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KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
What are your thoughts, pro and con, about changing management companies when the association is turned over to the owners?

If you feel the companies should be changed, when should this occur?
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would recommend against planing to do this immediately. The current management is used to running the show and the Board will need a little time to get their feet under them.

Also, you may find that the management company starts to take a new face after transition. I used to think we would look to change quickly. But now I am thinking quite differently. As it is for me to wrap my head around, our manager is actually more pro-owner then most in the area. And slowly she is molding to what we (the new board) want. Certainly there is still much work to be done. But five months in and I feel there improvement is starting to show.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
It would depend on whether or not you are satisfied with their service and whether or not the BOD feels that the MC can adequately and fairly represent the homeowner's interests during the transition. From the records I've read, our community kept the Declarant's MC for five years after transition. However a new Ohio law to prevent Declarants from entangling condominium communities in long term contracts now requires a homeowner vote on the matter.

5311.025
(D) Unless a contract or other agreement is renewed by a vote of the unit owners exercising a majority of the voting power of the unit owners association, neither the unit owners association nor the unit owners shall be subject to either of the following:

(1) For more than ninety days subsequent to the date that the unit owners other than the developer assume control of the unit owners association, any management contract executed prior to that assumption of control;

(2) For more than one year subsequent to an assumption of control, any other contract executed prior to that assumption of control, except for contracts for necessary utility services.

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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
To all,
I would suggest, in the wide general sense, a new take over Board should have already made plans and decisions before takeover. I also suggest the table discussion should be towards; "why should we keep this Management Co.", than.
"Let's get rid of them or let's keep them." Certainly a dealbreaker is long association with the developer and poor preformance." In other words, let history decide. It is strange but we keep reading of having three bids to hire a Landscaper, but we go along with no mention of opening up the job to bids. That means letting the Company or individual sell themselves. Also, I strongly suggest the decision be made well before turn=over and extend that to the Board knowing when the mananger is apt to leave, and work that fact into a long range picture that contributes to the Standing Long Range Plan.
AmyC (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
This is something I did not consider when our association had a complete new board take over. We originally opted to do nothing and see if we could get things to work because we all had no experience managing an association. In hindsight, here is what we should have done:
1) Find out when the contract with the management company ends
2) Sit down with the property manager and owner to discuss your expectations

It will probably take at least 4-6 months for you to become fully aware if the management company is doing what they are suppose to; however, in the meantime it does not hurt to interview other companies. Do not let your management company roll the contract over for another year if you are still testing the waters.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Karen,

If you have a feeling the PM should be changed, I'll guess your instincts are based on COST, PERFORMANCE, or both.

Last year, our new Board, the first fully-functioning and committed one in our 7 year HOA history, was already disappointed with Performance, then when the PM came in with a big price hike for their 2008 services(?), we decided to go self-managed.

We had a rolldown period of 90 days, so first thing we did was give the PM notice of termination, at which time the PM offered to lower their fees by 25%.

So if Cost is your primary issue, negotiating a new contract could probably help on that front. But if Performance is in the mix, you're less likely to get major changes without providing the PM a detailed list of what you expect.

In any event, shopping around now wouldn't hurt.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Here is a link to an article that might be helpful to this thread:
"Evaluating your association's professional management needs"

http://www.flcaj.com/pdfdocs/managementmatters8.081.pdf
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Here is a link to an article that might be helpful to this thread:
"Evaluating your association's professional management needs"

http://www.flcaj.com/pdfdocs/managementmatters8.081.pdf
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Assuming you are speaking of when your community is developed enough to change from PM company running the community to Board Members.

I would strongly suggest this due strictly based on experience. It took us years to find that the PM company that was set up for us by our developers, were strongly tied in hands with the developer. Shared Attorneys and interests in one another and not our community.

I would ask your current PM critical questions pertaining to the relationship they have with the developer.

Switching is hard, it takes months to establish the new relationship where everyone is working in sync. It can be done, we did it, but only after we found out how connected our developer and PM company were.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I have to say that I agree with Amy about sitting down with the management company and discussing expectations. The first meeting the management company should lead the discussion to help you understand how they see their role.

After about three months you should meet again to start discussing how your want them to represent you. To be sure, it will take some time to get things to where you want them to be. I am not saying don't look at other companies, but get to know your current one first. If your area is anything like mine, you will find that these people are a whole other kind. They don't think like myself or the other members of our Board. But we are working toward this and coming along.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
First, unless you have a copy of the management contract, it would be hard to evaluate performance. Developers often contract for the minimum service in order to keep assessments down. Talk to some of the owner-controlled associations that the company manages. If they are satisfied, then do as others have recommended, sit down with the company and interview them as you would any other company, possibly giving them a short-term, easy-out contract to get you through the transition and see how they perform.

I know a number of management companies that pride themselves in the fact that they've maintained a number of contracts from developer through transition and are celebrating 2 digit anniversaries with the client. In other words, it shouldn't be automatic to throw the baby out with the bath water. Take your time and do your due diligence.

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MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Any recommendations for management companies located in lehigh valley, pennsylvania?

thanks,

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