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GeorgerwilliamsW
(Indiana)

Posts:975

01/16/2009 7:47 AM
Here is the corrected link to the Milwaukee Ridge report, incorrectly provided in my earlier post: http://texas.ahrc.com/engine.php/submission;page=input,action=display,id=675

DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671

01/16/2009 7:54 AM
George, You posted---"Perhaps the next step for some associations is to revise the covenants to mandate that all homeowners register their e-mail addresses just as they do their mailing address or face fines or other sanctions. " The responses all understood the word "PERHAPS" as meaning maybe or possibly. All of the responses meant "if they did" this is how we feel about this. I am glad that you like amusing us.

EllenS1
(Florida)

Posts:1148

01/16/2009 10:14 AM
George, Only in Texas. This assumes guilty until proven innocent. Sort of like what stores do now with those plastic things they put on clothes to avoid shoplifting and I resent it since I do not shoplift. Our hoa learned we had a sexual predator that moved in with his brother. The sheriff's office notified the adjacent neighbors. We went to court and he was forced to move. Now his brother, if he had a background check, would have not shown any criminal behavior. Our landscaping company had hired a sexual offender and we let them know we didn't want him on our proprty and that was solved. It is very easy to go online to check whether offenders or predators live within X numbr of miles from your address which we check on a continuing basis. I suggest this works better. Checking out owners gives a false sense of security. Any homeowner can be checked and as I have shown above have a relative or friend move in who is dangerous. Duh!

DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671

01/16/2009 10:49 AM
Ellen, I guess the message that we all get is that the good guys are the ones who are asked to register, give out our personal information and face scrutiny that seems to be too invasive into our personal being. BUT, the bad guys know all of the tricks on how to avoid giving this same information, therefore they can mingle amoung all of the good, honest people who do register and expose their personal information when asked. ID fraud as we all know, has become the number one crime in America.

MaryA1

Posts:0

01/16/2009 11:09 AM
Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 01/16/2009 7:47 AM Here is the corrected link to the Milwaukee Ridge report, incorrectly provided in my earlier post: http://texas.ahrc.com/engine.php/submission;page=input,action=display,id=675 I would be very surprised to learn people are standing line to buy into that HOA!!!

GlenL
(Ohio)

Posts:3622

01/16/2009 11:28 AM
Many of these items are required under OH law 5311.09 to be given to Condo Associations. (2) Within thirty days after a unit owner obtains a condominium ownership interest, the unit owner shall provide the following information in writing to the unit owners association through the board of directors: (a) The home address, home and business mailing addresses, and the home and business telephone numbers of the unit owner and all occupants of the unit; (b) The name, business address, and business telephone number of any person who manages the owner’s unit as an agent of that owner. (3) Within thirty days after a change in any information that division (A)(2) of this section requires, a unit owner shall notify the association, through the board of directors, in writing of the change. When the board of directors requests, a unit owner shall verify or update the information.

Your board meeting is not held in the Situation Room of the White House. It's not life or death. Let people in, keep it positive, then go home and get a good night's sleep. If you hold off drinking until after the meeting, instead of before or during, you're probably doing OK. JosephW

DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:5671

01/16/2009 12:06 PM
Glen, I don't have a big problem with the Ohio requirements for that info. It is all easy to find between phone books, tax records, etc. The issue is with real personal information--like SS#s and e-mail addresses. Some things in life should still be sacred.

MaryA1

Posts:0

01/16/2009 12:09 PM
Providing personal info such as address & phone number is one thing, but agreeing to submit to a criminal background check is quite another! I wouldn't for one minute consider buying a home in that community.

MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:4491

01/16/2009 2:20 PM
Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 01/16/2009 7:28 AM I am absolutely amused by the discussion here. Oh Pish Posh! I thought you knew! I live to entertain you! "Perhaps" you should select your own words more carefully. If you had not intended it as a serious "recommendation," then "perhaps" you should have made that more clear. So. What did you mean or intend to imply if not that the idea of mandating residents turn over email addresses or risk fine/other penalties was a plausible or workable next step for some HOAs (or any HOAs, for that matter)? Just curious.

KirkW1
(Texas)

Posts:1665

01/16/2009 6:40 PM
Only in Texas. This assumes guilty until proven innocent. ... Actually, this movement did not start in Texas and we are not all backwards. I believe the distinction of being first goes to an association in Greenwood Indiana. But you should also keep in mind the source of the article. The AHRC has a long history of painting any and every action of an HOA in a negative light. Now as I recall when the HOA in Greenwood was voting there were many people on this forum who supported the idea as a good one. Personally, my biggest problem with it is that I think it leads to a false sense of security.

EllenS1
(Florida)

Posts:1148

01/16/2009 6:45 PM
Lirk, Sorry I didn't mean to knock Texas but we agree this gives a false sense of security and is meaningless and an invasion of privacy.

MaryA1

Posts:0

01/17/2009 7:49 AM
Kirk, I, too, had reservations when I saw the AHRC link!

GeorgerwilliamsW
(Indiana)

Posts:975

01/17/2009 8:09 AM
The first reference I can find to background checks for living in homeowners associations, indeed, comes from Milwaukee Ridge in Lubbock in 2005, which suggests, indeed, that the movement began in Texas. "Started in September of 2005, Milwaukee Ridge is the nation's first and foremost Safe Neighborhood. " http://taorealestate.com/tao/content/view/27/49/ 6/6/05 Northwest Lubbock Housing Development Becomes First Sex Offender Free Zone http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=3439608 The Indiana homeowners association voted in 2008. AHRC has nothing to do with it.

JohnK3
(Pennsylvania)

Posts:967

01/19/2009 10:38 AM
Michele writes: >>>Other neighborhoods my have considerably higher, but I doubt they have anything near 100% (barring, of course very very small organizations, where 100% digital might be possible).<<< We are a vvso and we have 100% email/internet capabilities. And we now have 3 of our 21 households registered on our fancy new website after notifying the whole gang a month ago. Shoot - one of our 3 BODers hasn't even signed up for all the swell features! Lost cause.

MaryA1

Posts:0

01/19/2009 10:49 AM
John, I find it amazing when board members can't even do what the board is asking the membership to do! We had the same thing happen just recently. I'm chairman of a grant committee and we were required to survey the members asking if they want us to pursue the grant. It was critical to us getting the grant to show a large % of the members as approving. Only 1 board member, out of 5, turned in the survey!

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164

01/19/2009 11:08 AM
John, I find it amazing also. Not surprised, sadly. But hardly a lost cause, if I live long enough, little by little this will change in my life time. Associations, small ones especially reflect the personality of the neighborhood. Neighborhoods change. Just keep up your interest, publicaly vow to outlast them and live until all members sign up.

MaryA1

Posts:0

01/20/2009 3:25 AM
Robert, FYI my HOA is not small -- 1,701 members!

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:5164

01/20/2009 7:31 AM
Mary, It does me heart good on this chilly momentous day to find another positive. It is nice to hear your talent, knowledge and logic is being spread around the many. Don't know is this is connected but, I live in SC near Beaufort Hilton Head, on the coast, and it is starting to snow.

GloriaL
(Georgia)

Posts:195

01/20/2009 8:55 AM
Posted By JohnK3 on 01/19/2009 10:38 AM Michele writes: >>>Other neighborhoods my have considerably higher, but I doubt they have anything near 100% (barring, of course very very small organizations, where 100% digital might be possible).<<< We are a vvso and we have 100% email/internet capabilities. And we now have 3 of our 21 households registered on our fancy new website after notifying the whole gang a month ago. Shoot - one of our 3 BODers hasn't even signed up for all the swell features! Lost cause. When I began this thread, I was disappointed in how few Members (including BOD's) had not yet registered on our spanking new website. We are a very small, single family home HOA...27 homes(actually POA as we opted into the GAPOA last year...with the same BOD spearheading that movement too). I did not think we could overcome the apathy that exists in all Communities. BUT, we now have only FIVE HomeOwners who have chosen NOT to register. I think that is pretty damn impressive, if I do say so myself. I do not know if anyone actually checks the site, nor how often. No one has used the online SUGGESTION BOX to post anything. I don't know if anyone has downloaded the Minutes of our BOD Mtg, or anything else for that matter. All I do know, is that they are registered and will receive email announcements when they go out. That saves me, as Secretary, mucho work. All HomeOwners have the option of receiving hard copies, if they request them...which no one has. In short, I do not delude myself into thinking that since nearly all have registered, we have overcome apathy and non-participation. We have not, and probably will not anytime in the future. The goal was to get Members to register, and we have achieved that.It took emails, flyers, letters, and phone calls. Notify, notify, notify Members that they will no longer by notified about anything which our CCR's do not mandate...unless they request copies and no one has. Now that we are facing our Annual Meeting in March, we will see how receptive the Members were with this last campaign. Will we be booted off the BOD or re-elected? I am not too sure either way. No good deed goes unpunished. Gloria

EllenS1
(Florida)

Posts:1148

01/20/2009 12:10 PM
Mary, Unfortunately this is what happens when no one is willing to be on the board and HOAS must "settle" for any warm blooded individuals.

MaryA1

Posts:0

01/20/2009 12:16 PM
Ellen, Yep, you've hit the nail on the head! Several years in a row we only had incumbents running. This year a gal on the HOA advisory board decided to put her name in. Two seats were open and the V.P. decided not to run again so this gal would be elected. He said it was always good to have new blood, he had already served two terms and was willing to step down. An incumbent always has more of a chance of being re-elected. I thought it was very honorable of him. Too many board members out there think they're irreplaceable and would never think of doing what he did.

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