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KevinG4 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi,
We have a board of 3 members in a 15 unit HOA. Two of the board members have a conflict of Interest with an issue that is being put to vote. So if the board members recuse themselves from voting and we need a supermajority(75%) to pass the amendment which would mean 12 votes, can the supermajority be reduced to 10 in this case as the Board members with conflict have opted out from voting. How can the HOA achieve its supermajority in this situation? Any help/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Your 3 board members are still owners/members. What it means is that instead of the board making the decision, it will be a majority of the homeowners/members. Which you all have a total of 15 of them. The 2 members on the board can still cast a vote as members but not as a board. The board is to do what the majority wants. So if a majority of your members vote one way, the board has to respect that and go with it.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ask yourself if other owners should be excluded from owners voting if they had a financial interest in the project?

Does me owning GE stock preclude me voting on the association buying new GE appliances for the clubhouse?

I understand conflict of interest on the BOD voting on things but you are asking about BOD members that are also owners. To me that is the difference.

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Kevin,

Your question is very confusing. You mention that 2 of 3 board members have some sort of conflict-of-interest on an issue, suggesting that you are talking about business that would be conducted by the board. But then you tie this into an "amendment," which I assume is an amendment to your declaration and not board business.

Usually, conflict-of-interest statutes apply only to board members and only while conducting board business. Exactly what a board member must do in that situation will be specified in state law. In my state, for example, a director is required only to state that he has a conflict-of-interest and then he is allowed to vote.

You seem to be suggesting that board members who have a conflict-of-interest on an issue should lose their rights as owners to approve or disapprove amendments to the declaration. I am not aware of any law on the subject that would support that. If the amendment called for installing GE appliances in all units I am unaware of any laws that prevent owners who are also stockholders or employees of GE from taking part in the approval process. If your declaration does not exclude owners with a conflict-of-interest from participating in amendments and state law makes no such exclusion, there is no basis for doing so.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
No, John. But to your point, voting to force the HOA to purchase GE appliances from your family's appliance store would be the conflict of interest.

At any rate, knowing the conflict-of-interest is half the battle.

My opinion is if the two board members recuse themselves, they have participated in the vote, lowering the super majority threshold needed.
KevinG4 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi Melissa,
That's exactly what we are trying to deal with.

To clarify what some others have pointed out:

The Board members ofcourse have a right to vote as any homeowner. The issue arises when : a Board member wishes to stay on the board and is expected to perform their fiduciary duty while voting on an amendment change that is a direct conflict of interest to that member.

Eg: ban on smoking in common areas and one of the Board members is a smoker (This is just an example)

The answer we are looking for is correctly addressed by Kelly below. Thank you! I guess we may just need to validate this with a lawyer to make sure we can lower the threshold

"My opinion is if the two board members recuse themselves, they have participated in the vote, lowering the super majority threshold needed"

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Do your documents ALLOW you to lower the number of votes needed under any circumstance? If not, then you need to pass an amendment allowing such.

They're 2 out of 15 when it comes to passing an amendment. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to vote on behalf of their units in an election for the general population.

If it were the case of a bid for work that the BoD alone was voting on, it would be improper for them to vote though.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,051
Posted:
Kevin,

What is the exact language of the section that addresses amendments?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Not an attorney but in all of the documents I've seen over the years, the language to amend usually says something like 75% of all lot owners. Not 75% of all lot owners eligible to vote.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If these are ammendments there is no conflict of interest. If this is a contract for work, then there is. This is apples to oranges. The board member is still an owner and has a right as an owner to vote for against rules in a HOA they want to live under. Banning smoking in a common area is a group dexision not a board one.

Conflict of interest is if that board member owns, works for, or has family/friend connection to a contract being bid on. It is not a conflict of interest if they are a smoker and you want to ban smoking. That is an opinion decision.

Former HOA President
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
I'm stumped at what kind of conflict of interest could possibly exist when voting on an amendment.

Board voting on contracts? Sure
Amendment to the docs? Almost impossible

I'd love an example.
KevinG4 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Sorry I am going to have to disagree on that. All Board members have a fiduciary duty to the HOA. This means the board member needs to act in the best interest of the HOA, and to do so in good faith. They must put the HOA's interests above their personal interests. This can apply to a contract work or an amendment

Your point is valid if they decide to step down from the Board and vote on an issue as a regular homeowner. But as a Board member one can't be representing the HOA's best interest if the amendment creates a direct conflict of interest for that member. There are many lawyer forums/blogs that address this, that's why my original question was just related to how the supermajority % is affected should board members recuse themselves from voting.
It is also addressed by the David Stirling Act.
http://www.davis-stirling.com/tabid/1652/Default.aspx#axzz2e8kjeVcs

Someone had asked about an example of conflict of interest.
Another good example is: 2 out of 3 Board members are currently landlords and are renting their unit as vacation rentals. The HOA thinks this is unhealthy for the community and also unsafe and would like to make an amendment to prohibit any type of vacation rentals.

Keeping the "vacation rental" issue aside, there clearly is a conflict of interest here and the Board members will not be representing the HOA's best interest if the majority thinks this is not good for the HOA.

Our CC&Rs say 'declaration may be amended only by written assent of 75% of condominium unit owners'. So basically what we are trying to determine is can we consider the supermajority to be 10 votes instead of 12 if the board members was asked to recuse themselves from voting should they choose to remain on the board during the amendment period?

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Not buying that example, Kevin.

Yup, you have the existing owners of rentals. But you also have the other owners who are looking at that thinking, "ya know, John & Sue seem to have it pretty good....I might want to rent MY house someday, so I see the benefits of voting against/in-favor"

That's NOT a conflict of interest. That's the voices of the owners being heard. It would be preposterous to exclude the owners of rental property from casting votes, and lowering the standards for passing an amendment such that you don't need their participation. That's precisely what should NOT happen. They paid for their property the same as anyone else, and deserve an equal vote.

A conflict of interest would be inserting an amendment that says "rubbish removal shall be contracted to Bob's trash removal service from now until eternity" when Bob is a board member.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KevinG4 on 09/06/2013 7:38 PM

Our CC&Rs say 'declaration may be amended only by written assent of 75% of condominium unit owners'. So basically what we are trying to determine is can we consider the supermajority to be 10 votes instead of 12 if the board members was asked to recuse themselves from voting should they choose to remain on the board during the amendment period?

You've answered your own question, no IMO you may not reduce it from 12 to 10 even if the two decide not to vote it still requires: 'declaration may be amended only by written assent of 75% of condominium unit owners'. Not 75% of those who decide to vote.

Plus if it is about rental restrictions, does it conform to the new CA statute about rental restrictions?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,051
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KevinG4 on 09/06/2013 7:38 PM

All Board members have a fiduciary duty to the HOA. This means the board member needs to act in the best interest of the HOA, and to do so in good faith. They must put the HOA's interests above their personal interests.

I believe that everyone would agree with this statement.
I know I do.

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Posted By KevinG4 on 09/06/2013 7:38 PM

But as a Board member one can't be representing the HOA's best interest if the amendment creates a direct conflict of interest for that member.

I disagree.
The fact that the amendment was drafted, isn't in conflict with existing laws and brought to the membership for a vote fulfills their fudiciary duty.

Typically, when discussing rental restrictions, you will always be creating a conflict of interest for one member or another. What many members fail to recgonize is that a Board member typically has three jobs within the Association:

1) Director - As a Director, they have one vote for every decision brought before the Board
2) Officer - As an Officer (Pres, VP, etc.) the same individual has certain duties to perform to ensure the day to day operations of the Association occurs.
3) Member - As a member, they have one vote per lot/unit for every decision brought before the general membership. They also have the duty to be part of the checks and balances of the Boards actions.

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Posted By KevinG4 on 09/06/2013 7:38 PM

There are many lawyer forums/blogs that address this, that's why my original question was just related to how the supermajority % is affected should board members recuse themselves from voting.

Well first of all, the example you provided with Davis-Stirling is addressing issues before the Board. In fact, that section specifically stated "No member should vote on a question in which he has a direct personal or pecuniary interest not common to other members of the organization."

Rental restrictions would be a common interest to all members (as you never know when someone will or won't want to rent their property).

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Posted By KevinG4 on 09/06/2013 7:38 PM

Keeping the "vacation rental" issue aside, there clearly is a conflict of interest here and the Board members will not be representing the HOA's best interest if the majority thinks this is not good for the HOA.

To believe that those who are renting should recuse themselves simply because they are landlords is as bad a believe as believing that the members who don't rent should recuse themselves because they have a personal interest that can be seen as a conflict of interest.

Personally, I think you have a desire to have this amendment pass and that you are trying this tactic to try and ensure it's passing. I applaud your efforts and creativity. However, I disagree with your premiss.

Quote:
Posted By KevinG4 on 09/06/2013 7:38 PM

Our CC&Rs say 'declaration may be amended only by written assent of 75% of condominium unit owners'. So basically what we are trying to determine is can we consider the supermajority to be 10 votes instead of 12 if the board members was asked to recuse themselves from voting should they choose to remain on the board during the amendment period?

The answer would be NO.

Per your citation, the document is very clear. It requires 75% of the members to approve an amendment. With 15 units and the need for 75% approval results in needing 12 lots/units to support the amendment (as you previously posted).

Since there are only 3 rentals, it appears that you have a good chance of having the amendment being adopted. I suggest that you start knocking on doors and see if you can convince everyone to vote the way you want to the vote to go.

I know that this isn't what you wanted to hear, but I hope it helps,

Tim

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kevin

As Tim Said:

Personally, I think you have a desire to have this amendment pass and that you are trying this tactic to try and ensure it's passing. I applaud your efforts and creativity. However, I disagree with your premise.

I agree with Tim.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I like add to the concept of "HOA". The board represents the majority of members on the daily business of the HOA on their behalf. However, the HOA can represent itself in taking a majority vote be it in an ammendment, board removal, or special assessments. A HOA board is NOT the HOA. It is the members of the HOA which is ALL of your neighbors and you,

A board member is also an owner and an individual member. That does not mean 2 votes. It just means their vote is to represent the majority of HOA members including themselves. If their vote is a minority and it gets voted in anyways, then you have an issue. Otherwise it is the system...

Former HOA President
KevinG4 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Everyone has their opinions and it is good to hear different viewpoints. As a Board member and keeping the HOA's best interests in mind one would like to see an amendment pass that a supermajority believes that it benefits the HOA whether it is personal or not. Amendments are vetted to make sure they are beneficial to the HOA before we spend valuable time and money with our lawyers for a secret ballot.

Conflict of Interest is a touchy subject but when the Board is given the power and authority to spend the HOA's money on a lawyer one needs to make sure it is being spent with the best interests of the HOA. One can argue either way until ofcourse they are faced with this situation in their own HOA.

Thanks for all your inputs. The answer that we were really looking for was about the supermajority count and from some inputs the difference between 75% of unit owners vs 75% of total votes provides the answer.

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