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KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
According to my original covenants regarding signs, they state:

No sign of any kind shall be displayed to the public view on any Lot except one professionally prepared sign of not more than one square foot, one sign of not more than five square feet, advertising the property for sale or rent or signs used by the builder to advertise the construction and sales period.

I am a little confused by the wording. Does this mean I am allowed to place 1 sign that is professionally made, that does not necessarily need to be a "for sale" sign, in my yard, as long as it is no more that one square foot?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
You could certainly argue that. But from reading it, I believe the 1 square foot sign was intended to include the plastic for sale signs you can get at the hardware store.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
I'd say you've got 144 square inches to do whatever you choose. Not sure what professionally means, though handwritten is probably excluded, unless done by a caligrapher?
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Kevin, I read it exactly the way you do. The one square foot sign can be anything you want. The other is a standard for sale real estate sign.

Since I like to beat dead horses, this is another example of really badly written documents that are the worst work of the legal profession.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
George, from what I read it really is a poorly stated covenant. They are 29 years old and are the focus of a heated legal battle within our neighborhood.

The reason why I ask is recently I had gotten a letter from my HOA stating I violated covenants and that I had fifteen days to respond or face legal action. I currently have a sign in my yard (I believe it to be within 1 square foot although I'll have to measure it to check) that promotes a website which happens to be for the lawsuit against the HOA. The HOA also has signs that promote their rewrite of the amendments and have had them placed throughout the neighborhood (including board member's homes).

(The board has passed restated covenants in my section that are clearer, but the issues with that is they are being contested in court and I did not sign any joinder to my title accepting the restated documents. From what legal advice I had received, the covenants that run with my land, are the original ones).

I believe their actions to be retaliatory in nature based on a couple things:

1. To the best of my knowledge, the homeowners who had the HOA's signs were not issued warnings.
2. Various other signs (political endorsements, tutoring, business signs) have not been reported and remain up.
3. These notices came 4 days before the fall membership meetings.

From communicating with the other homeowners who have such signs, they all received notice on the same day and have observed that the homeowners with HOA signs removed them from their yards the day before the notices were sent out.

In my opinion, and from what I have read, I don't believe I had violated any covenants. I plan on keeping this sign up at least until our next meeting for the chance that more people visit the site. Prior to the sign, none of my neighbors had even heard of the lawsuit, but now over 4000 people had visited the site and I hope that this will definitely get people involved in our neighborhood instead of being apathetic.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Kevin,

First of all, you surely cannot figure out why the HOA is sending you non compliance letters? You are advertising a website to SUE your own HOA? Kevin, you are starting to look like someone who is just asking for violation letters, IMHO. If I were your Board, I'd be hopping mad too. From all of your posts, this association needs to have a major intervention by the State. Unfortunately, the State will not step in other than going thru mediation with the State Omsbudsman.

If you read the beginning of the Statutes 720, the State has stated that
720.302 Purposes, scope, and application.--

(2) " The Legislature recognizes that it is not in the best interest of homeowners' associations or the individual association members thereof to create or impose a bureau or other agency of state government to regulate the affairs of homeowners' associations. However, in accordance with s. 720.311, the Legislature finds that homeowners' associations and their individual members will benefit from an expedited alternative process for resolution of election and recall disputes and presuit mediation of other disputes involving covenant enforcement and authorizes the department to hear, administer, and determine these disputes as more fully set forth in this chapter."

I wrote this(your) Bylaw out by hand which sometimes seperates the long sentence from becoming one long jumble of ifs, ands, and buts. I agree that it is poorly written BUT it reads to me that you ARE allowed to have 1 sign of not more than 1 sq. foot in size. I see no restrictions as to the content of the message on the sign. So you do have the right to have a sign but it is the context that is getting you the violation letters. Not legal on the Boards part.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I think you all are wrong and being nit pickers.

It's clear the intent of the restriction is to allow only the display of a For Sale sign.

But since it's so unclear to you, check your documents for a clause something along this lines:

"Section 7. Board's Determination Binding. In the event of any dispute or disagreement between any owners relating to the property subject to this Declaration, or any questions of interpretation or application of the provisions of this Declaration or the Bylaws, the determination thereof by the Board shall be final and binding on each and all such owners."

I'd be surprised if it wasn't there.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Michelle,

At first, I responded with the same analysis as yours as to the meaning of the Bylaw. I reread it and wrote it out. The placement of the word "or" is what made me rethink the meaning.

And definitely YES, the statement in documents where the Boards interpretation is usually present in most docs is a very good point but I won't hold out much hope in this case.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:

No sign of any kind shall be displayed to the public view on any Lot

except

* one professionally prepared sign of not more than one square foot

* one sign of not more than five square feet, advertising the property for sale

or rent

or

* signs used by the builder to advertise the construction and sales period.

Your ONE allowed sign (no matter what it said) had to have been professionally prepared. Was it?

SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
I'm in Flordia also and my interpertation is no sign except a for sale or for rent....yet our Board has installed "residents only" on all four sides of our small lake, "no solicitation", "dog walk"..these signs are at least 2' X 3', probably necessary but still very ugly....We just recently have had a large sign placed beside our community entrance sign, advbertising the MC which consist of very bold bright colors and ugly design mounted on 4x4's.....The Board allowed (I wasn't ask) this sign but as a Board member and HO, I feel this is against our CC&R's policy. Am I right in wanting this sign removed. If this MC can advertise for business, why can't HO's?
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Our sign is a professionally made corrugated plastic sign on an "H" frame.

I personally understand why the board would be mad at such a sign, and I probably would feel the same way. We had an issue with the signs a couple times (someone pulling it out of the yard and tossing it aside, and then someone stole it).

I think one reason why the matter had progressed rather quickly to a lawsuit rather than mediation was that the homeowners association had a yearly budget of 42,000 for over a decade. After declaring a couple sections mandatory, they effectively doubled their yearly income in the first quarter this year and then the board actively started taking people to court over issues like roof repairs done during the hurricanes. Obviously some residents did not like that.

I agree with the lawsuit, and I agree with the original covenants, and have been careful to try to do everything within the law to avoid any conflict. It is very frustrating trying to work with the board because of their lack of disclosure and insistence that we obtain any information desired by use of an attorney (an actual demand from their lawyer stated that they will refuse to answer our questions unless we obtained legal council).

I am completely willing to try mediation process. I have found the process very difficult because even when I requested the information from the state, they told me to acquire an attorney. I'm beginning to feel that the real winners are lawyers!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Were I on the board I would absolutely concur that you are violating the CC&Rs if your sign does not say FOR SALE or FOR RENT or is not a sign used by the builder to advertise the construction and sales period.

Again, people are doing the notorious taking phrases out of context. In my opinion.

It seems to me that the sign can EITHER BE one-square-foot if it's professionally prepared, or five-square-feet otherwise.

But it's very clear, to me, that the only content that can be on it is either to announce the sale or rental status of the property or, if a builder, to advertise the construction and sales period.

Anything else would not be allowed, were our board to review the compliant.

"No sign of any kind shall be displayed to the public view on any Lot except one professionally prepared sign of not more than one square foot, one sign of not more than five square feet, advertising the property for sale or rent or signs used by the builder to advertise the construction and sales period. "

RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
I am definately pro HO rights. The BOD, while volunteers and laymen, often try to see what they can get away with. Sometimes this is due to ignroance other times they may just be pedantic.

However I agree with the view that your sign is forbidden (as displayed).

Review the Florida Case Law below...It seems you MAY be able to hang it in your car's rear window! (item 28 below).

[1] IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOURTH DISTRICT JANUARY TERM 2004
[2] CASE NO. 4D03-1855
[3] 872 So.2d 1003, 2004.FL.
[4] May 12, 2004
[5] CHARLOTTE SHIELDS, APPELLANT,
v.
ANDROS ISLE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC., APPELLEE.
[6] Appeal from the Circuit Court for the Fifteenth Judicial Circuit, Palm Beach County; Karen M. Miller, Judge; L.T. Case No. CA-02-00182-AA.
[7] Bryan J. Yarnell, P.A., West Palm Beach, for appellant.
[8] Lawrence M. Abramson, West Palm Beach, for appellee.
[9] The opinion of the court was delivered by: May, J.
[10] The rigors of living in compliance with the rules and regulations of a homeowner's association set the stage for this appeal. The homeowner appeals a judgment entered in favor of the association. She challenges the trial court's interpretation of provisions of the Declaration of Covenants and the consequent injunctive relief granted. She also suggests that genuine issues of material fact precluded entry of a summary judgment on the issue of selective enforcement. We affirm in part and reverse in part.
[11] Charlotte Shields purchased a home in the Andros Isles subdivision. Dissatisfied with the builder, she displayed a sign in her front yard advertising the sale of her house and criticizing the builder. She placed other signs complaining about her home and its builder in the windows of her automobile.
[12] A notice was sent to her concerning the "for sale" yard sign in November 2000. Around that time, the property manager came to her home and gave her a copy of the applicable sections of the Declaration. He told her to reduce the size of her "for sale" sign to not greater than two square feet in area to be in conformity with the rules. Accordingly, she reduced the size of her sign as instructed.
[13] Notices about the signs were again sent in October and November 2001. This time, the association demanded that she remove all the signs because they violated the Declaration.
[14] On January 7, 2002, the association filed a complaint against the homeowner for temporary and permanent injunctive relief. *X1 Following a temporary relief hearing, the trial court entered an order granting a temporary injunction that enjoined the homeowner from posting signs on her lot, but denied relief with respect to the signs posted in her automobile windows.
[15] The homeowner filed a motion for partial summary judgment, requesting the court to find that the signs displayed in her automobile windows were not in violation of the Declaration. The association filed a response and counter-motion for summary judgment. It requested the court to find the Declaration not only prohibited the sign in her yard, but those in the windows of her automobile.
[16] The homeowner filed a reply, response, and counter-motion for summary judgment. She alleged selective enforcement and waiver as affirmative defenses. She also filed an affidavit attaching photographs of several other sign violations.
[17] The court heard the motions for summary judgment, and granted the association's motion. The court held that "Article VIII, Section 8, of the Declaration providing 'no sign of any kind shall be displayed to public view on any lot . . .' encompasses the signs displayed in Defendant's vehicle." The court also found that "Article VIII, Section 11 of the Declaration, which provides a prohibition against signage on vehicles, also encompasses a prohibition against the signs displayed in Defendant's vehicle." The court reserved ruling on costs and attorneys fees.
[18] Interpreting the Declaration
[19] Well-established rules of construction control our review and interpretation of the Declaration. Written documents, including declarations, and the legal effects to be drawn therefrom, are essentially questions of law. Volusia County v. Aberdeen at Ormond Beach, L.P., 760 So. 2d 126 (Fla. 2000); Royal Oak Landing Homeowner's Ass'n v. Pelletier, 620 So. 2d 786 (Fla. 4th DCA 1993).
[20] "Restrictions found within a Declaration are afforded a strong presumption of validity, and a reasonable unambiguous restriction will be enforced according to the intent of the parties as expressed by the clear and ordinary meaning of its terms . . . ." Emerald Estates Cmty. Ass'n, v. Gorodetzer, 819 So. 2d 190, 193 (Fla. 4th DCA 2002). However, "[r]estrictive covenants are not favored and are to be strictly construed in favor of the free and unrestricted use of real property." Wilson v. Rex Quality Corp., 839 So. 2d 928, 930 (Fla. 2d DCA 2003) (citing Moore v. Stevens, 106 So. 901, 903 (Fla. 1925)). "Due regard must be had for the purpose contemplated by the parties to the covenant, and words used must be given their ordinary, obvious meaning as commonly understood at the time the instrument containing the covenants was executed . . . ." Id. (quoting Moore, 106 So. at 903). "Any doubt as to the meaning of the words used must be resolved against those seeking enforcement." Id.
[21] The homeowner argues that the trial court misinterpreted sections 8 and 11 of the Declaration. We agree in part. Section 8 states "[n]o signs of any kind shall be displayed to public view on any Lot except one sign of not more than two (2) square feet advertising such Lot for sale or rent." (Emphasis added.) A "Lot" is defined by the Declaration as "any plot of land within" Andros Isle including the "[r]esidence and all improvements constructed on a Lot." Relying on Wilson, the homeowner argues that section 8 clearly and unambiguously applies only to "any plot of land." In that case, the second district reasoned that in applying the ordinary and obvious meaning of the words utilized, a similarly worded provision applied only to lots and not vehicles. We agree. The court erred in applying this provision to the signs inside the automobile windows.
[22] The question then becomes whether section 11 encompasses signs located within the interior of an automobile. Section 11 states that "[n]o vehicles, except four wheeled passenger automobiles . . . with no lettering or signage thereon, shall be placed, parked or stored upon any Lot . . . ." The homeowner argues that section 11, which specifically applies to automobiles and signage thereon, only prohibits signage "thereon," not "therein". Riser v. Fed. Life Ins. Co., 224 N.W. 67, 68 (Iowa 1929) (When used to designate location, the prepositions "in" and "on" are never synonymous. "In" means within the interior, "on" mean upon the surface.) The association responds that section 11 prohibits signs anywhere on the vehicle. Once again, we agree with the homeowner.
[23] "Thereon" is defined as "[o]n or upon this, that, or it." The American Heritage Dictionary of The English Language, 1335 (New College ed. 1981). "Therein" is defined as "n that place or context." Id. The clear and ordinary meaning of the term "thereon" suggests that the signs located within the interior of the homeowner's car do not violate section 11 of the Declaration.
[24] The language employed in section 11 as a whole does not suggest an intent to prohibit interior vehicle signs displayed to criticize the builder's workmanship. Rather, as worded, the section allows four wheeled passenger automobiles, standard sized pick ups not exceeding a one-ton capacity, sports utility vehicles, and passenger vans to be placed, parked, or stored on a Lot. It disallows larger four wheeled vehicles, which tend to be commercial or recreational in nature. Typically, what sets personal use vehicles apart from commercial vehicles is not only their size, but the signage or lettering on the vehicle advertising their business. Thus, section 11 is aimed at prohibiting four wheeled vehicles of a recreational or commercial nature from parking on any lot in plain view, not from prohibiting residents from hanging signs in their car windows. The trial court misinterpreted section 11 as a matter of law and erred in applying it to prohibit the signs in the homeowner's vehicle.
[25] Selective Enforcement
[26] Lastly, the homeowner argues that the undisputed evidence established that the association selectively enforced the Declaration against her. She presented evidence showing: 1) 124 violations of the sign restrictions; 2) the association's new board was aware of the nonconforming signs; and 3) the new board sent only 11 violation notices to homeowners. "When selective enforcement is demonstrated, the association is 'estopped' from applying a given regulation." Chattel Shipping & Inv., Inc. v. Brickell Place Condo. Ass'n, 481 So. 2d 29 , 30 (Fla. 3d DCA 1985) (citing White Egret Condo., Inc. v. Franklin, 379 So. 2d 346, 352 (Fla. 1979)).
[27] Viewing all inferences in favor of the homeowner, the association failed to conclusively show the absence of genuine issues of material fact on this issue. See Holl v. Talcott, 191 So. 2d 40 (Fla. 1966). The trial court erred in granting the association's motion for summary judgment in this regard. *X2
[28] The judgment is reversed as it relates to the signs inside the automobile. To the extent the judgment enjoined the homeowner concerning the "for sale" sign based upon its noncompliance with the Declaration, it is affirmed subject to further proceedings concerning the issue of selective enforcement.
[29] HOROWITZ, ALFRED J., Associate Judge, concur.
[30] KLEIN, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part.
[31] I concur with that portion of the opinion concluding there are issues of fact as to selective enforcement. I dissent from that portion of the opinion concluding that there is a distinction between a sign on the inside of a window of a vehicle and a sign on the outside of a vehicle.
[32] Ms. Shields acknowledged in her deposition that signs were "attached on the inside of the windows" of her vehicle facing out. The majority agrees that "thereon" as used in the restriction means "on." I see no difference between a sign being "on" the inside surface of a window or being "on" the outside surface.
[33] Words, as the majority recognizes, should be given their "ordinary, obvious meaning as commonly understood." I submit that any reasonable person, if asked whether there was a sign "on" this vehicle, would answer yes. The majority appears to have been persuaded by the fact that the sign also happens to be in the vehicle; however, that fact does not preclude the sign from being on the vehicle. I would affirm the summary judgment in that respect.

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Opinion Footnotes

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[34] *X1 The developers transferred control of the Board of Directors to the homeowners association in December 2002.
[35] *X2 The homeowner also argues that the association has waived its right to enforce the sign restrictions. Waiver, if any, by the developer-controlled board cannot be imputed to the new board that has consistently sought to enforce the sign restrictions against this homeowner. This court has previously held that a new board may enforce restrictions which were unenforced by a prior board where the "overall examination of the record discloses a consistent effort by the association to enforce the restriction since it acquired the right to do so." Estates of Fort Lauderdale Prop. Owners Ass'n v. Kalet, 492 So. 2d 1340, 1342 (Fla. 4th DCA 1986). There is no genuine issue of material fact as to this issue.
RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
The paragraph titles (numbers) appear to have been altered above. Sorry.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Kevin has not told us the context of this paragraph in the rules.

It may be under a heading, "For Sale Signs" or "Selling Your Condo"

Yes, it is worded awkwardly and lacks puncuation and clarity. But gramatically, I stand by what I posted before.

Since we don't know what category this rule is under - and it says, "no sign of any kind" EXCEPT . . . ., Kevin needs to tell us more.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
If rendered accurately, then the intent of the provision can not be accurately discerned. I doubt it was written by an attorney. The sentence would not pass muster for high school.

Now my guess is that you can place a professionally created sign one square foot in size. I doubt any sign on an H frame fits within this limit. But I guess the operant question of the day is, "Can you afford to defend yourself in court?"

If you can afford to, then perhaps you should document what the HOA president does and spend the money fighting fire with fire. File a second action against him. You have the same enforcement rights in court as the HOA. Further, if the HOA president agreed to more restrictive covenants you can enforce them even if they don't apply to you. All it takes is money and desire.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 09/03/2008 5:53 PM
Kevin has not told us the context of this paragraph in the rules.

It may be under a heading, "For Sale Signs" or "Selling Your Condo"

Yes, it is worded awkwardly and lacks puncuation and clarity. But gramatically, I stand by what I posted before.

Since we don't know what category this rule is under - and it says, "no sign of any kind" EXCEPT . . . ., Kevin needs to tell us more.

The location of the paragraph regarding signs in my governing documents is in Article II, part 12 and is worded exactly the way I typed it. It does not contain any other heading. It is surrounded by other negative covenants such as no kennels on property, no temporary structures, no filling lots with water, etc.

Because of the use of "EXCEPT" and "OR", I interpret that the intent of the covenant was to prevent a homeowner from littering their yard with numerous signs or placing small home made signs on the property. I would assume a one square foot professional sign would also include signs like "Beware of Dog", "No Soliciting", and "No Trespassing". I'm sure the developers never considered a homeowner advertising a lawsuit against the HOA!
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Assuming the HOA docs are a contract, which I believe them to be...

Basic contract law says a contract's wording shall be strictly construed against the party who wrote it, in this case (or attributed to) the HOA.

Therefore, I still maintain Kevin has free rein to professionally mount a 1 foot sign of his choosing.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Kevin, after reading all the opinions expressed here, I still stand with you regarding your reading of the covenant.

The question is, "Is it worth fighting about?" It could get very expensive.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Kevin,

After reading all the comments, here's how I feel:

1) the wording gives the impression you can display one PROFESSIONALLY made sign of your choosing or, one "for sale" sign.
2) however, I concur with Michelle in that the intent was to limit the display to "for sale" signs -- this is what most assn docs say.
3) the interpretation is generally a power given only to the board. As Michelle suggested look for an article addressing this. If the board interprets it to mean only a "for sale" sign then, unless you are willing to go to court, you will have to abide by their decision.

I would ask the board for an interpretation b/4 placing the sign. This would eliminate the possibility of getting a violation notice.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Kevin,

After reading all the comments, here's how I feel:

1) the wording gives the impression you can display one PROFESSIONALLY made sign of your choosing or, one "for sale" sign.
2) however, I concur with Michelle in that the intent was to limit the display to "for sale" signs -- this is what most assn docs say.
3) the interpretation is generally a power given only to the board. As Michelle suggested look for an article addressing this. If the board interprets it to mean only a "for sale" sign then, unless you are willing to go to court, you will have to abide by their decision.

I would ask the board for an interpretation b/4 placing the sign. This would eliminate the possibility of getting a violation notice.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 09/04/2008 8:28 AM
Kevin, after reading all the opinions expressed here, I still stand with you regarding your reading of the covenant.

The question is, "Is it worth fighting about?" It could get very expensive.

I looked into the costs for everything.

According to Florida state, mediation average costs are 2,000 - 10,000. And from what I understand, there is the possibility that I would still have to pay all legal fees if the decision does not come out in my favor. I know that the court costs for the lawsuit have already exceeded that amount, so the real gamble is which course of action would better my situation.

My course of action is to remove the sign before the time limit. Consult with the other homeowners who have obtained legal council, and see what is recommended.

Maybe I will put the sign in my car window. Its seems rather petty but I am curious as to what action the board is willing to make. If I am able to make my point clear while not violating their interpretation of the covenants, it may be worth it.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Kevin - you said:
"The HOA also has signs that promote their rewrite of the amendments and have had them placed throughout the neighborhood (including board member's homes)."

What SIZE are they and were they professionally made?

If the Board is placing political signage around the neighborhood, then your sign is OK, too.

I don't understand the "violation", then.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 09/04/2008 11:08 AM
Kevin - you said:
"The HOA also has signs that promote their rewrite of the amendments and have had them placed throughout the neighborhood (including board member's homes)."

What SIZE are they and were they professionally made?

If the Board is placing political signage around the neighborhood, then your sign is OK, too.

I don't understand the "violation", then.

The signs made by the HOA were roughly 2.5'x2.5' and they were professionally made (I think they were the same material as mine but theirs were secured to the ground by a wooden stake).

The message on their boards stated "VOTE YES FOR FAIR SHARE MAINTENANCE" . That is the name of the campaign for rewriting and restated the covenants. They were in the treasurer's yard and one of the volunteers yards who had gone door to door notarizing these votes. They had also been on the right-of-ways in the cul-de-sacs.

We had received our notification from the HOA on Tuesday, after Labor Day. I had noticed that the HOA's signs were taken down before we received our notice. Mail was not delivered Sunday or Monday but the notice was addressed August 30th, which led me to believe that they used their violation notice against us and removed theirs in case of a retaliation.

RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
Many vehicles have "signs", placards, or other items on them that indicate where the car was bought from. Nowadays many businesses have ".com" suffixes as part of their name like: Downtown Chevrolet.com

Or the dealer name maybe similarly displayed on a rear license plate frame or even have a "sign" up front where the front plate would go (if required).

So I'm sure many of the vehicles in your community have signs on them right now.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Here is an idea if you have enough to get started:

File suit against each owner with a "pro-hoa" sign in their yard. Use the proceeds from those suits to defend your own sign. The simple fact is that a sign two and a half feet square is a violation of the covenants. And you have as much right as the hoa to seek enforcement. Now if you plan to go this route the best place of course is the HOA president since you mentioned he had one in his yard.

Note that this still takes money. And unfortunately if you don't have legal coverage you are on the losing side of the money battle. But you might seriously want to consider joining a legal aid program. For about $25 a month you can help your position to fight tremendously.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
That is an interesting issue and unfortunately we are on the losing side (money wise). If everyone pays the HOA their mandatory assessment, they have a budget of almost 100,000.

I could take each homeowner to court individually and have a better chance at success (both financially and legally). There are two things that keep me from doing so.

First, it is not my intention to take every homeowner to court. I am just interested in protecting my property rights and ensuring that they are not diminished unlawfully.

And secondly, I could take every homeowner in violation to court. The only problem with that is the current lawsuit is actually against about 50 individual homeowners who had signed the joinders the HOA distributed. The HOA is using their funds and motioning for their lawyer to defend them all as a class.

I hope that the word has spread over the last few months I had my sign out. I hope that the homeowners will attend the meeting because I plan on addressing these issues in front of the membership.

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Actually, I would not take on the HOA directly. I would go after individual owners for their violations, starting with just a single owner. In fact, if I were to go that route I would aim to take a BOD member to court for violation of the new set of covenants. That you are holding out from signing them is irrelevant. If an owner becomes bound to a covenant anyone can then take them to court to enforce including someone not bound by said covenant.

The HOA will not be able to protect individual owners from such actions including BOD members.

Now to be certain, this is not on the "how to win friends" list of activities. This would fall into cage match politics. All the more reason to start with someone you are not likely to become friends with. After served with court papers you will definitely fall of the holiday party invite list.

If I were looking to do it, I would try and do so in small claims court. What is learned from one case can apply to the next. The only class defense is to fight the restriction. And that would be a very interesting defense indeed.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I could just remove the sign and notify the BOD that I removed it. Then place the sign in my yard again creating a separate incident and go through the entire process of receiving a violation notice and having two weeks to correct the problem.

I don't plan on taking any of them to court because they keep racking up points.

Their lawyer misrepresented information to us and according to our lawyer, threatened us (they were reported to the bar).
The BOD violated notarization laws in the process of amending documents (they were reported to the Office of the Governor).
They failed to receive approval from a non-profit foundation that has the exclusive ability to change amendments (according to our original covenants and according to the foundation itself).
They are denying homeowners access to the general membership meetings in violation of Florida Statutes.
On recording, the president acknowledged knowing the code enforcement officer and that the code enforcement officer would not take their signs away if they were placed on county easements.
Also on recording, the president acknowledged that he chose not to allow a homeowner to speak at a meeting even though it was their right to.

I figure if I wait, the list will just get longer.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, I've stated my position on the sign.

I don't want you to confuse that with the fact that I don't support your larger positions, however.

Having said that, I don't know how your organization works, but in our HOA, we don't consider violations "separate events" if the resident "complies," then waits awhile and re-violates.

We don't start from scratch and go back to square one and send the First Warning letter.

We consider that a continuation of the first "noticed" violation (meaning the violation for which you were noticed for the first time, not first "awareness").

So you would get our SECOND notice letter.

If you remove the violation (comply) and then violate again, we turn it over to the attorney.

If you comply after he "notices" you, and then pull out a sign again LATER, we file a lawsuit to move for an injunction and compel compliance through the court system.

Granted. We don't have fines, or a fining structure, and I'm sure Florida laws come into play with you.

But what you are talking about is game-manship and, frankly, as much an abuse of the system as you want to hold them accountable for.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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The violation process that Michele described is the same for my assn and also my former assn. It's the only way that makes sense!

It appears to me Kevin has a lot of problems with his assn and he is doing all he can to reinforce his opinion that the board is incompetent. I think he would find something wrong with everything they do!
KirkW1 (Texas)
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Our association uses a rolling 6 month period for such things. Thus if you have a sign infraction in September if you place a sign again through March it will be considered a 2nd infraction. And we reserve the right to skip earlier actions on said subsequent infractions. Once six months has passed the count resets.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
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Posted By KirkW1 on 09/05/2008 9:52 AM
Our association uses a rolling 6 month period for such things. Thus if you have a sign infraction in September if you place a sign again through March it will be considered a 2nd infraction. And we reserve the right to skip earlier actions on said subsequent infractions. Once six months has passed the count resets.

That would be sheer chaos for us on some violations that are seasonal.

It would be pointless to ever try to enforce them.

KirkW1 (Texas)
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That would be sheer chaos for us on some violations that are seasonal.

It would be pointless to ever try to enforce them.

We have not had problems. But I would think that six months would cover any seasonal issue. I suppose it could come up year after year. We just haven't had that kind of problem.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
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Posted By KirkW1 on 09/05/2008 7:00 PM
That would be sheer chaos for us on some violations that are seasonal.

It would be pointless to ever try to enforce them.


We have not had problems. But I would think that six months would cover any seasonal issue. I suppose it could come up year after year. We just haven't had that kind of problem.

That's what I'm saying.

EVERY year we would have to send to certain people who erect above-ground pools, store their boats, that sort of thing.

They would take them down after the second notice, somewhere in, say, July, and then bring them back in the spring, hoping nobody notices, which they don't for a while, then we'd get a call.

If it resets, we're doing that over and over every year.

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