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RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
We typically have at our meetings (4 meetings plus annual meeting) an open forum to allow homeowners to coive concerns, questions, suggestions, etc.

We've never figured out a good position for this to be on the agenda. Our property manager has said that is should be either at the beginning or ennd of the meeting and that the secretary is not required to take minutes or notes for this open forum.

I view the open forum as a positive things, although I do agree the board needs to be able to direct the forum in a manner that does not allow for one topic to overtake the meeting.

I searched HOATalk for homeowners open forum. I didn't come up with a lot of hits...maybe my search words were wrong.

But, I'm curious...Does your association have open forums for owners?...How often to you have these forums (once a year, every meeting)?...where on your meeting agenda does the open forum take place and are meeting minutes kept?

Rick

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Rick we allow the H/O's that attend the monthly Board meetings up to five minutes at the end of the meeting to speak on any topic covered in the meeting. If they have a specific question or want to address the Board on a specific item we ask that they contact the MC so they can be put on the agenda. In addition two or three times a year we have "Open Forum" meetings where everyone is welcome, owner or renter to ask questions, make suggestions, complain etc.

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DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Although we've never had any HOs come, our regular montly board meeting agendas all have an entry for Homeowner Forum. HOs are asked to call the MC to get put specifically on the agenda in advance at which time they would be told a general time limit for their address and that they should not necessarily expect answers/resolution from the board at that time. This is an opportunity more for them to address the board with their concerns and issues.

We are considering for our Annual Meeting this year having homeowers supply specific questions in advance for the board to address at the meeting -- sort of a town hall thing, but we haven't worked through the details or decided for sure.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Rick,

Every open meeting of the Board, the ARB and at the annual meeting, a place is slotted for new business. This is the appropriate time for everyone to ask any question or voice a concern. Notes are taken during this time frame as the meeting would not of ended and minutes should be kept.

If a member has enough interest to attend a board meeting, they are invited to join in every discussion that is brought up. They don't have a vote, but the ideas gotten from homeowners have offered many good alternatives to various issues.

Hope this helps,

Tim
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Rick you asked where in the meeting the "Open Forum" should go. A former Board member moved across the river to a community in KY where they held the open part of the meeting first and the meetings ran forever. (hyperbolic exaggeration) That is until she pointed out that most of the questions the H/O's asked were actually covered in the meetings so they moved the Q&A to the end and since most of the questions were already addressed in the meeting they ended much sooner.

Michele please note although I implied things in the Blue Grass were bass ackward I didn't actually say it.

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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We have ours at the beginning of the meeting, after the call to order and the security officer's report. It's limited to 10 minutes. We have another session for 5 minutes at the end of the meeting just before adjournment.

To keep things in some sort of order, residents are limited to general comments or questions - not individual maintenance requests or issues concerning delinquencies (those folks NEVER come to meetings anyway). After the forum, we don't take any comments or questions from the floor until the second session.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Our "open forum" is held right after the call to order. If there are any members present, the Pres will ask that they introduce themselves and asks if they have anything to say. Oftentimes it is a member who wants to appeal an A/C request or to complain about an issue. The member is heard and addressed accordingly. The minutes do reflect the member's name, what their issue was and how it was handled. IAW AZ HOA law, members are also allowed to comment on an issue b/4 a board vote is taken. We have never had this happen. In fact, most members leave the meeting immediately after they have their say, even though they are told they are welcome to stay.
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Hi Rick,

We are townhouse-style condos under a HOA, and, also part of a Master HOA (condos and single family homes). For both HOA boards’ meetings - the open forum at all noticed board meetings is held prior to the call to order. When we send the required notice of meeting to the HOs, with the date, time, location, we also state that an open HO forum is held 15” prior to the start of the board meeting for any HO questions or concerns. We hold the open forum prior to the meeting because when HOs do attend, many do not usually want to sit through the entire meeting.

Our condo HOA meets 7X/year, Master HOA 4X/year (the annual meeting is held same evening as 1 board meeting). No minutes are taken for the HO forum; but when a question is asked or concern raised, the PM will make a note for follow up with the HO.

We have gone over the 15” when needed, but this has occurred only a few times over the past 13 years or so since turnover. When the HO forum is ending, any HOs present are thanked for attending and told that they are welcome to stay and listen as the board conducts their meeting, but that it is not open to their participation. In addition, we have on a few occasions allowed a HO question during the board meeting when someone indicated they had a question.

Our HOA board meetings rarely have HO attendance, though. As a matter of fact, we rarely obtain a quorum for the annual meeting (election) – but that is another issue which has been well discussed on HOATalk.

Hope this helps,
Bonnie
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Our Resident Input is at the beginning of the meeting. Question/concern entered into the minutes and some kind of plan of action noted.

Most don't stay after that since they think the meetings are boring.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

All of our open to the members discussions come after the meetings. Fl. meeting requirement state that any item addressed at the meetings must be on an agenda and posted prior to the meetings.

Any situations or problems which are brought up by the members is normally something that the Board cannot act or vote on during the meeting anyhow without being on the agenda. The open discussions will result in the Board noteing the subject of the discussion and tableing it until further discussions or studying is completed.

And as always, there can possibly be emergency issues which are dealt with immediately after the meeting is ajourned.

And as Glen said, time limit is always an issue when you open up a meeting for general discussion. Some members come to hear what the Board is doing or has to say and want no part of an open forum so it considerate to them to hold the formal meeting first.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Just a side note re: our development:

Our board meetings are generally closed. We are only required to have quarterly board meetings, and are not required to have them "open."

When I and another board member cycle in as president, we usually make about 4 meetings a year "open" and schedule them on the weekend.

This last meeting (about 3 weeks ago) was the first open meeting after the announcement of an assessment increase.

We expected the attendance to be quite high, so we secured a location that used to be a court room at our local government center.

Much to our shock, we had 5 properties represented. Five. Out of over 600 residents.

Then we also had to "extraneous" attendees, one was a police officer whom we invited to share some local crime stats, and the other was a representative from a local waste management company who is vying to get our development's contract (when and if we ever move to single-provider trash pickup).

One other odd thing to note, usually we have assessment payment stragglers well into the assessment year, upwards of three months late. Our assessments are generally due on January 1 of the year over which they cover.

We sent the notices out early because of the increase, and to allow for time to have the meeting to discuss them.

We have a record number of assessments paid already. I have no idea why.

We will head into the due date with less than one-third of our assessments outstanding.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Edits:

"Then we also had to "extraneous" attendees,. . . "

Should be:

"Then we also had two "extraneous" attendees,. . . "

We have monthly board meetings, even though we are only required to have one quarterly.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
At the beginning of the meeting so homeowners don't have to sit through the entire meeting.
Jeanne
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
Many experts on organizations have concluded that openness is favorable to good governance. People don't trust actions that occur behind closed doors even if they elect not to attend the open meetings. Florida calls these "sunshine laws"; Arizona "blue sky". All states have adopted Open Meetings and Freedom of Information Acts.

Some states have extended those requirements to owners associations. Below is an excerpt from Florida Law CHAPTER 720, HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS
Β§720.303(2) BOARD MEETINGS.--

(a) A meeting of the board of directors of an association occurs whenever a quorum of the board gathers to conduct association business. All meetings of the board must be open to all members except for meetings between the board and its attorney with respect to proposed or pending litigation where the contents of the discussion would otherwise be governed by the attorney-client privilege. The provisions of this subsection shall also apply to the meetings of any committee or other similar body when a final decision will be made regarding the expenditure of association funds and to meetings of any body vested with the power to approve or disapprove architectural decisions with respect to a specific parcel of residential property owned by a member of the community.

(b) Members have the right to attend all meetings of the board and to speak on any matter placed on the agenda by petition of the voting interests for at least 3 minutes. The association may adopt written reasonable rules expanding the right of members to speak and governing the frequency, duration, and other manner of member statements, which rules must be consistent with this paragraph and may include a sign-up sheet for members wishing to speak. β€’ β€’ β€’

Given that all states have OM and FOI Acts, it is likely that the same principles will be applied to homeowner association laws as they are enacted and improved.

Florida law requires that owners/members be allowed to speak on any agenda item for 3 minutes, but does not specify when during the meeting. My preference is that the board ask for inputs from owners/members at the beginning of each agenda item and also allow owners/members to speak after the board discussion. This ensures that the board will be advised of any points they may not have included in their discussion. Since the decisions of the board affect the owners/members, they should have the opportunity to express their views. The overall time is controlled by the chair who has the authority to impose the 3-minute limit.

As to a general open forum not limited to the agenda, it could be at the beginning or the end of the meeting. The beginning time may be more predictable for those who don't want to sit through the whole meeting.

As a practical matter. the Board of Commissioners in my county practices what I have described. Any resident can speak on an agenda item during any part of the Board discussion with recognition by the chair. It works fine. Residents respect the opportunity to speak and to be relevant. An Open Forum is also available at the end of the meeting for any subject.

MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
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Posted By DonN on 11/16/2009 2:35 PM
Many experts on organizations have concluded that openness is favorable to good governance. People don't trust actions that occur behind closed doors even if they elect not to attend the open meetings. Florida calls these "sunshine laws"; Arizona "blue sky". All states have adopted Open Meetings and Freedom of Information Acts.
If I understand your meaning, all states have moved toward Open Meetings laws in some form and context, but many have yet to adopt such laws in statutes that apply to HOAs.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michael,

Don is referring to the open meeting laws that apply to public bodies. Many people confuse these laws thinking they also apply to HOAs but they do not. Open meeting laws that apply to HOA would be found in the HOA statutes. Many states have no HOA-specific statutes at all; some have only condo statutes and others have statutes for both condos and planned communities. However, even those states that do have HOA statutes do not all have an open meeting law.
AZ, FL and CA are a few that do. I believe the AZ open meeting law is the only one that specifically calls for allowing members the opportunity to speak at a board meeting and also the opportunity to speak before an item is voted on by the board.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Thanks for the help, Mary.

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