AudreyB
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| 01/27/2006 2:42 AM |
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Hi Becky,
Thank you for the up date! Sounds like the Developer found out he's in trouble.
I'm glad you got some homeonwer's to be with you through your process.
I look forward to hear more about your progress.
Keep up the good work, and it's on ward and up ward from here.
Great job!
Audrey |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/09/2006 11:15 AM |
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| Our president and her girlfriend both resigned after 8 years of ruling.....(2 votes one house)then the following meeting had themselves voted back on as "directors at large... |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/09/2006 11:15 AM |
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| Our president and her girlfriend both resigned after 8 years of ruling.....(2 votes one house)then the following meeting had themselves voted back on as "directors at large... |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/09/2006 11:17 AM |
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| hwere can I find this to show them at the next board meeting? |
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BeckyV
(Michigan)
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| 02/09/2006 1:48 PM |
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Sharon,
How did they manage to get themselves back on the board? If it wasn't by regular election, were they appointed by the remaining board members? I also don't understand how they get 2 votes in one household. Usually your bylaws will state, in the area under voting or under membership, how many votes a household has. The only time it could be more than one is if the "percentage of value" gives them more than one. I'm not sure what you want "to show them at the next board meeting".
Becky
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AudreyB
(Florida)
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| 02/10/2006 8:36 PM |
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Hi Becky,
I understand everything you've said.
Here in Florida, it is written in our state law as well as our articles of incorporation, when the developer is ready to turn over the property to the homeowner's, he picks a board w/o him on it. No matter how many homes(6) whether he lives in them or not, he has one vote, and he cannot be put on the ballot to be President. That's Florida.
If I may suggest, maybe you need to copy and paste your quote, and send it to your state Legislator's, a certified letter about your situation. I would also try to get a dozen or so homeowner's to sign your letter, with their names, and addresses attached too. The Legislator's seem to listen more with more homeowner's involved, however, if I couldn't get a dozen or so signatures, I still would rock their world and shake up the capital, and tell them, "there ought to be a law against the developer being on the ballot and become President, and owes the Association money (tell the amount he owes) for assessments." Your Legistor's like in Florida, are the ones who make the laws for your articles of incorporation, and bylaws. They need to know this is happening, and that there are other states who do not allow the developer become a member in any capacity on the board of director's. Even if he does own property, even if he does owe the Association back assessments, he picks the Board and he pays his assessments to the Association, and he can own a dozen properties, he still gets one vote. No exceptions and no excuses. Nothing ventured nothing gained. This would be a nice way to put a period after you're finished.
I look foward to hear more about how your situtation is going. You are doing a great job, just hang in there.
Take care,
Audrey
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BeckyV
(Michigan)
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| 02/11/2006 5:52 AM |
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Audrey,
I have emailed you under your email address.
Please respond if you like.
Becky |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/13/2006 8:46 PM |
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| I have no clue. They decided they would be "directors at large" and a vote was taken and the remaining board people approved their coming back on. I think the board members are so entalled by her b.s. that they are afraid to run the board without her. As I understand it, it is one vote per household but if they own two homes: 2 votes. I need to find out if they own two properties. Fact is though even though president has resigned and now is:"director at large" SHE is still running meetings with no agendas! NAD no one says anything to the contrary..our board is so poorly run and no one can see it! |
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AudreyB
(Florida)
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| 02/15/2006 2:03 AM |
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Hi Sharon,
Please find your local tax collector's web site and click on property search and type in either their names or addressess and see for yourself what property or properties they own.
Also, your state capital main operator should have a phone number or maybe even a toll free number, for homeowner's either condo or deed restricted questions regarding your situation, and if you own more than one home do you get a second or thrid vote? Keep in mind some condo laws also apply to single home associations.
I believe, you should continue to ask questions.
I wish you luck.
Take Care,
Audrey |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/17/2006 7:11 PM |
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| question: we have a similar siytuation: residential not condo. A couple owns two houses in the areas. They both are on the board. I have objected to the two getting two voted at board meetings. I asked them to disclose how many properties they own in the project and was told: none of my business. |
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RogerB
(Colorado)
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| 02/17/2006 8:09 PM |
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SharonD, usually there is one vote per lot, if so they have two votes if they own two properties. Did the owners elect both to the Board? If so, was this discussed at the time? IMHO it is too late to object after they are elected. If you want to know how many properties they own check the property ownership records in your county.
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/18/2006 1:28 PM |
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I am responding to your email to me as I do not know where to respond to my inquiry.
I am confused. I understood it was one vote per property for association votings. For board voting: onky one vote. Otherwise, if I owned 2 properties, as a board member does that mean I GOT 2 votes? Doesn't seem correct as they way I would have a controlling interest over the board. Both these people have resigned from the board effective 2 mos ago but theney have never left and are still running our meetings! |
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AudreyB
(Florida)
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| 02/18/2006 1:29 PM |
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Hi Sharon,
REF: How many properties they own in the project:
Go to your local tax collector's web site to find out how many properties they own. If you know their names real well type in their name or their address of this couple. The tax collector's web site should answer your question.
Take Care,
Audrey |
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BeckyV
(Michigan)
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| 02/18/2006 2:10 PM |
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Sharon,
You are right that each board member only gets one vote on board business. I think you are saying that there are two people from the same household on the board. Usually the only way this could happen is if there is ownership of two properties. I also think yu are saying that these members resigned from the board but that the board reappointed them to fill the vacant positons. Is this correct?
Unfortunately, there is probably nothing in your governing documents to prevent this from happening unless they specifically state that two members of the same household cannot serve on the board simulateously.
Apathy of the other owners will probably let the situation continue unless you and other interested owners can head a campaign to remove them or vote them out. |
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RogerB
(Colorado)
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| 02/18/2006 2:19 PM |
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SharonD stated "I am confused. I understood it was one vote per property for association votings. For board voting: onky one vote. Otherwise, if I owned 2 properties, as a board member does that mean I GOT 2 votes? Doesn't seem correct as they way I would have a controlling interest over the board."
One member of the board never gets over 1 vote at a board meeting no matter how many properties they own. At a board meeting each board member gets one vote. If both are directors they each gets one vote (unless the bylaws state that only one member in a home can serve on the board, in which case one of the two should never have been elected by the members and must resign).
If you own two properties you get two votes at a members meeting. If two owners own two properties each could elect to have one vote, or they can elect to have one have two votes.
Does that make it clearer?
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/18/2006 10:30 PM |
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| going to the county records requires assessment numbers. Fact is these women stated it was none of my business what they owned; WRONG...THEY ARE BOTH ON THE BOARD BECAUSE??????? Husband and wife are not allowed so why should same sex be allowed? |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/18/2006 10:36 PM |
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| with regards to my dilemna: both women resigned...then they had te members vote them back as directors at large..New title.. but fact is they are still running the board and the other members who are ?"in control or should be are shriveled like some flower without water...these women are controlling the board and no one wants to go against them.......i have tried for years but results are like a mastiff attacking a cat. |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/19/2006 8:49 AM |
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| Yes these people live in the same home. When asked what properties they owned the one stated: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. They refuse to state what they own so I will have to go to a title company and get a profile of all the owners in the association. Our association calls for unit directors : 5 and they are to be the treasurer, secretary, president etc. Our bylaws state there can be up to 7 directors. After they resigned I approached the other members to elect new president etc upon which a "special" meeting was xalled and these tw women had themslves voted back onto the board as "directors at large" however they are still running the meetings and we have no president, the treasurer resigned but still is handling the monies and none of the unit sirectors want to take the vacant positions. I said I would but the two women stated they didn't want me running anything..... |
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SharonD
(California)
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| 02/19/2006 8:51 AM |
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| what web site? The one i looked at asks for property addresses or assessment numbers: neither of which I have |
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AudreyB
(Florida)
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| 02/19/2006 1:41 PM |
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Sharon, Your local tax collecor's web site. If the owner's live in your subdivision, their address should be easy enough to obtain shouldn't it? When you type in their address, if they own two or five properties in your county, the tax collector should list all the properties they own in their names. Also, all owner's are entitled to a directory (names, addresses, and phone numbers) of all the owners, including the Board of Director's in your subdivision/association.
Take care,
Audrey |
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