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SharonD (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
We are a small residential communty that really does not need an HOA as we have no amenities.
Our CC&R's state one vote per household UNLESS another property is owned. Despite this rule, we have 2 homosexual couples residing on the board, voting as individuals: They are controlling the board. Further the meetings have no agendas distributed. Meetings are based on what the president decides to discuss.
BUT most importantly, this Board does not see that all homeowners abide by the rules, instead the board only goes after people they do not like, to enforce the rules...
Where can we as board members, who want to run our association correctly, get help?
SamuelB (North Carolina)
Posts: 83
Posted:
It is the Presidents responsibility to maintain decorum and to assure the meetings are run in accordance with the Declarations. If, when you refer to "couples", homosexual or otherwise, you mean each couple is co-owner of each unit, and the Declarations do indeed allow only one vote, then one of the partners from each couple must step aside. The partner has no vote.

If the President is one of the culprits causing the problems, have the other Board members reduce his status to Director instead of Officer and replace him/her (keep in mind, the partners can not vote).

The bottom line here is that your Board is an official Corporation (I assume it is a Corp.), and therefore is required to meet the laws of the state in which the HOA resides. I think you will find that your governing documents at the State Legislature governing condominiums (or individual homes) will be "enabling" documents. This means, if it doesn't say you can do something, you can't do it. Make sure your Covenants and Bylaws agree with the governing state documents (many may be surprised at how many do not - your state documents take precedence). Then, below those, you have the R&R's which, typically, the Board can change. These documents will define how the meetings are to be run, and if they dictate the meetings are to be run using Robert's Rules of Order, you have all the legal authority right there to enforce an agenda and to assure the meeting is run properly.

Hope this helps.

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de St-Exupéry
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
SharonD, your note indicates you do have and do need an HOA. And be careful not to discriminate! Homosexuality is not a factor. Since there is only be one vote per unit, only one owner of a unit should serve on the board. If two owners of a unit are on the board than request that one resign.

Work to remove the problem of biased enforcement and until it is corrected make sure all board actions are carefully documented in a manner which will protect from individual legal liability those board members who are acting in good faith and showing good business judgement. If an officer is not doing their job, remove them from office. For board members not doing a good job, have them replaced by the members of the association.

AudreyB (Florida)
Posts: 104
Posted:
SharonD,

I agree with RogerB. Get the homeowner's to vote these guys out. They voted them in. They need to vote them out.

I believe you already know, "your Board is out of control!" Good for you for noticing, and want to change things for the better.

Take control. Shake things up! EXAMPLE: "Hello! or whistle. This is no way to run an Association! Those of you who choose not to follow the rules the laws of this State, are welcome to resign. There's the door! This Board cannot continue to function the way it has been. This board member wants professionalizm. We are to follow "Robert's rules of Order" during each of our Board Meetings. As well as we need an Agenda of what we are going to discuss at these meetings, and the Agenda is to be posted 72 hours for all homeowner's to see, or be mailed to each homeowner a week in advance. So the homeowner's themselves may attend these Board meeting. These are the rules Madam President, it is in our legal documents as well as our state laws. If you refuse to follow these things, and run our Board in the proper manner. I want your resignation right now." Sometimes this works, and sometimes it can back fire. However, if you do not try you'll never know, if you made a difference.

I believe any board member can call a Special Meeting, and tell the homeowner's what the meeting is about, and send along proxies so those who cannot attend can vote too. I like Saturday for such meetings. Most of the homeowner's are not working and more could attend.

The homeowener's like yourself, are the ones who pay to have their Association runing properly, and they have a right to know that things are not being run so well. This is their money that they pay to the Association and they have every right to know there's trouble on the Board.

There should always be an agenda for your Board meetings. No excuses.

If you tried to shake things up and it back fired, and you quit the Board, quickly, get as many homeowner's to your house or someone's house for an open house of sorts, making it pot luck each bring a dish, and DO NOT CALL IT A MEETING. Tell them what is going on and they have the power to vote this Board out. The homeowner's have a right to assemble, I can't think of a better disguise other than a kids party where all the adults stay to be informed of how terrible things are with your Association's Board of Directors. I'm not kidding. This is a serious situation you have with your Board of Director's.

Please let us know what happens.

I wish you luck with this issue,
Audrey
LuciusD
Posts: 139
Posted:
Wait just a minute.
The one vote per unit rule ordinarily applies only to voting on issues appropriate to an owners' meeting (such as election of directors). But you cannot extend that to a board meeting without specifically consulting what the bylaws say about the make-up of the board.
Often directors do not have to be members. Often persons who cannot vote in a membership meeting can hold office and vote on board issues.
If the members have properly elected both owners of a unit to positions of director, they are both board members and are both entitled to vote on board issues.
If the membership chose to elect two persons from the same household to the board, I see no reason for one to resign.

VincentA (Texas)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Posted By RogerB on 01/06/2006 8:16 AM

SharonD, your note indicates you do have and do need an HOA. And be careful not to discriminate! Homosexuality is not a factor. Since there is only be one vote per unit, only one owner of a unit should serve on the board. If two owners of a unit are on the board than request that one resign.

Work to remove the problem of biased enforcement and until it is corrected make sure all board actions are carefully documented in a manner which will protect from individual legal liability those board members who are acting in good faith and showing good business judgement. If an officer is not doing their job, remove them from office. For board members not doing a good job, have them replaced by the members of the association.

As a Committee Chairman does the Declaration under Chapter 81 as adopted in 1981 remain in effect although Chapter 82 was adopted by the State in 1987.

SharonD (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Our CC&R's state: 1 vote per household. If 2 women, 2 men, husband and wife live in one house it is 1 vote. If we allow both: that is 2 votes for 1 house which gives them more control. I agree with the other reply: one should resign.
SharonD (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
What is your idea of "properly elected?"
Our bylaws state directors for each of the five units which are elected by the members of each unit. Then the unit directors elect the president, vice, treasurer and secretary. NOW however this "couple" have added what they call directors at large of which we have 7...have not located any verbiage in our bylaws that states directors at large are allowed and for what purpose? These people are not following election procedures
SamuelB (North Carolina)
Posts: 83
Posted:
"Properly elected" in your situation is only ONE vote per household. The household must determine how that vote is to be cast. Based on your reading of the Declarations, there is nothing about "at large" or anything else. Period! The members of the Association (of which there is one per household owner) will elect the Directors. Then, the Directors then elect the 4 officers.

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de St-Exupéry
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
I disagree with LuciusD. When "the CC&Rs state one vote per household", and there are no qualifications, this rule applies at any meeting of members and of the board where a vote is taken. The bylaws, if in conflict with CC&Rs, are superceded and must be ignored. Furthermore, it is bad policy to have non members (post developer control) or more than one member per household serve on the board.

Just my opinion,
Roger
HankL
Posts: 47
Posted:
Lose the "homosexual" tag ! ! ! ! They probably have more rights than you do under law. One property = One vote. Period. And two equals two, etc. Co-owners, kids, and parakeets don't get a vote.

Who can help? A lawyer who specializes in Associations. It sounds like there is deliberate wrongdoing, which allows a lawsuit, even if there is indemnification in the CC&Rs, I think.

After talking to a lawyer, tell them you have talked to a lawyer, are considering a lawsuit, and that all costs will be assessed to them if they are found to be in the wrong.

This will either scare them out of power with resignations, or cause them to target you. Both are good outcomes if you keep all records and receipts, etc. Once you document being singled out because you want the CC&Rs enforced in a legal and fair way, they are very, very vulnerable. Get with other owners who are singled out to build a stronger case and share costs until you are repaid through the courts.

Now, check to see what limitations on free speech are in the CC&Rs. Obviously slander and libel are not protected, so watch out. If the topic of "hate crimes" comes up, this is how I see it: What you THINK, about ANYTHING, has to be protected from being a hate crime if what you SAY is protected by the Bill of Rights. Obviously, thinking is less harmful than speaking whatever might be "hateful". If you see white guys dressed in sheets beating up some Catholics children, I'm sure it would be fine to say derogatory things about the Klan as you try to break up a one-sided fight by pushing the white-clad idiots away physically. But only the ACLU might get behind you on that if "protected groups" are involved. There are many common situations where you voluntarily give up part of your rights to free speech. Not giving out your employer's proprietary info is one. Not communicating military classified information is another. These are things you voluntarily agree to give up when signing employment papers, etc. So be very deliberate in what you say and do, but don't let your lack of caution torpedo you. If you must vocalize about some group, pick the NY Yankees or Hillary or cops with radar, non of whom will want to make a big thing about it.

Like they used to say at the start of every episode of Hill Street Blues -- "Let's be careful out there." Unjust individuals should not hide behind their skin or religion or sexuality or political preferences, because it should always be about an unjust situation or person, and not the other descriptors.

Good luck, and keep us informed!!!!!

HankL
Posts: 47
Posted:
Even if both owners of a single unit are allowed on the board, that should be changed as it is patently unfair, especially when that unit has been turned into a pig farm and could possibly outvote a weak board. Do the paperwork and get it approved to prevent this from happening.

All owners are members, but not all members are voting members. Yes, a non-voting member (part-owner) can be elected to the board, but don't let that turn into a power bloc that might be inclined to favor one address above all others.

The earliest Common Area Committee people voted to spend all of their budget on trees to create a barrier between their properties and the local road, for several years. That looks bad, even if there is nothing that says they can't. There are things about it that favor most owners a little and a few owners a lot. Wherever possible, avoid the "look" of impropriety or unequal treatment.

Hank
LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
Take a step backward...read your Covenants and read your State law. Knowledge is power.

In our state (Illinois) it depends on what kind of Association (community or condo) and status as PUD or not as to whether you are even bound by the applicable state law. As we are not a PUD we do not need to have more than one meeting per year (per our covenants), distribute an agenda, and a whole host of other presumed items. We do these things anyway because we think we should!

I agree- the 'couples' on the Board should not be there. One per household is reasonable. Has anyone (or group) contacted the Board with their concerns? Rather than go in fighting, it would be the logical place to start. Afterall...if you do as suggested by another and cause a ruckus at a meeting by going in (loudly on the offensive), you still have to live in the same neighborhood with these people and you become the 'problem' and a 'target'.

If the concerns are not addressed and it is clear that nothing will change, then I am all for proceeding with informing you neighbors, presenting your case forcefully at a meeting, etc. Lawyers should be a last resort.

Best of Luck,
Lisa
SharonD (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
GFirst of all: what is your idea of "properly elected both opwners?"
I disagree, obviously.... with what you have said as this is giving more power to two people in one house...this opens a can of worms as the CC& R's and bylaws state: one vote per household...Let me go on further to state both of these people RESIGNED effective 12/31 (Yeah!) but then when they caught wind the new people were going to make changes they decided
they still wanted their hand in controlling our board so they decided to become "Directors at large"...No where in the bylaws or CC&R's does it state Diredctor "at large" are allowed.....but again these two have maniuplated everyone for 10 years!
SharonD (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Thank you for your response. I used "homosexual" ONLY because the Boards I have been with in the past do not allow husband and wife to be on the same board as it gives too much power to one unit..........so should we allow partners of the same sex acting as husband and wife to have double power? Has nothing to do with sexual preference: just rules..
Hate crime? The irony is: these two have commited the "crimes" because they "hated" heterosexuals....." I will leave that....
Your comment " Lose the "homosexual" tag ! ! ! ! They probably have more rights than you do under law. Well you know what...anybody who has "more rights" than another? A sad commentary on our world.
SamuelB (North Carolina)
Posts: 83
Posted:
Sharon, I believe what was trying to be said about the homosexual comment was that two same sex partners in a home do not necessarily mean they are homosexual, and if they are, it contributes nothing to the questions asked. At least this is so in my thought process. However, you do go on to indicate the same sex couple has a grudge against heterosexuals. This may be important in the questions asked, but only from the perspective of "why" they may be doing what they are doing, but not from the perspective of "do they have legal rights to do it".

I restate my position above as is reflected by most of the other comments above; only one person from a household may have a vote on issues in your community, including elections, and only one person can hold position on the Board of Directors. This ruling is so commonplace, I doubt there is a state that would have Declarations to the contrary. In addition, there is no such thing as a Director at large that has any authority what-so-ever over the Board of Directors.
I can not understand why the sitting Board of Directors would honor such a title.

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de St-Exupéry

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