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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Because contracts in perpetuity are not valid in Indiana, the Hoosierland declarations I have studied have expiration dates.

The effect is meaningless, since renewal is automatic, as in the following typical language:
    "The covenants and restrictions contained in this Declaration shall run with and bind the land...for an initial term commencing on the date this Declaration is recorded and ending January 1, 2012, after which time the covenants and restrictions shall be automatically renewed for successive periods of ten (10) years each, as the same may be amended or modified as herein permitted and provided.


Are similar provisions against perpetuity common or required in other states?

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You are going to have to define "contracts in perpetuity"

CCRs within a contract are not "the entire" corporation status (and are amendable.)

Not getting what you are asking . . .

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 08/31/2008 3:15 AM
Because contracts in perpetuity are not valid in Indiana, the Hoosierland declarations I have studied have expiration dates.

The effect is meaningless, since renewal is automatic, as in the following typical language:
    "The covenants and restrictions contained in this Declaration shall run with and bind the land...for an initial term commencing on the date this Declaration is recorded and ending January 1, 2012, after which time the covenants and restrictions shall be automatically renewed for successive periods of ten (10) years each, as the same may be amended or modified as herein permitted and provided.


Are similar provisions against perpetuity common or required in other states?


I would say most assn CCRs, if not all, have a rule against perpetuities article just in case someone would want to challenge the interests created under the CCRs -- they run with the land. What you have posted is the article pertaining to the "term" of your CCRs. Do you also have an article titled "rule against perpetuities"? My CCRs have both. Actually the "rule against perpetuities" really applies to wills; at least that is the impression I have.
KirkW1 (Texas)
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...The effect is meaningless, since renewal is automatic, as in the following typical language:
    "The covenants and restrictions contained in this Declaration shall run with and bind the land...for an initial term commencing on the date this Declaration is recorded and ending January 1, 2012, after which time the covenants and restrictions shall be automatically renewed for successive periods of ten (10) years each, as the same may be amended or modified as herein permitted and provided.

I do not think that the language above in the same as going on in perpetuity. If the owners desire they can pass a resolution to end the covenants on the years 2012, 2022, 2032 and so forth. For that matter, they could also amend the covenants to allow for termination at any time should they desire. But they are in place until 2012.

Part of the reason for the 10 year extensions is that (in most areas) it is presumed that people want to stability afforded in knowing that the rules will still exist next year.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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Posted:
Kirk, without desiring to parse the covenant language, your analysis is not quite right. There is absolutely nothing that prohibits the owners from amending the 2012 date to 2008 or 2009 via the normal process for amending covenants. I can't find any magic in the 2012 date. There is nothing in the law or the covenants that says the association must remain in business until 2012--that just is the first renewal date.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
    " Do you also have an article titled "rule against perpetuities"? My CCRs have both. Actually the "rule against perpetuities" really applies to wills; at least that is the impression I have."
There is nothing in these particular covenants that addresses perpetuities other than the language I posted. And I have not found anything similar in the documents I have researched. (But that does not mean it shouldn't be there. So many of these covenants are very poorly written.)

I would be interested to see how your covenants address the issue, particularly both articles. Could you post the language.

As far as my research has taken me, the only area where perpetuities are sanctioned in Indiana law, (1) statutes themselves, and (2) corporations (which can be organized to exist in perpetuity). Otherwise, perpetual contracts are problematic.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 09/01/2008 4:31 AM
Kirk, without desiring to parse the covenant language, your analysis is not quite right. There is absolutely nothing that prohibits the owners from amending the 2012 date to 2008 or 2009 via the normal process for amending covenants. I can't find any magic in the 2012 date. There is nothing in the law or the covenants that says the association must remain in business until 2012--that just is the first renewal date.

Kirk & George,

I believe this is a confusing article for most people. However, if looked at in the context it's written you will note that it address the "term" of the CCRs -- nothing else. The "amendment" article gives the h/o's the right to amend the CCRs whenever they wish. I've never seen a statement in the "amendment" article that the CCRs cannot be amended b/4 the date stated in the "term" article.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 09/01/2008 4:44 AM
    " Do you also have an article titled "rule against perpetuities"? My CCRs have both. Actually the "rule against perpetuities" really applies to wills; at least that is the impression I have."
There is nothing in these particular covenants that addresses perpetuities other than the language I posted. And I have not found anything similar in the documents I have researched. (But that does not mean it shouldn't be there. So many of these covenants are very poorly written.)

I would be interested to see how your covenants address the issue, particularly both articles. Could you post the language.

As far as my research has taken me, the only area where perpetuities are sanctioned in Indiana law, (1) statutes themselves, and (2) corporations (which can be organized to exist in perpetuity). Otherwise, perpetual contracts are problematic.

AZ has no rule against perpetuities in the corp statutes, including the nonprofit corp act. In the condo act the following is stated in the statute governing "construction & validity of declaration and bylaws: "The rule against perpetuities shall not be applied to defeat any provision of the condo docs." There is not applicable planned community statute; however those statutes are not as "all inclusive" as the condo statutes. The property statutes contain the following:

"ARS 33-261. Rule against perpetuities. The common law rule known as the rule against perpetuities shall hereafter be applicable to all property of every kind and nature and estates and other interests therein, whether personal, real or mixed, legal or equitable by way of trust or otherwise."

Here is the article in my CCRs addressing the rule against perpetuities:

"If any interest purported to be created by the declaration is challenged under the Rule against Perpetuities or any related rule, the interest shall be construed as becoming void and of no effect as of the end of the applicable period of perpetuities computed from the date when the period of perpetuities starts to run on the challenged interest; the "lives in being" for computing the period of perpetuities shall be the President of the U.S., Ronald W. Reagan, and his children and grandchildren who are living at the time the period of perpetuities starts to run on the challenged interest." The CCRs of my former assn stated the "lives in being" as: ". . .those of the issue of the board who are living at the time the period of perpetuities starts to run on the challenged interest."

Here is the article of my CCRs outlining the term:

"This declaration shall be effective upon recordation hereof. As amended and supplemented from time to time, this declaration shall continue in full force for a period of 20 yrs. From and after said date, this declaration shall be automatically extended for successive periods of 10 yrs each."

Note the declaration is automatically extended. A number of people have written on this forum that their assn members were required to vote on extending the declaration.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Thanks for the posting. It is exactly what I was looking for. Indiana has enacted the Uniform Statutory Rule Against Perpetuities (IC 32-17-8) as part of real property law (IC 32).

You are right when you say that this is confusing to most people. This thread is not germane to the issues that most associations deal with. It is more of a sidebar than something that a homeowners association board or member needs to be concerned with.

But every once in a while, somebody asks me why there is a expiration date on the covenants.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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I realize that many covenants can be amended at any point within the life of the covenant. But there are localities that courts have ruled that the amendments can only take place at renewal time. And there are even documents written for this to be the case. The thing is that where you are and specific language plays a huge part regularly.

I know that our covenants state that they renew and to be removed a registered document must be filed in the year preceding renewal. OF course nothing prevents amendments so I would guess that an amendment could be made to specify a different date to expire.

The thing is that most of the time people want the ongoing protections of the covenants. They may not want the HOA that was formed, but some people do actually want the organization as well. I would love to find some believable research on that issue to see where people really stand. Problem is that most of what I have seen is trying to prove a predetermined idea.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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Posted By KirkW1 on 09/01/2008 7:20 AM
I realize that many covenants can be amended at any point within the life of the covenant. But there are localities that courts have ruled that the amendments can only take place at renewal time. And there are even documents written for this to be the case.
This is another instance of where statutes are significantly different from state to state. We can't make overly broad statements.

By the way I know of only two homeowners association satisfaction surveys. Their results are wildly different. And you are right on target when you say that they were conducted to support a particular point of view. There has not been an assessment of opinion that has any believability or objectivity.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By KirkW1 on 09/01/2008 7:20 AM
I realize that many covenants can be amended at any point within the life of the covenant. But there are localities that courts have ruled that the amendments can only take place at renewal time.

Kirk,

Is it possible that these rulings were based on the fact that the particular CCRs stated amendments could only take place at renewal rather than the fact that is was just a state law? Can you cite one of these court cases?
CharlesH9 (Michigan)
Posts: 123
Posted:
Mary,

Is this what you are looking for?
http://courtofappeals.mijud.net/DOCUMENTS/OPINIONS/FINAL/COA/19981211_C204954%280033%29_204954.OPN.PDF
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By CharlesH9 on 09/01/2008 9:05 AM
Mary,

Is this what you are looking for?
http://courtofappeals.mijud.net/DOCUMENTS/OPINIONS/FINAL/COA/19981211_C204954%280033%29_204954.OPN.PDF

Charles,
Thank you for providing that reference. It sheds additional light on discussion here. I appreciate your efforts.

The Michigan court finds that the covenants may not be modified during the initial term. That supports Kirk's earlier posting. Right on target, again, Kirk.

As an aside, it is interesting to note that Michigan courts have a different take on restrictive covenants than do Indiana courts.
    Michigan
    In reviewing the language of restrictive covenants, this Court recognizes that “uilding and use restrictions in residential deeds are favored by public policy.”

    Indiana
    "Indiana law permits restrictive covenants but finds them disfavored and justified only to the extent they are unambiguous and enforcement is not adverse to public policy. When courts are called upon to interpret restrictive covenants, they are to be strictly construed, and all doubts should be resolved in favor of the free use of property and against restrictions."
It would be fascinating to see if the Indiana courts would accept the Michigan arguments in a similar case, or if they would make a different determination.

Again, it just shows that statutory and case law differ significantly from state to state.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
I tried, but am unable to open the document!

George says: "The Michigan court finds that the covenants may not be modified during the initial term. That supports Kirk's earlier posting. Right on target, again, Kirk."

Is the ruling based on the fact that the covenants explicitly state they cannot be amended during the initial term? My covenants explicitly state "as amended and supplemented from time to time, this declaration shall continue in full force for a period of 20 years." To me, that means they can be amended during that initial 20 year period. Are we to believe there are no covenants in MI with this same wording?

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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Posted:
I have attached the PDF file below.
    The question to be resolved is whether the phrase “unless an instrument signed by a majority of the owners of the lots has been recorded, agreeing to change said covenants in whole or in part” is a modification only of the phrase “after which time said covenants shall be automatically extended for successive periods of ten years” or is additionally a modification of the phrase “[t]hese covenants are to run with the land and shall be binding on all parties and all persons claiming under them for a period of twenty-five (25) years from the date these covenants are recorded.”

    "The plain language of paragraph twenty-four forbids modifications to the restrictive covenants until twenty-five years have passed, an event that does not occur until April 5, 2001."
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KirkW1 (Texas)
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Mary,

It could well be that there are some covenants in MI that are written as yours are. All the same, I find it interesting that the judge suggested that the documents might change every day if changes were allowed at any time. And thus this judge would have a tendency to look for a more restrictive view on when the document could be amended.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Kirk,

What I found most interesting is that the argument only centered on that one CCR article pertaining to the term of the CCRs. I'm sure the CCRs also had an amendment article. I would have been interested to know how that article read and wonder why the defendent's attorney didn't bring that up. IMO, the term article is only meant to address amending the term of the CCRs and not to address amending the CCRs as a whole. The defendent was the declarant and should have known exactly what he meant by inserting that clause! Judges aren't always right, but of course their rulings are the law!

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