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BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Hi everyone,

We are townhouse-style condos in Illinois. 110 units in 20 buildings; ~16 years old.

We will be having roofs, gutters, downspouts replaced. There is insufficient $$ in the reserve fund. (Please no comments on the deficient reserve fund – I KNOW the importance of having an up to date Reserve Study and properly funded reserve. That is not what this post is about.)

The Board will need to do a special assessment (SA) to cover the cost. What I am trying to determine is whether, per the IL Condo Act, copied below, the SA (SA amount meets the “exceeds 115% language” below) would need to be approved by 2/3s "yes" vote of all HOs. Our governing docs mirror the Act.

In addition, I interpret “2/3s vote of all HOs” to mean: we have 110 HOs; so 73 must vote “aye”.

Here is my interpretation of the pertinent paragraphs which were copied from the Act, provided below.

1. Para. (i) requires a meeting must be held re adoption of a SA before the Board votes to adopt the SA.

2. IF the SA amount added to the adopted budget exceeds 115% of the prior year budget, THEN Para. (ii) only requires a vote of the members IF there is a written petition representing 20% of the HO votes. Otherwise, the Board may adopt said SA.

3. Para. (iii) is straight forward.

4. Para. (iv) is not applicable in the scenario I’ve described.

5. Para. (v) requires a vote of the HOs for a SA not included in the adopted budget.

Your thoughts/interpretation would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Bonnie

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From the IL Condo Act:
http://www.ksnlaw.com/E02E82/assets/files/Documents/Illinois%20Condominium%20Property%20Act.pdf

Sec. 18. CONTENTS OF BYLAWS. The bylaws shall provide for at least the following:

(8) (i) that each unit owner shall receive notice, in the same manner as is provided in
this Act for membership meetings, of any meeting of the board of managers concerning the adoption of the proposed annual budget and regular assessments pursuant thereto or to adopt a separate (special) assessment,

(ii) that except as provided in subsection (iv) below, if an adopted budget or any separate assessment adopted by the board would result in the sum of all regular and separate assessments payable in the current fiscal year exceeding 115% of the sum of all regular and separate assessments payable during the preceding fiscal year, the board of managers, upon written petition by unit owners with 20 percent of the votes of the association delivered to the board within 14 days of the board action, shall call a meeting of the unit owners within 30 days of the date of delivery of the petition to consider the budget or separate assessment; unless a majority of the total votes of the unit owners are cast at the meeting to reject the budget or separate assessment, it is ratified,

(iii) that any common expense not set forth in the budget or any increase in assessments over the amount adopted in the budget shall be separately assessed against all unit owners,

(iv) that separate assessments for expenditures relating to emergencies or mandated by law may be adopted by the board of managers without being subject to unit owner approval or the provisions of item (ii) above or item (v) below. As used herein, "emergency" means an immediate danger to the structural integrity of the common elements or to the life, health, safety or property of the unit owners,

(v) that assessments for additions and alterations to the common elements or to association-owned property not included in the adopted annual budget, shall be separately assessed and are subject to approval of two-thirds of the total votes of all unit owners,

(vi) that the board of managers may adopt separate assessments payable over more than one fiscal year. With respect to multi-year assessments not governed by items (iv) and (v), the entire amount of the multi-year assessment shall be deemed considered and authorized in the first fiscal year in which the assessment is approved;

and:

Sec. 18.4. POWERS AND DUTIES OF BOARD OF MANAGERS. The board of managers
shall exercise for the association all powers, duties and authority vested in the association by law or the condominium instruments except for such powers, duties and authority reserved by law to the members of the association. The powers and duties of the board of managers shall include, but shall not be limited to, the following:

(a) To provide for the operation, care, upkeep, maintenance, replacement and improvement of the common elements. Nothing in this subsection (a) shall be deemed to invalidate any provision in a condominium instrument placing limits on expenditures for the common elements, provided, that such limits shall not be applicable to expenditures for repair, replacement, or restoration of existing portions of the common elements.

The term "repair, replacement or restoration" means expenditures to deteriorated or damaged portions of the property related to the existing decorating, facilities, or structural or mechanical components, interior or exterior surfaces, or energy systems and equipment with the functional equivalent of the original portions of such areas. Replacement of the common elements may result in an improvement over the original quality of such elements or facilities; provided that, unless the improvement is mandated by law or is an emergency as defined in item (iv) of subparagraph (8) of paragraph (a) of Section 18, if the improvement results in a proposed expenditure exceeding 5% of the annual budget, the board of managers, upon written petition by unit owners with 20% of the votes of the association delivered to the board within 14 days of the board action to approve the expenditure, shall call a meeting of the unit owners within 30 days of the date of delivery of the petition to consider the expenditure. Unless a majority of the total votes of the unit owners are cast at the meeting to reject the expenditure, it is ratified.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I know you don't want to hear this, but the Board should take out a loan and get the work done and have the reserve fund pay the loan payment.
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Actually, I am glad to hear that -- thank you, Susan, for a great suggestion. From talking with some Board members, I have been given to understand that only a special assessment has been considered (thus far).

I am still interested in hearing interpretations/opinions on what I asked, though.

Thanks,
Bonnie
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
My interpretation is fairly close to Bonnie's interpretation. However ...

If the SA is included in the annual budget, there is usually no problem. That is, if the budget (+ SAs) goes up by 15% over last year's budget (+ SAs) AND 20% of the homeowners present a petition to have a meeting AND more than 50% of the homeowners cast a vote at the meeting which is against the budget, then the budget is rejected. If not all of these circumstances are met, the budget is approved.

If the SA is outside the regular budget, it usually doesn't work. The Board would need to get 2/3rd's of the homeowners to vote to approve SA. That's basically impossible.

It would be pragmatic for the Board to wait for the next budget, load it up with expenses, higher fees and SAs and, most likely, the homeowners would be too disorganized to follow the rather strict procedure to reject the budget.
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Bonnie,
Your read on this is how I also read it to be. However, I'd like to understand where you are heading with this. My take is that the special assessment needs 2/3 votes to approve under any circumstance. It doesn't matter if it is part of the budget or separate. Also, if there is any question, hold the vote, at least then the board cannot be faulted.

Also, on a different post, you mentioned wanting to discuss management companies. I posted my email address and would like to hear from you. [email protected]
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Thank you, Rick and Daniel, for your thoughts.

On one point you both apparently differ in your opinion. Rick, you stated: “My take is that the special assessment needs 2/3 votes to approve under any circumstance. It doesn't matter if it is part of the budget or separate.”

Whereas, Daniel, I understand that you think if the SA is part of the regular budget and if together they exceed the prior year budget by 15%, then the HOs could follow the procedure outlined should they want to reject the budget/SA (no 2/3 HO approval vote is required). But if the SA is proposed outside of the budget, then you agree that the vote is required.

My opinion is that the language in the two paragraphs, (ii) and (v) are contradictory.

Rick – you also said: “However, I'd like to understand where you are heading with this.”

I want to be informed. I am hopeful that an upcoming contractor report on the condition of our roofs (at our August Board meeting) will indicate that we have several more years of “life” before they need replacement. Then I am hopeful that the Board will propose annual increases to the Reserve fund (by increasing annual assessments to just below 15%) to partially if not completely cover the cost of the roof replacement project when implemented several years down the road.

Should the roofs need to begin replacement in 2011, then I hope the Board will obtain a loan and pay it off via the Reserves with max increases to the annual assessments as Susan suggested.

Thanks! -- Bonnie

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Should the roofs need to begin replacement in 2011, then I hope the Board will obtain a loan and pay it off via the Reserves with max increases to the annual assessments as Susan suggested


Just a word of caution...... interest rates for HOA's are quite high, especially because so many are having problems and you already have money problems. You all pay in the end.... so make a good choice.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Steve & Barbara,

I've heard that even people with the highest credit scores are having problems getting a loan. I doubt it would be a wise choice for the HOA to seek a loan at this time. And if they were successful in obtaining one, the interest rate would probably be sky high!
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Thanks, Steve and Mary – your points are well taken.

If the roofs can wait long enough to allow the reserve fund to be built up enough to cover the project cost, I think that would be our best route to go. The key will be the Board’s willingness to increase Reserve contributions each year, beginning with the 2011 budget. This is something they have refused to do for several years now.

Bonnie
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BonnieE on 07/28/2010 12:59 PM
Thank you, Rick and Daniel, for your thoughts.

On one point you both apparently differ in your opinion. Rick, you stated: “My take is that the special assessment needs 2/3 votes to approve under any circumstance. It doesn't matter if it is part of the budget or separate.”

Whereas, Daniel, I understand that you think if the SA is part of the regular budget and if together they exceed the prior year budget by 15%, then the HOs could follow the procedure outlined should they want to reject the budget/SA (no 2/3 HO approval vote is required). But if the SA is proposed outside of the budget, then you agree that the vote is required.

My opinion is that the language in the two paragraphs, (ii) and (v) are contradictory.

Rick – you also said: “However, I'd like to understand where you are heading with this.”

I want to be informed. I am hopeful that an upcoming contractor report on the condition of our roofs (at our August Board meeting) will indicate that we have several more years of “life” before they need replacement. Then I am hopeful that the Board will propose annual increases to the Reserve fund (by increasing annual assessments to just below 15%) to partially if not completely cover the cost of the roof replacement project when implemented several years down the road.

Should the roofs need to begin replacement in 2011, then I hope the Board will obtain a loan and pay it off via the Reserves with max increases to the annual assessments as Susan suggested.

Thanks! -- Bonnie


Bonnie,

I agree, the 2 paragraphs are contradictory. I also now see where you are heading and I see consequences depending on which interpretation is used.

I also agree with the direction you are hoping happens. It seems the best case scenario. I do think I would want something more concrete than our thoughts...not that I don't truly appreciate this forum....I would get the opinion of your management company (I know, I owe you an email...). Perhaps also you should get an opinion from an attorney. It will probably cost a couple hundred dollars but could be worth it in the end.

Finally, as others have said, a loan could be questionable, but I do know, in Illinois, it has become more prevalent. I have no idea of interest rates, but I bet somewhere in my files I have a contact person for you to ask questions. I'll look for it.

Rick
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Thanks, Rick. No need to take time looking for that contact person at this point. Although if you have already found the name, then that would be useful to have.

Next steps - to learn the condition of the roofs via a report which I have been told will be presented at the August Board meeting. Then to learn what the Board is considering re timing of the roof project, and options to fund it. The proposed 2011 budget will come out to the HOs in the Fall – which may include an increase to the reserve fund – and may include some information regarding the roof project.

Thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts. I’ll be back with an update & perhaps another question once there is more known.

Bonnie

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