Posts:6


12/10/2019 7:09 PM  
The garages electricity is paid by hoa. Just like our laundry room and we have to pay extra for that(just the units that dont have laundry In their units) because it uses hoa electricity. just seems they are playing favorites.
GeorgeS21
(Florida)

Posts:1877


12/10/2019 7:38 PM  
Yes, it is an issue.
SamE2
(New Jersey)

Posts:216


12/11/2019 4:16 AM  
I think the user should pay to have the outlet installed and pay a monthly surcharge for the use.
GeorgeS21
(Florida)

Posts:1877


12/11/2019 5:07 AM  
Perfect, Sam.

Further, if others want to use the outlet, then a system must be devised so those benefiting from the power can pay.

A broader, fair example would be: Association approves of charging station/outlet for the broad benefit (think playground or other shared common capital), develops process for sharing and expense assignment for the power, etc.

Installing an outlet for the use of one person, regardless of that person, is theft.
LetA
(Nevada)

Posts:858


12/11/2019 5:31 AM  
Posted By CheyenneS on 12/10/2019 6:49 PM
Hi all,
I live in Los Angeles. The HOA's presidents son just got an electric car. They also had an electric outlet installed in the garage. A regular one that you use to say plug in your phone and not an electric car charging station. Is that okay? Can they do that? Can they also use hoa electric? I mean I know its probably only like 50 bucks a month to charge a car but why should my hoa fees go to his sons car charging? I just feel like it's a little unfair to everyone else. I also am wondering if they can use just a regular outlet or do they need an EV charging station.
Thanks in advance.






Your post is vague. is this in single family homes or is the a condo? If this is a SFH, MYOB; If this is a condo, then HECK YES this is an issue. Was the electric outlet installed at his/her parking space? Are parking spaces assigned or first come?

Being California, I'm sure the Davis Sterling website has some guidance. Perhaps you can file a complaint with your local ombudsman if your complaint to the HOA falls silent.. I would not like my assessments going to pay for the privilege of one person only.
CheyenneS
(California)

Posts:6


12/11/2019 8:40 AM  
I'm sorry we are a 15 unit condo, parking spaces are assigned. the outlet was installed in between his and a neighbors parking space. Davis sterling act only gives guidance on electric vehicle charging station. This is just an outlet? So I'm confused on what I should do? I've emailed our board in the past and they either dont respond or respond with a bunch of codes that I dont understand and then at the end of their email say "this is not an invitation to respond"
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:9053


12/11/2019 8:44 AM  
Posted By SamE2 on 12/11/2019 4:16 AM
I think the user should pay to have the outlet installed and pay a monthly surcharge for the use.




I agree.
SteveM9
(Massachusetts)

Posts:3516


12/11/2019 5:00 PM  
Posted By CheyenneS on 12/10/2019 6:49 PM
Hi all,
They also had an electric outlet installed in the garage. .......Is that okay? Can they do that?


It is absolutely not "ok". An electric sub meter should have been installed when they installed the outlet. They can be found for $160 to $1000 depending on how complicated you get. Some will bill the person automatically, and others will require the HOA to read the meter once a month or quarter and bill the person directly.

It no different than stealing gas from the HOA that they bought to run vehicles or machinery.

If they give you a hard time, ask them for a HOA debit card so you can fill your car up with gas at no charge.
SteveM9
(Massachusetts)

Posts:3516


12/11/2019 5:50 PM  
Another thing to think about long term is how to deal with the popularity of electric cars. More and more people will get them each year.

Does your garage have the electrical capacity to handle this?
Picking the right sub meter system to monitor and bill each user?
Etc.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6817


12/11/2019 6:34 PM  
Say, Cheyenne, you need to bring this up at an open board meeting so the board can discuss this. As other have pointed out, of course, the Owner/president must pay for the installation and for the electric use. How do you know he has not paid? Ask him at the required open forum at the board meeting if he paid. How often are your board meetings? How many are on the Board?


In addition, didn't he get ARC approval to install the outlet? What do you documents say about installing electricity or anything in the common areas? Most HOAs forbid such installation or applicants must go through an achitectural committee. In your small HOA, Cheyanne, the Board might be the ARC. In that case, the prez, should recuse himself form voting on this matter as there's a conflict of interest.

This will be in architectural guidelines or even in your CC&Rs.

The trouble is with a wall HOA and probably a very small board, how can Cheyanne get the Board to vote to do what is required by law? And how does she get the prez to pay for joule if, in fact, he is not?

All: visit davis-stirling.com, Main Index for tons of info about EV charging stations, sample ARC requirements, state requirements, etc. There is no need to speculate about or invent what's needed--it's all available online.
CheyenneS
(California)

Posts:6


12/13/2019 3:03 PM  
Well when I asked about it just in passing he said well we had to run electricity for the sump-pump and we just needed an outlet there too. So I'm assuming he has the hoa pay for it and is going to claim it needed to be done because of the sump-pump. Convenient. Our hoa president is a lawyer and people just believe him because he is highly educated. But they do a lot of things wrong. Seems that I'm the only one in the building who cares. They have a meeting on the 15th. So I'll ask again on the 15th.
SteveM9
(Massachusetts)

Posts:3516


12/13/2019 5:01 PM  
At 120v a tesla charger takes 1400 watts continuously for 10 hours. Its real money.
SteveM9
(Massachusetts)

Posts:3516


12/13/2019 5:17 PM  
... and its theft.
CheyenneS
(California)

Posts:6


12/13/2019 5:32 PM  
I feel the same way. I just hope others in the building see it and feel the same way. Hopefully all the owners can come out on top and get our HOA fixed. So it's fair.
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