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LibbyQ
(Texas)

Posts:7

09/11/2006 2:17 PM
Last May 60 neighbors in our community voted to create a new neighborhood organization, it's not an HOA, but I am asking for help from you anyway. A group of four gals created a neighborhhod group and have 6 or so active volunteer committees with apppointed leaders by themem. Volunteers were approved at the meeting for the nominations and bylaws commitees. I volunteered for both. The leader for this initiative, I'll refer to her as "JR", had opened her own Yahoo message board (MB) in January 2006, it now has 180 neighbor members. She is the owner and moderator of this MB. She uses the name of our neighborhood, I'll refer to it as CNA, in her email addresses. Although there are two moderators listed on her MB, with CNA Yahoo IDs and emails, JR coneals the fact that she is both moderators. Members assume she is some authority,is in a leadership postition or is a person from whom they will receive accurate information about the neighborhood indlucgin the follwing: uploads documents she creates on her MB, unauthorized uploads of bylaws drafts that have not been even read, let alone amended/edited by the other bylaws committee members, posting invitations to invite anyone to join he already established bylaws committee, also without any bylaws commitee mebers approval or notice, and posts or uploads documents to the MB with information from about a specific committee, wihtout the committee chair's or committee member's approval AND she is not even on their committee! No matter what people say to her or how they might reprimand her verabally, and few are willing to do so, she continues to act as the self-imposed dictator of the neighborhood committtes and the foramtion of this new organization. No officers have been elected, so we have no real leader, only committees. It might not surprise you that JR nominated herself for the executive committee/leadership of this new organization. Dozens of neighbors realize she has a personal/professional agenda. If the bylaws she wrote are approved, she will becomne dictator of the new oprganization. After 4 out of 5 bylaws committee members had already agreed to a 5p Sunday meeting, JR emailed committee members with demands for a meeting on Sat at 9AM, less than 24 hours before the meeting time. Three of us were never cosulted about the chagne inthe mnemting time, she simply took it upon herself to chagne it and send out notice of HER singular decsion. JR brought another person, call her PC, to the bylaws meeting and told us that she was joing the committee. The other three committee members looked at each other puzzled and told Judith that this was unacceptable. Judith insisted that the agreement at the general membership meeting was to allow for up to 13 more volunteers on the bylaws committee! None of us could agree to this, but she badgers and continues her arguemnt, anad "brow beats" (words used by a retired attorney who was another bylaws member who worked with JR and I since May) He has refused to work with JR and has removed himself from bylaws). No formal vote was taken from the bylaws committee to accept PR, a friend of JR's on the zoning board, however Judith has placed her intoour emailcorrespondence inssiting sheis a member. What can we do to stop her fromdoing this? In the meeting, we had two bylaws drafts, one authored by JR and and another authored by the other two members of the bylaws committee( a majority of the committee), myself and the retired attorney. JR's bylaws should never even have been considered at the general membership meeting for submission for reveiw as it was not a product of the bylaws committee, it was her personal agenda bylaws draft. A new volunteer member had composed a third set of bylaws, she was the former president of the old organization. Now we have three sets of bylaws drafts to examine, discuss, amend and scavange from to crete One bylaws document to submit to the membership. During this meeting we couldn't even get through accepting Article I: Title of the Organization. JR wanted to keep her name CN Stakeholders and others wanted CN Organization. We accomplished nothing to further the creation of the final set of bylaws. The membership is scheduled to vote on the bylaws November 16, 9 weeks from now, and we need to deliver them to each neighbor before the meeting sothey can read and decide if they are willing to accept each article. How many weeks before members vote on bylaws shoudl the bylaws be delivered to them for review? Since we have approxiamtely 15 articles in eachof thethree bylaws drafts, and the committee couldn't decide on the name of the organization , Article I. in their first meeting, how long do you think it iwill take us to create ONE set of bylaws from the three drafts? At this rate, I say more than 9 weeks,with JR in the picture maybe nine years!!!!!!! So, first meeting, non-,e,ber attends and JR insist she allowed to be a member. I couldn't tell ehr to leave a public place, whcih is probablythe reson JR insisted on meeting at a coffee shop instead of my home. At the coffe shop it is noisy and music is playing and thereis no proivacy while we discuss these committee matters. Is it inapporpirate for a bylaws committee to meet in such a public place where other people, who might even by our neighbors, can listen to our "discussions"? Not a single article was confirmed and voted for approval for the final bylaws. I had a list for the agenda to include coting ona leader, deciding on aquroum of 3, accepting the use of Robert's Rules of Order for parlimentary procedure and questins as to how to proceed, and a request for the 3 great resources that JR said she found and used to singularly create her "Power to the Leader" bylaws. None of these things were deterined, with the exception that some agreed to have no leader at all. A big mistake in my opinion. It is advised in Robert's Rules to Impossible to have this committee wihtout a leader, If members vote to appoint JR as the leader, then we should all just go home and let her write her own Final Bylaws draft. JR took "control" of the meeting, by simply disregarding my repeated requests for the organizational names and websites of the three great succesful neighborhood asociations that she used to write her bylaws. Once she disregarded the request by telling me she was looking at something else on the laptop and couldn't access the information at that time. Two other members asked for the same information from JR and she refused by either ignoring their question or saying she would get to it later. After my 3rd or 4th request for this information, she told us it was on her screen. I said "I know you can't print it out, but can you email it to me or simply tell us the organization names and websites and I'll write it down". She simply ignored me and the other two members, changed the screen and began talking abu another subject. No other member simply said "give us the names". This is the person with whom I have had to battle with for almost 4 months. There is no getting her to budge on her bylaws. There is no room for compromise, collaberation of a team for a common goal, as evidence by her submiting bylaws drafts twice inone month without any conusltaiojn with the other members. How is taht even possible? How is it that themembership and the nominees, who took it upon themselves to "Lead" the last general membership meeting won't address these issues that reported to every and any neighbor for whom I had an email adddress. No one cares, and others are "afraid" to PISS HER OFF. Great person to have as a nominee for executive commitee of a neighborhood organizatoin; someone peoplefear and allow to be deceipful, continuing he gross miconduct for moths and months without discipline or support for approaching her and telling her to stop this underhanded behavior, stop taking it upon herself to censor messages from committe members or edit them before posting sothat the irignal message is not from the author, but from JR, the EDITOR of postings on the MB, and block uploads to the MB from specific commitee members. Robert's Rules tells us exactly what to do to start a new organization and appoint a bylaws committee, and how to run the committee, and we are not even using it. I brought my copy to the meeting and the former president member brought three copies, enough for all the members present, and no one seemed to want to use it. God help us, I need advice, help, any feedback is gejuinely apprcaited. Thank you ahead of time for your time. Soory for any TYPOS. hee hee ( :

GeraldT1

Posts:0

09/12/2006 7:05 AM
LibbyQ, I have finally waded my way through your post. So let me get this straight, you live in a single-family neighborhood where 60 neighbors have decided to join a self-appointed and mini-government, originally started by 4 gals, a message board was created and 60 neighbors was tripled to 180. Short and sweet, never understimate the negative impact that the collective decision of a group can have on the individual. God help you all because IMO, the last thing I would do is take part in the farce. It's one thing to start a neighborhood watch, or a committee. IMO no one has any authority to impose your "by-laws of incorporation" upon those that do not wish to partake. IMO, given all the "he said", "she said", the entire thing is innappropriate and should be disbanded. IMO, good intentions have gone bad by escalating into a mini-series parodied off of desperate housewives and harper valley pta. GeraldT1 NNJ

JosephW
(Michigan)

Posts:788

09/12/2006 5:53 PM
Like Gerald, I had to read this a couple times and I'm still not sure I've got it right. Basicall you created a neighborhood "block club" which ahs various competing sets of bylaws and up to 180 members. Since its not an HOA, none of the bylaws or documents will "run with the land" and so will membership will remain voluntary. Here's a couple different scenarios to think about: 1) Go to the state capital, incorporate your organization as a non-profit, with the name you picked, your bylaws and your people as the board of directors. Go back home, put up your own web site and ignore her from there on out. Incorporation is cheap. And just for the fun of it, register the name she wants as a dba, so she can't use it. 2) Call a meeting at your house, and when she tries to re-schedule it, just say your sorry she can't be there, but no. Prep the other attendees to also turn down her request for a change. Whether or not she shows up, settle the bylaw issue, and mail it out the next day. You should give people 30 days between the announcement of the meeting and the actual meeting, but since you just wrote the bylaws, you can actually set any time you want that isn't in conflict with state laws. See if you can find a local parliamentarian to chair the meeting, to remove the potential of a wrestling match at the podium and hold your meeting. Be prepared for her to send out her own mailing or to blast you via the web site. Make sure your letter says that it is the "offical" notice (of what I'm still not sure). This is basically a confrontational choice, gather your troops and steamroll over her. 3) If you want to be accomodating, match the sections from each of the proposed bylaws, set up a ballot that says to the voter, "choose one for each section" and see if what choose will work. Then hold yuor meeting and elections according to the bylaws you just put together and move on from there. Joe

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GeraldT1

Posts:0

09/12/2006 8:08 PM
JosephW, Let me ask you, what is the purpose of incorporation, what purpose will these meetings serve? Who needs more confrontation, and gathering the troops to steamroll over what? If it's themselves, I'll join just for the sake of laughing. Talk about delusions of grandeur. Could you imagine being one of the owners in what you thought was a single-family, non-hoa community and putting up with this crap? Is this wayward group of self-appointed proletarians going to form an ARC? GeraldT1 NNJ

JosephW
(Michigan)

Posts:788

09/12/2006 8:56 PM
There are tons of neighborhood community associations around that don't get into ARC or mandatory membership, but deal with zoning issues, local park improvements, crime issues, and other areas of concern to the nieghborhood; and were formed years after the homes were built. Think civic association format, at least that's what it sounded like they were forming. Joe

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LibbyQ
(Texas)

Posts:7

09/12/2006 11:00 PM
Thank you Joe for your patience and kindness in helping me. I cannot tellyou what is means to me. (: The self-appointed leader created a MB in January and after coercing the Newsletter Editor into publishing the message board name and location in the July newlsletter, membership skyrocketed. This provides her with a 180 name database to whch she can send her propoganda. JR, the dictator used the Editor to acquire a larger audience she could control on the MB she owns. JR lists that there are two moderators for he MB when they are both her, the same person who owns it. JR conceals her identity but demands that any MB member must reveeal their email address. This is the latest submission from the "owner of the MB, JR"she conceals her identity) Please, any and eveyone who might read this message, I would LOVE to hear your feedback about this MB owner, JR insisting on regulating and seeking CONTROL over MB submissions and feeling it is appropriate to send a messge to 180 MB members with Do's and Don'ts. I thought I was an adult. My mother hasn't given me a list of do's and don't to dictate what I say, write and share with other adults in I won't tell you how many years 'cause I won't disclose my sge!!! hee hee. I'm feeling JR"s desperation in her mesage below. How 'bout you? Please let me know what you think and what the other MB members might be thinking when they read this "Conduct" message. Thanks you sooooooooooooo much. --- In CopperfieldNeighbor@yahoogroups.com, "copperfieldneighborhood" <Copperfield@...> wrote: > > Dear Neighbors, > > It has become necessary to distribute more detailed guidelines as to > the purpose & use of our neighborhood message board (MB). In > addition to the messages neighbors are sent upon requesting MB > membership and upon joining it, as well as to our monthly neighborly > message that acts as a reminder, there may soon be a PDF document > for users and/or prospective users of this vehicle of neighborhood > communication that will further delineate netiquette for the sake of > those who wish to continue communicating without having to resort to > moderator approval of all members' messages. > > Among those additional Dos & Don'ts that will be spelled out for > those who require it: > DO courteously express relevant viewpoints - similar or divergent to > others', share timely news & bring up pertinent subjects, direct > responses to the appropriate individual member(s) or a moderator > unless it is for the benefit of all members and there is reason to > expect they wish to read it, and discuss anything & everything > relating to our neighborhood, taking care to consider others here > and help perpetuate mutual respect. > DON'T bombard members here with messages containing massive text in > the body of a message, use this vehicle as a soapbox to attack > anyone, make serious accusations and/or launch full-fledged > campaigns against anyone, broadcast your personal problems with > others, propagate divisive & subversive tactics which infect us with > negativity, or otherwise spread dissension among our neighbors and > throughout our neighborhood. > > Ours is an unmoderated MB in that members are free to post at will > without each message having to wait for approval by a moderator. > Thus far the moderator has refrained from taking the extreme action > that is available to ban any member, choosing instead to moderate > messages of a very few who have abused the privilege of > communicating with the rest of us. > > Those who have been making good use of our MB and have indicated an > understanding of netiquette and respected each other all along, and > who are in the overwhelming majority here, are greatly appreciated. > > On another note, a couple of neighbors have been demanding access to > the attendance sheets from our last 2 big neighborhood meetings, > containing contact data for neighbors who signed in including house > addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses. Such information > that was forthcoming from attendees with the expectation that their > confidentiality would be honored can rest assured that those > documents are steadfastly protected. In addition to providing each > team its own sign-up sheet for both meetings, some applicable > contact info from the meeting attendance sign-in sheets was promptly > turned over to the respective team leaders per interests noted by > neighbors who attended. However, the attendance sheets that were > produced and are maintained by the coordinator of both meetings (May > 16th & August 31st) will continue to be held in the strictest > confidence so that neighbors who may step up to participate or get > involved, or who just show up for a meeting, need have no fear. > > One more thing: Some good neighbors with a strong sense of service > have stepped up to the plate in leadership roles. Please let's not > get side-tracked by anyone's pursuit of individual gain, egos, a > need to be popular, or other counterproductive motives and > behaviors. If we're fortunate enough to have neighbors willing to > work, then let's support them, or at least not engage in tearing > them down or driving them away. Let's keep our eye on the prize: A > friendly & powerful neighborhood to preserve and improve our quality > of life. > > Thank you for the pleasure of your company on our MB. > > Respectfully, > Copperfield Moderator > CopperfieldXXXXXXXX-owner@yahoogroups.com. ------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Great idea, Joe, to got to the State and incorporate the name she wants to use. I am in the process of making a new website and setting up a new MB on Yahoo.com. Any suggestions for a name, the neighborhood is known as Copperfield? Friends of Copperfield, Copperfield Neighborhood Stakeholders, the name she wants for the Organization? The day after the first bylaws meeting JR "ordered" he first bylaws meeting with less than 24 hours notice, at a public coffee shop where other neoghbors could have listened to our meeting, (after 4 of 5 members had already agreed to 6pm, Sunday meeting), JR posted this messgae on HER MB without any input or agreemnt from any other bylaws committe members: copperfieldxxxxxxx <Copperfieldxxxxxxx@JR's company name.biz> wrote: Dear Neighbors, At our neighborhood meeting on August 31st it was agreed that the bylaws would benefit by adding to its team volunteers who would aid in their composition, so that we could come up with a document containing rules for running our fledgling organization that would reflect the will of our neighbors and provide a fair and solid structure conducive to organizing a strong, effective, productive, and lasting association. 6 neighbors volunteered and held a meeting to begin this task this weekend, at which time we agreed that our neighborhood would benefit by the addition of at least one more volunteer, perhaps more, taking care not to grow to an unwieldy and counterproductive number. No experience is necessary, although if you have some good experience in the running of a successful organization then we especially hope that you will come forward to help. The time commitment would be 1½-2 hours on Sunday afternoons over the next few weeks, beginning this Sunday, September 17th. Please RSVP by email or phone at your soonest convenience prior to our next bylaws meeting this Sunday: JR's phone number or Bylaws@Jr's business name. biz If you are unable to make the commitment to join our team, but have very useful experience and a desire to help, then you may consider contributing on a consultation basis instead. Respectfully, Bylaws Team Copperfield XXX_XXXX JR asked people tocall her phonenumber, not any other bylaws members Bylaws@ JR's company name. biz (not to any other bylaws members) One of the bylaws committee members submitted this email in reply to the MB posting, JR censored it and has not replied to any phone calls or email requests from any of her bylaws committee members. Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "EXXX RXXXXXXXXX" <xxxx_xxxxx@yahoo.com> Subject: Fwd: Re: [CopperfieldNeighbor] Copperfield help wanted - Bylaws neighbor volunteers To: CopperfieldNXXXXXXX@yahoogroups.com CC: "Libby Quinlan" <libbyquinlan@yahoo.com>, "PXXXX CXXXXXX" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com>, "JR" <bylaws@JR's Company name.biz> Neighbors, there has been a big misunderstanding. If you are interested in volunteering with the Bylaws committee which currently has 6 people, please send your request to ALL the committee members at their individual email address. DO NOT send to Bylaws@JR"S copmpany name.biz because they may not get to the committee. All communication should be directly with the team, not a member since a team leader has NOT been voted on by the team. JR's message went out prematurely without the consent of the rest of the team members. Here is the information of the Bylaws team members: "XXXXXXXXX XXXX" (Libby or myself will make sure XXXXXXXXX gets the information), "'Libby XXXXXXX'" libbyquinlan@yahoo.com, "'XXXX XXXXXXXXX'" xxxx_xxxxx@yahoo.com, CXXXX TXXXXXX (we don't have his email at this time),"JR" Bylaws@Jr's company name.biz, and "PXXXX CXXXXXX" @yahoo.com. Thank you for you time, XXXX XXXXXXXXX, Bylaws Team Member and Communication Team Leader XXX_XXXX Please call me if you have any questions --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Today I emailed a notice of an emergency meeting requiring a receipt to indicate the message was read. I have not received any reply from JR, however three of the five members will be present, one by phone. Is it enough to make a quorum in a bylaws committee with three member? If so, then we can, do as you suggest, settle the bylaw issue, and mail it out the next day. However, FYI, we intend to motion for her removal because of her constant "inappropriate" behavior. Will you give your description of how you would describe JR? I simply can't find the right word(s) 3) I believe, since JR's bylaws were unauthorized, that he committe will simply vote to throw them out. But your advice is taken under consideration. I doknow hat according toRobert's rules, each article and sentence is to be reaad at the general meeting and voted on for acceptance by the membership majoirty vote for each art to be accepted as the final bylaws document. Is that you alls understanding and experience in creating a new organization?

LibbyQ
(Texas)

Posts:7

09/12/2006 11:14 PM
JR has the "OLD" incorporated set of bylaws but refuses to share them with anyone. Her intentionis to write her own bylaws making the leader/presdient dictator, she has already nominated herself for leader and of coure controls the MB, see my reply to JOE. We culd resurrect the old incorporated organizztoin, amend it's bylaws and keep the history and "name recognition" that it has with the various City boards, etc. However, JR doesn't want to resurrect anything. It was JR and JR alone who coordinated the MB, the first general membership meeting in May, throught the use of her PRIVATE MB forum, and JR motioned to vote on organizing a NEW neighborhood association, appointed a bylaws committee from volunteers which of course, included herself, appointed a nominations committee and the beautification, safety, youth, social and planning committees already exsited. It was all set for her to becomne "dictator" 3 months later at hte next general meeting. However, since the retired attorney and I presented a second set of bylaws we had created together as a committee and JR submitted a set she alone created, the membership voted topostpone vtoing on bylaws, therefore there were no elections, even though JR thought we shouldvote for an interum executive committee to guide us through writing the bylaws. SURE?!* NO way baby! But it didn't happen her way and she was livid. Now she is attacking me and other members of the bylaws committee, while schmoozing and sucking up to another telling her of some special plan she has and that she neds the bylaws to be written a ceratin way inorder to achieve her goal, succedd with her agenda. It has something to do with the planning committee and zoning, but JR would not be specific about what her agenda/plan/SCHEME was. The one she is trying to schmooz, knows that JR is blowing smoke up her skirt, and reports to me and another bylaws member about JR's agenda and tells us eveything JR asks her, tells her, etc.

LibbyQ
(Texas)

Posts:7

09/12/2006 11:16 PM
What's an ARC, Area Rifle Club?

LibbyQ
(Texas)

Posts:7

09/12/2006 11:32 PM
We will not be requiring any dues payments, as most people would not pay. We get businees ads and donations to support our low budget committees. There are about 1500 homes in the area and maybe 25% are renters, too many in my opinion. Average home value is about $120K and most people are lower-middle income hard working stiffs or retired folks. I believe JR's intent is to get as many neighbors as possible for the numbers sh needs to PUSH through her zoning and planning agendas. That'a speculation of course. At the bylaws meeting she insitst hat voting priviledges include non-homeowners and three of five disagree. We want the non-homeowners to participate if they wish in any and or all activities, but anly homeowner's with fianfcial investment in the community can vote. JR's mother owns the house shelives in and of course, if we excluded non-homeowners from voting, she couldn't run for office either. So she won't budge on excudign anyone from havign voting priviledges, including business owners, no-profits, we have several churches in our area. Thabks for your insight, keep it coming.Please read the other replies Isent to the other kind people who replied to my message. You know, I can chuckel when one of you refers to this as a soap opera of some sort, but this is my home, my investement, my neighborhood for 11 years and I anticipate at least 11 more. I do not have fifnacial resources to hire aparliamentarian to put JRinher place, nor do I have 180 message board members I can send out factual informatoin about theneighborhood. I am starting one, but would have to hand deliver a noitce of it's name and webiste address to 1500 homes in order to attempt to get members to share community concerns with. I'm not running for office, nor do I want tobe a chair of a committe, ut I commited myself tothe nominatins and bylaws committees and like to keep my commitments. I will not let a perosn like JR drive me away. She drove the retired attorney away, he has refused to participate in anything with JR. We are at risk of losing another bylaws member becaue of the amount of stress JR continues to deliberately sitr up. Do you all have any suggestions? I am open to all. See what the plans are so far in other replies. (:

GeraldT1

Posts:0

09/13/2006 6:58 AM
Posted By JosephW on 09/12/2006 8:56 PM There are tons of neighborhood community associations around that don't get into ARC or mandatory membership, but deal with zoning issues, local park improvements, crime issues, and other areas of concern to the nieghborhood; and were formed years after the homes were built. Think civic association format, at least that's what it sounded like they were forming. Joe JosephW, My opinion regarding the formation and benefit of a neighborhood organization has no relation to the subject and content of this particular post. Some choose to hear what they want, it never ceases to amaze me the impact that the collective decision of a group has upon the individual. IMO you have posted a reply to Libby that will not help. Rather I feel it will fuel the fire, and not temper the flames. As evidenced by the rant of he said/she said banter, and opinion of no bearing on the constitutional rights of citizens, what has formed is quite the opposite of anything beneficial to the investments and safety of a community. A fiasco has resulted, and others, like lemmings, have joined the march of confusion. An example of the delusion of grandeur is three-fold. 1) JR creating a message board that will allow real-time posts while expecting people to exercise proper judgment or netiquette. That’s like giving a teenager the keys to a Ferrari and expecting him/her not to pick up best friends and drag race. 2) Libby and the group combating the message board as if any of it has a degree of authority, motioning for removal from what?? “You are hereby banished from Phonyville”. 3) An opinion that 25% of 1500 homes being rentals is too many. This is a telling example of the downward spiral this farce is to take. An owners need to rent, rahter than sell is based upon a variety of socio-economic variables. Homes that sit empty or are left on the market can be just as detrimental to the resale value of a community as an owner that doesn't maintain their lawn. There are town/borough ordinances that have power to enforce unkempt property. GeraldT1 NNJ

GeraldT1

Posts:0

09/13/2006 7:53 AM
Posted By LibbyQ on 09/12/2006 11:32 PM Do you all have any suggestions? I am open to all. See what the plans are so far in other replies. (: LibbyQ, ARC is architectural review committee, IMO appropriate only in homeowner associations established as such from the outset, not wannabee hoa's or governments such as is being created in your community. There are town/borough ordinances that can enforce homes that are unkempt. It's better to pressure local officials to make sure that neighbors are keeping up with the Jones'. IMO, there are folks in your community that are sufferring from myopia, perhaps caused by staring at computer screens, sending he said/she said emails to the detriment of your investments. The good intentions of 6 gals has turned bad, and is way out of control. Stop the madness, stop the gossip, don't respond to JR's MB, don't mention it in your communications, don't attempt to refute it. Create a neighbhorly newsletter that deals only with what you wish to accomplish. People respond to matters that promote positivity. Accentuate it. I suspect this is not what you want to hear, but that is my opinion and I feel it's justified by the detail you've provided in your posts. Best of luck!! GeraldT1 NNJ

RogerB
(Colorado)

Posts:3725

09/13/2006 7:57 AM
Libby, what is the purpose and goals for this social group? Did I miss the need or desire to establish it? If I was on the Board of the HOA I would recommend either setting this group up as a social committee under control of the HOA or else notify this group of owners "in all of their communications it must be indicated they have no relationship with the association". Perhaps this movement indicates the HOA Board needs more communications with the members. Looks like there are several members willing to participate but need some direction.

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JosephW
(Michigan)

Posts:788

09/13/2006 8:06 AM
Gerald, I guess that when I read her post, I felt it had more to do with how to deal with an alleged "control freak" than about forming an association. When faced with this you have three choices, concede, confront, or go around; hence my answers. As to the purpose of the association, I didn't really care, since it was going to be voluntary, and not mandatory, its impact will only be on those it can convince to join or persuade to follow. I hoped Libby would decide on what to do based on whether she felt that the purpose of the association would be worth the time and effort. As for incorporation, any organization that handles funds for any purpose will have to deal with tax issues and should have the protections and follow the requirements of the state non-profit business codes. Libby: ARC means Architectural Control - rules on appearance of homes and property, a major part of most mandatory membership homeowner associations. Joe

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LauraP
(Tennessee)

Posts:17

09/13/2006 10:18 AM
Hi, my name is Laura and I am new to this website can someone help or answer a quesion. i am trying to find out about the statues, or laws in Tennessee. Is it required for the Board/for condos to have a speaker phone for attending meetings of Budgets or change in assessments? does anyone know-or can you help???? sorry to butt-in...

GeraldT1

Posts:0

09/13/2006 11:03 AM
Joe, IMO, the substance of the post evidences it's about disgruntled control freaks forming an innapropriate and already dysfunctional hoa. Ironic they are complaining about a supposed "dictator" when they themselves are self-appointed. IMO they have no business spamming a community with unsolicited mail. If I was living there and received their junk mail seeking membership in a wayward hoa, they'd be hearing from me and my attorney on the grounds they are seeking to impose their by-laws upon my deed and title to property, or something to that effect. I have to be honest, I was under the impression this site was HOATalk, for members, volunteers, etc. in hoa communities, not NonHOATalk. Though I do appreciate the read because it evidences just how scary some communities really are. GeraldT1 NNJ

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