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SallyL (Colorado)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I would like to ask other assoc.to help here..In our by-laws,it says we have to have 80% of acres to vote to amended the protective covenants,but then they say only the yes votes are to be counted in the 80%.Some on the board say,the no votes are not to be included in the 80%.So in a nut shell what it is looking like is we have to have 80% yes..Does this sound right to anyone..I'm thinking if a person votes,turns in a ballot their acres should be counted no matter how they vote..Thank You for any input that you have..
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
80% of the total acres must vote yes

ps. my association requires 66% .... we have 126 homes, so, to ammend = 84 yes votes

if it were a simple majority of (quorum) 80% voting then 41% would be able to change your bylaws
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
John is correct.
Jeanne
SallyL (Colorado)
Posts: 24
Posted:
What if all the people don't vote.We live on a old ranch and lots of people don't live here,just bought land for what ever reason..So people own 3,4,6 lots..Now I have done a mass mailing asking them to vote..I believe some but not all will respond and cast a vote.The people that have not paid their dues, acres will be deducted from the 3000 acres..If a person doesn't send in a ballot,when what do you do?..It's like just 5 or 6 people can say no.The other 54 that voted yes lose..Once again thank you for any input you give
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
if they don't vote -> the ammendment/change would FAIL

to repeat: you require 80% yes .... if 79% vote and this 79% all vote yes -> you have failed to obtain the required 80% YES votes

in other terms: all non votes are assumed to be NAY

IF YOU HAVE 3000 acres you would need 2,400 acres voting YES

you are correct ... 601 acres can say no and the majority loses the vote

this is how it should be
SallyL (Colorado)
Posts: 24
Posted:
thank you John
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Sally, Your Covenants are superceded by the Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act (CCIOA). CCIOA requires approval of 67% of all owners (unless the Covenants require less). Owners voting no and those not responding do not count towards the 67% approval.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 07/18/2010 8:12 AM
Sally, Your Covenants are superceded by the Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act (CCIOA). CCIOA requires approval of 67% of all owners (unless the Covenants require less). Owners voting no and those not responding do not count towards the 67% approval.

Ayou sure it does not read "...unless the covenants require MORE..." ?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
RogerB is correct re: Colorado !!!

Read it and weep !

"38-33.3-217. Amendment of declaration.
(1) (a) (I) Except as otherwise provided in subparagraphs (II) and (III) of this paragraph (a), the
declaration, including the plats and maps, may be amended only by the affirmative vote or
agreement of unit owners of units to which more than fifty percent of the votes in the association
are allocated or any larger percentage, not to exceed sixty-seven percent, that the declaration
specifies. Any provision in the declaration that purports to specify a percentage larger than
sixty-seven percent is hereby declared void as contrary to public policy
, and until amended, such
provision shall be deemed to specify a percentage of sixty-seven percent."

You now only need 2,010 AYE votes to ammend
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Unless you association was formed pre 1992 and did NOT 'elect in' to the 'act'.
SallyL (Colorado)
Posts: 24
Posted:
RogerB,JohnB26..thank you for your input...If I am understanding you right,the CCIOA sets the standred for HOA in colorado??..The broker that bought this ranch and broke it up to sell set the 80%..But we don't need the 80%? In realty we only need 67%?..Am I understanding you correctly.If this is the case,how do I go about proving this to our board? We have a total of 3687.57 acres. You might have explained this,I just want to make sure i have a total understanding of whats you are saying..Once again Thank You so Much
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Sally,

FYI, copied below are pertinent sections of the CCIOA. If your assn was organized after July 1, 1992 only section 38-33.3-120 will apply. However if it was organized before that date you will want to read all three sections copied below. Depending on when your assn was organized and whether they elected to use CCIOA, will determine what % is required to pass an amendment.

Many states have state laws which an HOA must also abide by. Board members should know what those laws are. In CO the state law for HOAs is the CCIOA. If you want to prove this to your fellow board members just show them the state statutes. You can view the entire CCIOA at: www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&cp=

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38-33.3-120. Amendments to preexisting governing instruments.
(1) In the case of amendments to the declaration, bylaws, or plats and maps of any common interest community created within this state before July 1, 1992, which has not elected treatment under this article pursuant to section 38-33.3-118:
(a) If the substantive result accomplished by the amendment was permitted by law in effect prior to July 1, 1992, the amendment may be made either in accordance with that law, in which case that law applies to that amendment, or it may be made under this article; and
(b) If the substantive result accomplished by the amendment is permitted by this article, and was not permitted by law in effect prior to July 1, 1992, the amendment may be made under this article.
(2) An amendment to the declaration, bylaws, or plats and maps authorized by this section to be made under this article must be adopted in conformity with the procedures and requirements of the law that applied to the common interest community at the time it was created and with the procedures and requirements specified by those instruments. If an amendment grants to any person any rights, powers, or privileges permitted by this article, all correlative obligations, liabilities, and restrictions in this article also apply to that person.
(3) An amendment to the declaration may also be made pursuant to the procedures set forth in section 38-33.3-217 (7).

38-33.3-118. Procedure to elect treatment under the "Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act".
(1) Any organization created prior to July 1, 1992, may elect to have the common interest community be treated as if it were created after June 30, 1992, and thereby subject the common interest community to all of the provisions contained in this article, in the following manner:
(a) If there are members or stockholders entitled to vote thereon, the board of directors may adopt a resolution recommending that such association accept this article and directing that the question of acceptance be submitted to a vote at a meeting of the members or stockholders entitled to vote thereon, which may be either an annual or special meeting. The question shall also be submitted whenever one-twentieth, or, in the case of an association with over one thousand members, one-fortieth, of the members or stockholders entitled to vote thereon so request. Written notice stating that the purpose, or one of the purposes, of the meeting is to consider electing to be treated as a common interest community organized after June 30, 1992, and thereby accepting the provisions of this article, together with a copy of this article, shall be given to each person entitled to vote at the meeting within the time and in the manner provided in the articles of incorporation, declaration, bylaws, or other governing documents for such association for the giving of notice of meetings to members. Such election to accept the provisions of this article shall require for adoption at least sixty-seven percent of the votes that the persons present at such meeting in person or by proxy are entitled to cast.
(b) If there are no persons entitled to vote thereon, the election to be treated as a common interest community under this article may be made at a meeting of the board of directors pursuant to a majority vote of the directors in office.
(2) A statement of election to accept the provisions of this article shall be executed and acknowledged by the president or vice-president and by the secretary or an assistant secretary of such association and shall set forth:
(a) The name of the common interest community and association;
(b) That the association has elected to accept the provisions of this article;
(c) That there were persons entitled to vote thereon, the date of the meeting of such persons at which the election was made to be treated as a common interest community under this article, that a quorum was present at the meeting, and that such acceptance was authorized by at least sixty-seven percent of the votes that the members or stockholders present at such meeting in person or by proxy were entitled to cast;
(d) That there were no members or stockholders entitled to vote thereon, the date of the meeting of the board of directors at which election to accept this article was made, that a quorum was present at the meeting, and that such acceptance was authorized by a majority vote of the directors present at such meeting;
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 645, ยง 7, effective April 30, 1993.)
(f) The names and respective addresses of its officers and directors; and
(g) If there were no persons entitled to vote thereon but a common interest community has been created by virtue of compliance with section 38-33.3-103 (8), that the declarant desires for the common interest community to be subject to all the terms and provisions of this article.
(3) The original statement of election to be treated as a common interest community subject to the terms and conditions of this article shall be duly recorded in the office of the clerk and recorder for the county in which the common interest community is located.
(4) Upon the recording of the original statement of election to be treated as a common interest community subject to the provisions of this article, said common interest community shall be subject to all provisions of this article. Upon recording of the statement of election, such common interest community shall have the same powers and privileges and be subject to the same duties, restrictions, penalties, and liabilities as though it had been created after June 30, 1992.
(5) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, and with respect to a common interest community making the election permitted by this section, this article shall apply only with respect to events and circumstances occurring on or after July 1, 1992, and does not invalidate provisions of any declaration, bylaws, or plats or maps in existence on June 30, 1992.

38-33.3-217. Amendment of declaration.
(1) (a) (I) Except as otherwise provided in subparagraphs (II) and (III) of this paragraph (a), the declaration, including the plats and maps, may be amended only by the affirmative vote or agreement of unit owners of units to which more than fifty percent of the votes in the association are allocated or any larger percentage, not to exceed sixty-seven percent, that the declaration specifies. Any provision in the declaration that purports to specify a percentage larger than sixty-seven percent is hereby declared void as contrary to public policy, and until amended, such provision shall be deemed to specify a percentage of sixty-seven percent. The declaration may specify a smaller percentage than a simple majority only if all of the units are restricted exclusively to nonresidential use. Nothing in this paragraph (a) shall be construed to prohibit the association from seeking a court order, in accordance with subsection (7) of this section, to reduce the required percentage to less than sixty-seven percent.
(II) If the declaration provides for an initial period of applicability to be followed by automatic extension periods, the declaration may be amended at any time in accordance with subparagraph (I) of this paragraph (a).
(III) This paragraph (a) shall not apply:
(A) To the extent that its application is limited by subsection (4) of this section;
(B) To amendments executed by a declarant under section 38-33.3-205 (4) and (5), 38-33.3-208 (3), 38-33.3-209 (6), 38-33.3-210, or 38-33.3-222;
(C) To amendments executed by an association under section 38-33.3-107, 38-33.3-206 (4), 38-33.3-208 (2), 38-33.3-212, 38-33.3-213, or 38-33.3-218 (11) and (12);
(D) To amendments executed by the district court for any county that includes all or any portion of a common interest community under subsection (7) of this section; or
(E) To amendments that affect phased communities or declarant-controlled communities.
(b) (I) If the declaration requires first mortgagees to approve or consent to amendments, but does not set forth a procedure for registration or notification of first mortgagees, the association may:
(A) Send a dated, written notice and a copy of any proposed amendment by certified mail to each first mortgagee at its most recent address as shown on the recorded deed of trust or recorded assignment thereof; and
(B) Cause the dated notice, together with information on how to obtain a copy of the proposed amendment, to be printed in full at least twice, on separate occasions at least one week apart, in a newspaper of general circulation in the county in which the common interest community is located.
(II) A first mortgagee that does not deliver to the association a negative response within sixty days after the date of the notice specified in subparagraph (I) of this paragraph (b) shall be deemed to have approved the proposed amendment.
(III) The notification procedure set forth in this paragraph (b) is not mandatory. If the consent of first mortgagees is obtained without resort to this paragraph (b), and otherwise in accordance with the declaration, the notice to first mortgagees shall be considered sufficient.
(2) No action to challenge the validity of an amendment adopted by the association pursuant to this section may be brought more than one year after the amendment is recorded.
(3) Every amendment to the declaration must be recorded in every county in which any portion of the common interest community is located and is effective only upon recordation. An amendment must be indexed in the grantee's index in the name of the common interest community and the association and in the grantor's index in the name of each person executing the amendment.
(4) (a) Except to the extent expressly permitted or required by other provisions of this article, no amendment may create or increase special declarant rights, increase the number of units, or change the boundaries of any unit or the allocated interests of a unit in the absence of a vote or agreement of unit owners of units to which at least sixty-seven percent of the votes in the association, including sixty-seven percent of the votes allocated to units not owned by a declarant, are allocated or any larger percentage the declaration specifies. The declaration may specify a smaller percentage only if all of the units are restricted exclusively to nonresidential use.
(b) The sixty-seven-percent maximum percentage stated in paragraph (a) of subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to any common interest community in which one unit owner, by virtue of the declaration, bylaws, or other governing documents of the association, is allocated sixty-seven percent or more of the votes in the association.
(4.5) Except to the extent expressly permitted or required by other provisions of this article, no amendment may change the uses to which any unit is restricted in the absence of a vote or agreement of unit owners of units to which at least sixty-seven percent of the votes in the association are allocated or any larger percentage the declaration specifies. The declaration may specify a smaller percentage only if all of the units are restricted exclusively to nonresidential use.
(5) Amendments to the declaration required by this article to be recorded by the association shall be prepared, executed, recorded, and certified on behalf of the association by any officer of the association designated for that purpose or, in the absence of designation, by the president of the association.
(6) All expenses associated with preparing and recording an amendment to the declaration shall be the sole responsibility of:
(a) In the case of an amendment pursuant to sections 38-33.3-208 (2), 38-33.3-212, and 38-33.3-213, the unit owners desiring the amendment; and
(b) In the case of an amendment pursuant to section 38-33.3-208 (3), 38-33.3-209 (6), or 38-33.3-210, the declarant; and
(c) In all other cases, the association.
SallyL (Colorado)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Thank You for all that responded.I have read and read,but just do not understand the legal documents.All we want to do is amended our lighting covenants,so the guy that has his home lite up like a Walmart parking lot,has to shut the lights off.We had a loop hole in our covenants and he jumped thru it..The board is worried and I do understand,he has threated legal action, if we talk to him anymore.Thank You All
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
in Colorado, as per governing state law, any CID established after 1992 must have 67% AYE votes to modify governing documents

period ... done deal
SallyL (Colorado)
Posts: 24
Posted:
So we can change our percent from 80% to 67% with out voting??Starting now.Even if when we picked our very first board and the broker when they turned it over to the land owners had our by-laws set?? Well that sounds good to me..I have over the 67% needed for the acres to pass this thing..Now if I can get the board to just listen and stop their worrying that we will be sued by changing this,we are set.Wish you all the best.Thank You so much for helping me!!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Sally,

I posted the CO state statutes which you should read before deciding whether you need an 80% or a 67% vote. John is correct in saying the CO statutes says 67% BUT that only applies if

1) your assn was formed before 7/1/92 and the BOD elected to abide by the CCIOA, or
2) your assn was formed after 7/1/92

If your assn was formed before 7/1/92 and the BOD did NOT elect to abide by the CCIOA then you will have to abide by your bylaws,which is to obtain an 80% vote.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
MaryA1;

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