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AlexL1
(Florida)

Posts:305


03/10/2010 6:49 AM  
It is going to come up to ban children from riding their skateboards, bicycles, etc on the streets within the condo comples(not city streets) and also on the sidewalks...Some of those low to the ground peddle things are dangerous in the streets(condo streets) when the kid is darting(yes, darting) in and out of parked cars into the street when people are driving up to 20 MPH(even though not allowed)... it is dangerous for the kids.

Many complaints about having to dart away from kids on those things when they are on the sidewalks of the complex... mostly from elderly people..

Thus, where can they go? There is going to be a suggestion(strong suggestion) that they be banned all together... The CC&Rs do not mention that they cannot be used.

Has anyone had problems with these things? I also am concerned about being accused of discrimination against "children"
MaryA1


Posts:0


03/10/2010 7:01 AM  
Alex,

When the board writes this rule they should not mention "children" otherwise they will be in violation of the Fair Housing Act. Just state, "Skateboards and bicycles of any type are prohibited from being used on the sidewalks and streets." By not mentioning children, there is no discrimination issue.
RogerB
(Colorado)

Posts:5067


03/10/2010 7:04 AM  
AlexL, Your concern about discrimination is well founded. The HOA may be allowed to establish a rule to ban skateboards, bicycles, etc in the common areas - but not just for children. The issue is safety and what can be done to allow children to play while not being a significant disturbance to others. And when making such rules ask how does the HOA effectively police and enforce those restrictions. It is a difficult problem to resolve and that is why 55+ communities are becoming more popular.
AlexL1
(Florida)

Posts:305


03/11/2010 6:28 AM  
Yes, one can fairly easily ban skateboards, etc and not mention children but.... am still concerned..... It seems only fair that children(I mention children) should not be cut off from playing and one of the things they play with is their small bicycles, etc.... In essence, it seems that they would have NO PLACE to pay with that type of instrument.
BrianB
(California)

Posts:2820


03/11/2010 12:28 PM  
i would like to say that the advice offered here to remove the ban on "children" doing X and Y and instead simply banning Activity X and Y was absolutely fantastic.

I cannot tell you how many times in my world(s), i see similar rules being made to ban or prohibit a certain thing, and yet it truly fails to get to the real problem. In this case, we don't want 'kids' to dart out into traffic, and be hit. So, we ban "kids" from doing things that would cause that. But, in effect what we are saying is that if you are an adult, the same behavior that we find dangerous and horrible in children is suddenly acceptable. Is it really? Is it okay to dart out into traffic as a 28 year old? Is it okay to rollerblade and crash into someone's flower planter if you are 58? THe day before your 18th birthday, you can't ride a skateboard. Then, two minutes after midnight, you suddenly can? What changed to make you safer?

If only more boards, and more people, would look to the real root of their issue, and work a rule to deal with THAT, instead of applying a ton of rules to the outside, cosmetic, or expressed symptoms if the issue, things would be easier.

Thank you for the great advice. thank you very much, it was a pleasure to see it brought forward.
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


03/11/2010 6:12 PM  
Well, considering the op is from Fl and the subject is a condo, I would belive the associations could restrict any activity on common property. We all know the problem is a constant most places and we know somehow people find a way to live with it.
So if this complex consults with Insurance coverage people and requests they write up something that describes what liability is covered and what is not, this might prove helpful. The problem is still what are you going to do with the kids? Are these children owners children constantly in residence or are they renters children. If the later, there should be something in the rental leases that addresses this problem and assigns liability. If they are owners children, then I think the condo should make every effort to provide a safe environment for the kids and a safe place to play. After all, we provide sun decks for common use, Bar B que facilities, parking spaces, etc, all as an amenity for the owners. I can't see how the kids can be allowed to play at anything, or anyone else for that matter, to do anything that threatens the association. We have concrete walls around a garden are, and no one is allowed to walk on the top of these walls, they are hollow, present a danger, and the condo is liable. Is there any possibility play area could be designated for recreational use. We have a sand area we constructed that is used for fun and games but we do not allow skateboard, etc in the garage. So we post a sign and try to enforce the restriction and are visible doing it.

Probably not much help for here but it sort of works for our condo with short term renters which is 95 % of our rental market. We have way too many folks that rent for the health of the organization and from the looks of things there are going to be a lot of condos that are going to be effected by the new FHA requirements on # of rental units allowed in a condo to qualify for FHA and maybe some other type mortgages.
GlenL
(Ohio)

Posts:5491


03/12/2010 5:39 AM  
Robert they can ban activities but unless it’s a 55 or older community they can’t discriminate between children and adults as this condo found out when the US Attorney filed suit against them: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2010/02/26/childrens_play_restrictions_spur_suit/

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AdamS6
(Ohio)

Posts:9


05/09/2010 8:10 PM  
I have to say that this is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

If you've forgotten - allow me to remind you that this is America, land of the FREE.

Drive slow and watch out for the kids being kids, and let me hope I never ever meet you or anyone like you.
JohnF12
(Florida)

Posts:3


05/09/2010 10:08 PM  
I can tell you with certainty that restricting children's "skateboards, bicycles, etc" is familial discrimination.

I would think that the focus should be on those people that are "driving up to 20 MPH(even though not allowed)" If the people were not driving that quickly, then would it be as dangerous for the kids?
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/10/2010 9:14 AM  
Posted By AdamS6 on 05/09/2010 8:10 PM
I have to say that this is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

If you've forgotten - allow me to remind you that this is America, land of the FREE.

Drive slow and watch out for the kids being kids, and let me hope I never ever meet you or anyone like you.

Sorry, but in "FREE" America, we have a plethora of rules and regulations by which we must abide.

Not only is it not "ridiculous" (though it may be the most ridiculous thing YOU'VE ever heard), it's a lot more common than one would think.

For one thing, it's already ILLEGAL in our jurisdiction (our city/county) for bicycles to be ridden on sidewalks.

So it's probably already a law in Florida, too. Alex, you may want to investigate that. In which case, if it is already illegal for bicycles to be used on sidewalks, you would only have to restrict them from the condo roads.


MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/10/2010 9:18 AM  
Posted By JohnF12 on 05/09/2010 10:08 PM
I can tell you with certainty that restricting children's "skateboards, bicycles, etc" is familial discrimination.

With all due respect, this is not true at all.

Many adults ride both bicycles and use skateboards.

In fact, a great many do.

So if the activity is restricted, it would apply to them as well.


If your association owns the roads in your development, and they are designated as common area, and the board can make rules and regulations regarding what can and can't happen on common areas, then you might be able to build such a rule.

However, I'm not sure you will be able to with the sidewalks, but, if they, too, are owned and maintained by the HOA, then possibly you can.

In our area we have skate and bicycle parks, and we have bike trails in various other parks.

Does your community have such a thing?
SteveM9
(Massachusetts)

Posts:3396


05/10/2010 10:00 AM  
You should ban all humans from your community. Problem solved. (wink)
DwightT
(Idaho)

Posts:664


05/10/2010 10:53 AM  
FYI: Bicycles are defined as Vehicles in almost all state laws, and bicyclists are given the same rights and responsibilities as all other vehicle operators. Even if the Association owns the streets, I would find it very unlikely that a flat-out ban on bicycle use would stand up in court.

The problem isn't the use of bicycles (or any other type of transportation), it's the improper use, including the improper use of motor vehicles. Darting in and out of parked cars is improper use. Cars parked on the streets is probably also improper use. Excessive speed (for both motorized and non-motorized vehicles) is improper use.

Instead of trying to ban legitimate modes of transportation, maybe it would be better to start a general education campaign geared towards educating all residents in proper use of their vehicles.
JoelM1
(Pennsylvania)

Posts:61


05/10/2010 11:33 AM  
We had a gentleman in his late 60's slip and fall on a sloped part of the common ground. He ended up with a broken hip. My kids fall in the same spot all the time and pop right back up. I guess we will have to ban all seniors from the area as their bones tend to be more brittle.
JoelM1
(Pennsylvania)

Posts:61


05/10/2010 11:45 AM  
Posted By JoelM1 on 05/10/2010 11:33 AM
We had a gentleman in his late 60's slip and fall on a sloped part of the common ground. He ended up with a broken hip. My kids fall in the same spot all the time and pop right back up. I guess we will have to ban all seniors from the area as their bones tend to be more brittle.




In case the analogy is missed let me explain:

The OP suggestion was to ban children specifically from a certain activity (riding a bike/big wheel/skate board) because there is a much greater liklihood of a child being injured while doing the activity than an adult.

In my example the activity is walking on a sloped part of the common area (which is almost all of the common area) and that activity when done by a senior has a much greater liklihood of injury than when done by a child or younger person. I see no reason not to ban seniors from our common area all together.
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/10/2010 2:01 PM  
Posted By JoelM1 on 05/10/2010 11:33 AM
We had a gentleman in his late 60's slip and fall on a sloped part of the common ground. He ended up with a broken hip. My kids fall in the same spot all the time and pop right back up. I guess we will have to ban all seniors from the area as their bones tend to be more brittle.




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DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671


05/10/2010 3:36 PM  

Alex,

The best that you can do is to post signs banning use of bikes and skateboards on the common area sidewalks. But has anyone thought about trying to enforce this? Condo commandos? Yuk, another job for them to drive normal people crazy.

Put up the signs and just be reasonable about the boards and bikes. With the signs up, the association is at least covered in case someone does create a real problem with the wheels.
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/10/2010 6:40 PM  
Posted By DonnaS on 05/10/2010 3:36 PM

Alex,

The best that you can do is to post signs banning use of bikes and skateboards on the common area sidewalks. But has anyone thought about trying to enforce this? Condo commandos? Yuk, another job for them to drive normal people crazy.

Put up the signs and just be reasonable about the boards and bikes. With the signs up, the association is at least covered in case someone does create a real problem with the wheels.

Excellent point, Donna. If the ban is placed, the HOA does not need to worry about "enforcement" with signs that reiterate the restriction.

At that point, violation is at the homeowner's risk as it is the homeowner's responsibility to be in compliance.
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/10/2010 8:31 PM  
Donna and Michele,
Don't know how it happened but I really think the conclusion one can draw from this thread, bears some scrutiny. To proclaim that because an association puts up signs they have no more obligation or responsibilty is just not proper. The posting of signs is an attempt to warn someone of something. It doesn't mean by warning them the danger don't exist. Take a swimming pool, you can post signs no swimming after 9PM. If someone goes in the pool and is harmed, the defense of the association would not be, "I posted a sign." That is why most states (Read insurance companies) are requiring all pools be fenced. Then you jump somewhere to ridiculing the "Condo commando", certainly you can not label a person a condo commando because they would warn someone of dangerous conduct, even if it is "signed". Isn't that a choice that everyone has the right to make? This coming from some Board members who freely admit the Board (their board) will not self enforce rules and convenants, but they will rely on "the condo commando, or the squeaky wheel to keep them informed of misconduct and they will at some point decide, well maybe, the Board should intercede and take steps to correct a problem.

I am not protecting the trouble maker, but this post isn't about trouble makers, and I defend myself and ony other owner that feels the need to use their mind and care enough about their association that they want to protect it, in fact it is their obligation, sign or not. If a child is endangering themselves or others or an adult is endangering the association, you should just ignore them or not, dependent on whether a sign is posted? You can post your property "No trespassing," does this mean if someone comes on your property where there are no sign posted and harms themselve because you created a hazzardous condition, you are not liable. Does it also mean if they walk right past the sign and hurt themselves the owner is not liable. I advocate good signage, but it does not absolve the individual or the association from reasonable conduct, and it is certainly reasonable to not ignore dangerous conditions.. I would believe that if all that was required to protect a business from liability was a sign, within two weeks, the insurance rates would drop 80% and the sign makers output would increase 5000%. (figures are a wild a-- guess).
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/11/2010 4:20 AM  
Donna and Michele,he
Don't believe for a moment the posing of sign absolves the HOA of all responsibility. If true, the insurance rates would drop 90% and the sign makers business would increase 5000X. Also don't understand why it seems relevant to bring up some condemnantion of "Condo Commandos" in this thread. Condo Commando or not, (and how would you know from obeservation here on this thread). It seems to me you are blaming the circumstances (dangerous activities happening on HOA property) on the hapless Commando. How can you jump from a persons concern about the safety of others, in spite of signs, to lable it an act of a "Condo Commando". Wasn't long ago we had a thread that expounded on how some Boards will rely on these complainers to serve as watch dogs for the board and notify them of enforcement issues that the board said they, as individuals, would not do one on one confrontation, it's not their job. Would you as an individual ignore a car speeding through your neighborhood 30 miles over the speed limit on a daily basis. You say signs are posted, the HOA and "The Board seems to be who you want to protect", are not liable or should be concerned. I may have swung a little far in the opposite direction, but certainly you would agree that you can not post enough signs(if you believe what you propose)that the Board or the association are now worry free about respsibilities.
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/11/2010 5:29 AM  
To Donna and Susan,
Sorry about this double post saying much the same thing. I got a new Laptop and I generally post on my PC. Trying to resolve these mating issues and apparently not doing a very good job. Long story, but again, sorry for the double post, don't chew am a-- out double.
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671


05/11/2010 7:09 AM  

Robert,

I will chew you out just once. Posting signs will alert boarders and bikers that they should not ride their vehicles on the sidewalks. There should be no one ready to pounce on them for doing so but a friendly reminder unless of course they are becoming a nuisance. They will need ingress and egress to other non HOA places to ride so I think that a soft glove approach is called for. If they start to gather in masses to ride, that is a different story. Then the HOA can take harsher steps to curtil the riding but taking this easy and post signs first, gentle reminders will cause this to not escalate into a holy war between the wheels and the HOA.

Short story. My Florida HOA had a goon build a skate ramp with a huge jump for his boarder kids. He placed it in the middle of his cul-du-sac, driving his car around it to insure that cars could get past it. He did NOT consider larger vans and landscape people who were towing work trailers, who could not get past.

After a few attempts by the Board to get rid of it and he refused, we ordered the HOA landscapers to load it onto their trailer. They had to cut it apart to move it. He must have feared us because we never heard back. It was ours to remove being that it was on HOA property--the street. We were gated and streets are HOA property. HA HA.
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/11/2010 7:13 AM  
Robert:

I completely understand your position, and I didn't mean to imply that posting a sign would prevent someone from suing the HOA. People can sue for whatever they want, pretty much.

My point with the sign is that it alerts the homeowners about the restriction and that violating the restriction is then at their own risk. That includes allowing people in their homes violating the restriction.

My comment regarding the sign was intended to mitigate the idea that because there is a restriction that the HOA must always actively "police" to enforce it.

A sign that reminds (warns) people of the restriction would help in that mitigation.

At that point, again, the violator is made aware of the restriction and takes on a certain responsibility for ignoring the notice.

It's sort of like no trespassing signs and signs at our lake that state the lake area is for the exclusive use by our association residents, that there is no swimming, boating, ATVing, etc allowed.

Well, that won't stop someone from coming there who is not a member of our association and that won't stop that person from engaging in the activities that are noted as restricted on the sign.

So if someone (member or not) then violates say the swimming restriction -- and gets hurt, I can certainly bet that we would still get sued.

But our signs can reduce to an extent any damages. Possibly still not completely, nothing ever really does, does it? But I do know that NOT having the signs opens our pockets MUCH wider and MUCH deeper.

So I guess this is a long-winded way of saying, signs won't be the magic teflon barrier, but NOT having any signs if the ban is enacted would be likely be more problematic.

MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/11/2010 7:22 AM  
PS: I have no problem with "condo commandos."

One association's "condo commando" is another association's eyes and ears.

In our case (though not a condo) we have a complaint-driven violation notification/compliance process. It's not humanly possible for our board to "police" our neighborhood of 600 residents and we don't have a management company to do it.

We have to rely on the residents to care enough about the investment they made in their own homes to respect the controlling documents and expect compliance from not only themselves but their neighbors.

It's not being "nosy" as some would like to imply, or actually outright state, it's being a responsible resident.

Our documents state that every member is responsible for enforcement. Most won't directly confront a neighbor when there is a board that can act as the enforcement arm. However someone needs to let the board know when there may be a violation.

If someone doesn't care enough about their own investment that they will let violations that will erode that investment continue simply because they want to "mind their own business," then I have no sympathy for them when the neighborhood goes into decline, as it inevitably will, if restrictions are not enforced.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/11/2010 11:31 AM  
Donna and Michele, Oh, if we were all perfect. Michele, I referred to you as Michele once and Susan once. Woe on me.

But both your responses are full of reason, as usual and several good ideas and observations were made by both of you, as always. Not that I have buttered you up, forgive the expression, I don't claim ownership, it just came to mind, I do think the reference to the Condo Commando did not indicate this sorry soul would be likely to take the soft glove approach. I have a long history of being a Commando (I was called the xxxxxhaven Cop.)after years of looking back I think I did more good than bad. Being nice did not seem to mitigate the effect you have on some people when they elect to think NO ONE can tell them what to do. I have always encouraged homeowners to pay attention to what goes on with their property, now if they elect to let people trash it, then signs, boards, whatever is not going to help. That makes this association membership and mutual responsibility the core of living in the association.
AnnaD2
(Florida)

Posts:948


05/11/2010 3:13 PM  
Alex, now that everyone has given their opinions about "children", "adults", "signs" etc, I'm going back to your original question.

We DO have rules concerning "people" riding bikes, scooters, trikes, skates, skateboards and other such toys on sidewalks. Our rules prohibit the use of any of those types of "vehicles" or "toys" on ANY sidewalks, walkways, breezeways or in the pool area.

They do NOT prohibit people from using those items in the parking lot. Residents here are REALLY p---ed about having kids AND adults being able to dart in and out between parked cars and riding while people are trying to enter and exit the property.

It's unreal, but every time we bring this up there are parents who actually ENCOURAGE their children to engage in such dangerous behavior. We can't control ignorance. It's amazing how many adults see no problem with their children playing in traffic.

Yet the rules prohibiting such behavior on the common area sidewalks and walkways and breezeways is that people entering and exiting their FRONT DOORS should have the expectation that they will not have to encounter a "person" zipping by on a "toy" at breakneck speed.

We all share "common" walkways as soon as we step outside. I personally got knocked on my butt when I took one step outside my front door to go to work. A "person" riding a skateboard crashed into me. I got knocked to the ground (cement), broke a toe and the "person" almost got knocked over the railing.

From a liability, safety, and "common sense" view you CAN make rules about those common areas. Alex I hope you're still reading these posts since I noticed your original one was from March. It was resserected from someone who just wanted to be mean.

P.S. Robert---I'll expect to get a "dressing down" from you shortly. It seems that every time I post anything you tend to go on a personal attack about what I have to say. I'm still here---but I do not post very often because of your "negative" attitude about my comments. I know you live in a "swanky" condo community...I do not. I've had my challenges and have learned so much from everyone here. I only post "experiences" and "suggestions"...and I'm one of the "underdog communities". I see myself in many "new" posters, here...and I like to think I can help them out in some way.
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/11/2010 4:07 PM  
Anna,
You comments directed to me come as a surprise and the first of this sort I received, as far as I can remember. Living in a "swanky" condo hardly describes where I live. However , I have to admit I don't know what I wrote about you, I am sure I responded to a message that was posted on the Board. Attaching your name to some kind of vendetta is just not there my friend. Of course I am distressed if I upset you and you certainly have taken me out of character with your description. However, I absolutely will not believe I picked you for some kind of personal attack. If whatever you wrote and you posted under Joe, I would respond to that post.
I offer my apology if I have offended you, I do not offer any apology for what I wrote.............I have no conflict that is personal........

Give it some time Anna, I am sure you think you have nailed me dead center, or you would not have written what you did, but if I am the one that is keeping you from posting your thoughts on this site, may I suggest your reason is not worthy of the action you are taking.
AlexL1
(Florida)

Posts:305


05/12/2010 8:19 AM  
AnnaD2: I had to smile when you asked if i was still observing comments in view that my original comment was long ago... YES... still observing.. By the way, I liked your comments very well....... One family here puzzles me the most... I wonder sometime if they REALLY are hoping their little kids get killed or hurt so they can sue because those kids are in the traffic area darting on small ride-able toy things IN and OUT and not even looking for cars.
AlexL1
(Florida)

Posts:305


05/12/2010 8:21 AM  
Michelle: VERY WELL put
AnnaD2
(Florida)

Posts:948


05/12/2010 4:11 PM  
Alex...I SWEAR we must live in the SAME complex, because every time we bring this up, there are parents who encourage their children to play in traffic because there "are no rules" saying they can't play in the street. What morons! Yes Robert, I said that. There are people who WILL subject their children to harm because there are no rules saying that they don't specifically have to take responsibility for their children getting hurt.

It's amazing. I know how you feel Alex---because the people driving in and backing out should not have to have their heads on a "sivel" to make sure kids aren't acting like...."kids". But we have just as many adults driving in and out on bikes (to go to work) that also should be responsible for their own safety.....

It goes on and on........
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/13/2010 10:18 AM  
Anna,
I appreciate you providing me with this information. I would suggest that you relay this information to the folks you are calling "morons". That way you would achieve maximum efforts for your choice of words. Incidently, I have said much worse to a few select individuals. I must say it is not the smartest thing I have ever done.


JoelM1
(Pennsylvania)

Posts:61


05/13/2010 10:34 AM  
Posted By AnnaD2 on 05/12/2010 4:11 PM
..... I know how you feel Alex---because the people driving in and backing out should not have to have their heads on a "sivel" to make sure kids aren't acting like...."kids"....




There are no possible rules, or quality of parenting that would make it unnecessary for drivers to have their heads on "swivels" when driving in or backing out of a location. A driver's sense of awareness should be the same whether they are in an area that has no kids, or whether they are in an area full of kids.
PatsyO2
(California)

Posts:14


05/16/2010 9:58 AM  
Recently I complained to board that my next door neighbor's nephew (8 years old with ADD) was riding on a motorized skate board sometimes unsupervised. I was so fearful because we have blind spots around this townhouse community. A guard told me that someone reported that the child almost got hit by a resident. The board finally did something by posting this flyer, "Children should be supervised while bicycle riding, roller skating, skateboard riding or tricyle riding."

Then just last week I was walking my dog and heard a neighbor complain to a father of 7-8 year old children that he almost hit one of them with his car while they were riding their scooter.

I don't know about laws but I just would hate to see any person irrespective of being a child/adult be hurt at our community for unsafe activities.

Why is it wrong to use the word children are banned/prohibited (Fair Housing Act.)?
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671


05/16/2010 3:31 PM  

Patsy,

Banning Children is considered discrimination against a person according to FHA
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/17/2010 4:49 AM  
You can ban the activity without running into problems. It's when you start banning certain people (or classes of people, such as children, for example) that you start getting into discriminatory practices.

Trust me, adults can be just as irresponsible engaging in the activity as children can be, so why single out children?

Besides, there are no laws that will protect the children from accidents. The laws simply add another layer under which the parent can be deemed irresponsible for not providing proper supervision if an accident happens.
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/17/2010 5:22 AM  
Michele,
I would suggest the laws are already in place. I am sure that the owners of each unit are responsible for the conduct of anyone in the household, be they children or not children. I would think that is just about universal. And as you say, you can make rules but any rules have to apply to everyone, but the authority falls to the owner.
PatsyO2
(California)

Posts:14


05/17/2010 10:25 AM  
MicheleD,

I remember at a board meeting a discussion about infants in the jacuzzi with diapers. They said they can't post a sign saying no infants with diapers because it was discrimatory. My brother-in-law came to visit and he refuses to wear Depends. Oh, my gosh he would wet his pants and even pooped in his pants in my brother's car.

I have to admit since they posted the notice about children must be supervised by an adult while bicyling and etc. there hasn't been any complaints/incidences.

I agree adults can be just as careless. I was clowning around while roller blading and ran smack into a wall- good thing I had protective gear on.

Patsy02
HallieG


Posts:0


05/28/2010 1:43 PM  
People especially OLD ones don't remember that they used to ride bikes all over when they were young! And PLAY outside! Now because they are old and nosy they want to control the safety of kids riding bikes and playing! Here is a BIG HINT - Get a life! Keep your nose out of the childrens play time you already had your chance where you could run free wherever you wanted! You have now become the crazy person everyone hates in the neighborhood!
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671


05/28/2010 1:51 PM  

Hey There Miss Hallie,

That was not nice and uncalled for. This site is for Board members , Managers and committee people who try to have their number one concern for their HOAs. This is a problem solving site and not a venting blog. Sorry, but you must find some place else to blow off steam. Just remember this post when you turn 70.
HallieG


Posts:0


05/28/2010 2:04 PM  
Well you might want to reconsider your familial discrimination views! You will end up in court!
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/28/2010 2:06 PM  
Posted By HallieG on 05/28/2010 2:04 PM
Well you might want to reconsider your familial discrimination views! You will end up in court!

Not likely, Snowflake. Fear monger much?

If you want to have your kids play unfettered by rules and safety issues, then move into the country.

Buh-bye.
HallieG


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05/28/2010 3:14 PM  
Can a Landlord Forbid Children from Skateboarding, Riding Bikes, and Playing at Our Complex?

Many landlords attempt to limit the activity of children by simply forbidding playing at the complex altogether. These types of rules may be illegal. What courts look to with these types of rules is the impact of the rule. If the rule has a significantly disproportionate impact upon one protected group of individuals (for example, children), then the rule will be unlawful. For example, if there is a rule that forbids all tenants from riding bicycles, skateboarding, skating, and playing with balls, then that rule will have a significantly disproportionate impact upon children. For they are the ones who ride bikes, skateboard, skate, and play with balls.
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164


05/28/2010 3:18 PM  
Hallie, my child,
And I truly mean that. Best you go somewhere else.

You do not know it now, but soon....very soon....ending in court will be the last and least thing on your mind. Very soon you will be wondering what you are going to do with the rest of your life. You will be concerned with having to go through your house and toss out your loved ones belongings. Your children will be with you trying to give you support at this sad, sad, time.
I'm eighty, just about, I am still capable of knowing your tirade is simply petty juvenile proclamations, screaming in the darkness. Go to another site, give it some time and the next time you blink your eyes, drop by again. You will find you are the person you have so unjustly violated.

I hear what you are saying, you are just not far enough down the road to explain it.
HallieG


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05/28/2010 3:29 PM  
Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75 Benjamin Franklin- Go volunteer at the local shelter do something good with your life
RobertR1
(South Carolina)

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05/28/2010 3:34 PM  
Hallie my child,
You missed again.
HallieG


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05/28/2010 3:34 PM  
Robert - You should be a writer I love it!
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

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05/28/2010 3:36 PM  

Hallie,

Best that you say "BYE BYE" The monitor has been notified that you are not playing by the rules.
HallieG


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05/28/2010 3:38 PM  
Good you people are crazy! I was going to try to unsubscribe have fun!
HallieG


Posts:0


05/28/2010 3:38 PM  
Donna 4,000 posts shows you need to get a life!
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

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05/28/2010 3:41 PM  

To All Us Crazy Posters,

Don't play the game with her----as much fun as it could be. We have gone for months without being insulted and I rather did enjoy that.

JohnF12
(Florida)

Posts:3


05/28/2010 9:57 PM  
I believe it is true, taking into consideration the original wording was "ban children from riding their skateboards, bicycles, etc",

If the word children is changed to everyone, then I would agree with you, however, caution must be exercised because if someone complains. Then the local department of human rights / hud may or may not determine that it is discrimination, depending on whether the rules realistically apply to only children even though children are not specified, or equally apply to everyone. I wouldn't want to even guess what would happen.

I agree with your comments regarding whether the rules can or can not be created in certain areas. Our association has some private roads, which are common area, none of which have sidewalks. Rules can be made about those roads. We also have a few public roads that all do have sidewalks, and all of those right of ways, including the sidewalks, are city property, and we cannot make rules about them.
JohnF12
(Florida)

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05/28/2010 10:05 PM  
Clarification: The prior post was in response to the post by MicheleD (Kentucky) Posted on 5/10/2010 9:14:22 AM
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

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05/29/2010 6:45 AM  

John,

I do think that others also suggested removing the "children" wording and just make it for all ages. As we read a few posts above, targeting children is considered discriminatory by some, especially Mothers who have the children who would be most likely to ride skateboards. Us old people (I guess 50 is old) would not be on the skateboards. It is funny tho that Malls, restaurants and most public areas ban the boards as well so why target old people trying to protect the kids and themselves from injuries and damages when they kill a kid.
DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671


05/29/2010 6:53 AM  

Just for everyone's information,

I have earned my over 4800 posts in a period of more than 7 years. My life is full.
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/29/2010 8:25 AM  
Posted By JohnF12 on 05/28/2010 10:05 PM
Clarification: The prior post was in response to the post by MicheleD (Kentucky) Posted on 5/10/2010 9:14:22 AM

Sorry, John, you missed as well, too.

The TROLL POSTER was simply trying to scare or intimidate, and most certainly insult, people into buying into her bullsh*t.

Others have brought you up to date on the thread.

Bans such as advised can and do stand, when not directed to any particular group.

The Special Snowflake that is Hallie needs to find other boards on which to rant and rail against the machine.

You know, the ones that anti-HOA trolls like to frequent, because this is not that site.

MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/29/2010 8:27 AM  
Posted By JohnF12 on 05/28/2010 9:57 PM
We also have a few public roads that all do have sidewalks, and all of those right of ways, including the sidewalks, are city property, and we cannot make rules about them.

That's too bad, because we can -- and ours have been upheld in courts.


AlexL1
(Florida)

Posts:305


05/29/2010 8:28 AM  
It appears as if I have created a turf war over my original question long ago... so I am the guilty one and will accept full responsibility.... How many lashes will I receive???
MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491


05/29/2010 8:34 AM  
Posted By AlexL1 on 05/29/2010 8:28 AM
It appears as if I have created a turf war over my original question long ago... so I am the guilty one and will accept full responsibility.... How many lashes will I receive???

Not to worry, Alex. Trolls just like to bash. She/it will be leaving soon.
LisaD6
(Connecticut)

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11/02/2019 5:40 PM  
mention by anyone. includes all not just children
GenoS
(Florida)

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11/03/2019 11:05 AM  
Lisa, this thread is 10 years old.
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