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GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Another topic arose at our BOD Mtg. The discussion began on the sujectivity of our Rules & Regulations. Our R&R state "edging of lawns surrounding trees, beds and all hard surfaces which include driveway, street and sidewalk." One HO put some decorative bricks around his trees and does not edge well there. He has been cited for this violation, and as yet to remedy...we are still working on that. One BOD Member wants him to just remove the brick and just mow. Other say that mowing is not edging, then many HO's are not edging. The discussion went nowhere.
But then the topic of trampolines came up. One BOD member wants them banned as an eyesore. Two HO's have trampolines in the rear yard but towards the side property line so they ARE visible from the street. One HO has a trampoline in the rear yard but NOT visible from the street so it isn't a problem to that BOD Member.
I believe that if the BOD wants to amend the R&R's to address the edging or trampoline issues, we should give the Community opportunity for input even if they don't respond. The problem is the Community never responds (which as I see from this forum is usual). The discussion went back and forth, and finally the BOD tabled the whole matter until the next BOD Mtg next month.
Under our CCR's, "The BOD by a 2/3 vote at a meeting...may from time to time adopt and approve such additional rules and regulations concerning the use, occupancy and maintenance of, and activities conducted upon any Lot or improvements thereon as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."
How do you handle adding/deleting/amending your R&R? This is not the CCR's, so they are not recorded with the county, and are truly at the whim and discretion of the present BOD...which I find kind of scary.
Thanks,
Gloria
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You have your guidelines; your CCRs say the Board has the power to establish Rules: "The BOD by a 2/3 vote at a meeting...may from time to time adopt and approve such additional rules and regulations concerning the use, occupancy and maintenance of, and activities conducted upon any Lot or improvements thereon as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."

Now what you must have for all these Rules is clear and concise verbiage.
You can't be vague about what you want.

Is there a definition of "edging" in the rule? Exact measurement? Have you given the residents a flyer with an actual model picture of what is should look like? Have you listed the materials needed to get this "look"? Is the Rule reasonable and enforcable? What is the disciplinary procedure if the resident does not follow? Is there a company that could provide the service to do this look that homeowners could hire?

You should be involving residents in establishing these rules and writing guidelines. Do you have a committee that has a variety of residents on it?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Gloria,
Your BOD has the authoritiy to establish R&Rs; the guideline is they must be reasonable. If the homeowner got ARC approval for the decorative bricks around his trees then the HOA can not make him remove them. However, they can require trimming the grass immediately adjacent to the bricks. If the trampoline was approved by the ARC then changing a R&R does not give the HOA the right to require the owner to remove it. Be careful not to add restrictions via R&Regs when a precident has already been established.
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Roger,
IMHO, being "reasonable" is what we are discussing. The HO did not seek nor need to seek ARC approval for the decorative bricks as only permanent alterations to the outside of home or property are addressed in our CCR's. The discussion centered on how we addressed his not edging around the bricks and yet not address all other HO's not "edging" period.
The trampolines, nor any other type of playgyms, did not come before the ARC for approval. Only "playhouses" are addressed in our CCR's, no other mention of anything else which is not a permanent improvement/alteration. The trampolines are there and have been for several years.
What does your last sentence mean? What precident has already been established?
Each year I wonder what I have gotten myself into by continuing to accept a position on this BOD...but after sitting through some BOD Mtgs and hearing what some Members want to do (without seeing nor caring if they have any authority to do so) scares me into staying for another year.
That is why I seek input from this forum.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gloria,

Many assn docs have a similiar provision granting the board authority to adopt rules and regs. Most do not require a vote of the members. It's always been my opinion that it's these board-adopted rules and regs that cause most of the problems w/i the assn. If your board is willing to at least ask the members to comment b/4 adopting a new rule or reg I think it's a great idea. Even better would be to require a vote of the members. The fact that many members do not participate is a moot point. The board should still make the effort, then if there is no response they can just adopt the rule on their own. But at least they tried to get the vote of the members. IMO, it will go a long way to promote goodwill in the community.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gloria,

Sorry, forgot to mention further the wording in your CCRs which says: ""The BOD by a 2/3 vote at a meeting...may from time to time. . ." Note it says "may", meaning they have the authority to adopt rules on their own; but are not required to do so.
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 08/20/2008 7:35 AM
Gloria,

Many assn docs have a similiar provision granting the board authority to adopt rules and regs. Most do not require a vote of the members. It's always been my opinion that it's these board-adopted rules and regs that cause most of the problems w/i the assn. If your board is willing to at least ask the members to comment b/4 adopting a new rule or reg I think it's a great idea. Even better would be to require a vote of the members. The fact that many members do not participate is a moot point. The board should still make the effort, then if there is no response they can just adopt the rule on their own. But at least they tried to get the vote of the members. IMO, it will go a long way to promote goodwill in the community.

I totally agree with involving the Members to help promote goodwill in the community, whether or not they choose to participate.
I will push for using this method when we discuss the R&R at our next meeting of the BOD.

Gloria
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
And make sure that definitions are included! What does "edging" really mean. It seems your board can't even give a definition.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 08/20/2008 1:05 PM
And make sure that definitions are included! What does "edging" really mean. It seems your board can't even give a definition.

I agree, Susan, because in my mind, I would understand the bricking to actually be "edging." And the fact that he does not trim well enough around the edging is pretty subjective. In my opinion.

Also, I have a question regarding establishing a Rule "banning" the trampolines.

If the CC&Rs do not already address sports equipment, other than "playhouses," then how can the Board establish a Rule regulating either their existence or location?

". . . as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."

I'm not asking this question (as some might) because I already "know" the answer and am trying to trip up or challenge the board in some way.

I'm asking because our docs have similar language and we've been unsure as to whether we can create a legal R&R covering basketball goals (and other sports equipment, such as trampolines) if they are not already addressed in our documents.

Rather than risk our credibility by putting something out there we may or may not be able to do, we just bit the bullet and proposed an amendment (regarding basketball goals only) that restricted their location and required ARC approval prior to installing permanent ones.

The amendment passed by a wide margin.

But then, we're able to use proxy voting to not only establish quorum but for votes on agenda items as well.

Some HOAs apparently aren't able to do that.

GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 08/20/2008 1:59 PM
Posted By SusanW1 on 08/20/2008 1:05 PM
And make sure that definitions are included! What does "edging" really mean. It seems your board can't even give a definition.


I agree, Susan, because in my mind, I would understand the bricking to actually be "edging." And the fact that he does not trim well enough around the edging is pretty subjective. In my opinion.

Also, I have a question regarding establishing a Rule "banning" the trampolines.

If the CC&Rs do not already address sports equipment, other than "playhouses," then how can the Board establish a Rule regulating either their existence or location?

". . . as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."

I'm not asking this question (as some might) because I already "know" the answer and am trying to trip up or challenge the board in some way.

I'm asking because our docs have similar language and we've been unsure as to whether we can create a legal R&R covering basketball goals (and other sports equipment, such as trampolines) if they are not already addressed in our documents.

Rather than risk our credibility by putting something out there we may or may not be able to do, we just bit the bullet and proposed an amendment (regarding basketball goals only) that restricted their location and required ARC approval prior to installing permanent ones.

The amendment passed by a wide margin.

But then, we're able to use proxy voting to not only establish quorum but for votes on agenda items as well.

Some HOAs apparently aren't able to do that.


I knew this would open up some discussion from this forum and I really, really appreciate all the views and info.
It is correct in that the BOD has not agreed amongst itself as to what constitutes edging...that is part of the haggling that went on at the mtg and caused this item and adding more Rules to be tabled.
Am I understanding correctly as to intent of the R&R clarification...if the CCR do not speak specifically to any type of sports equipment, then the BOD cannot adopt a Rule to ban trampolines? There are several basketball goals in driveways and that doesn't seem to be a problem with this one BOD Member who is after the trampolines. Would they fall into the same category for banning?
Oh, this is getting so tangled...

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gloria,

You need to read the article giving the board authority to create rules and regs. It will usually have certain stipulations indicating what the rules may govern. For ex: my assn CCRs read:

"By a majority vote of the board, the assn may, from time to time adopt, amend and repeal rules and regulatuons to be known as the "Rules", with respect to all aspects of the assn's rights, activities and duties under this declaration. The rules may, without limitation, govern use of the property, including prohibiting, restricting or imposing charges for the use of any portion of the property by owners, residents or others, interpret this declaration or establish procedures for operation of the assn or the admin of this declaration; provided, however that the rules shall not be inconsistent with this declaration, the articles or bylaws. A copy of the rules as they may from time to time be adopted, amended or repealed shall be maintained in the office of the assn and shall be available to each owner upon request."

The term "govern use of property" could be construed to mean the h/o's property and could be the authority to adopt all sorts of rules. In fact I believe that's where the trash can rule comes from and other rules prohibiting flower pots and benches in front yards, etc.

Also, your CCRs may contain an article giving the board authority to interpret the provisions of the declaration.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Mary, I could be wrong, but I don't think her Docs give her board that wide a berth.

Here is what she posted it says:

"` Under our CCR's, "The BOD by a 2/3 vote at a meeting...may from time to time adopt and approve such additional rules and regulations concerning the use, occupancy and maintenance of, and activities conducted upon any Lot or improvements thereon as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof." "

The part that is iffy, to me, is this: ". . .as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."

So, it seem that it is restricting any Rules to only clarifying or supplementing existing covenants.

If sports equipment are not covered under the covenants in any way, I would have doubts that the board could enact Rules & Regs for them.

Ours is worded very similarly.

In order to avoid even the perception that we were over-reaching, we just went ahead and put forward a Covenant Amendment addressing basketball goals. W

e had not had any issues with trampolines, but if we do, it would be nice to know how this one is handled!

=}

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You are never going to be able to "list" ALL the possible types of sports equipment in rules or CCR's - who knows what other fun sports thing they will come up with next that grandmas are going to buy?

So, what is it that you REALLY want? If your goal is to have a clean look to the neighborhood, you are going to have to set the standard and make everything else go thru an approval hearing.

Is it that you don't want to SEE any buildings, lawn, garden or sport equipment, accessory or machinery, attached or free-standing . . .???

You need to look at what other HOAs are doing about this same issue.

Then write a general rule and require application and approval from the Board or ARC.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 08/20/2008 6:45 PM

Then write a general rule and require application and approval from the Board or ARC.


But Susan, here is where my concern is, based on the way the CC&R is worded, can the board just "make up" rules for items that aren't addressed in the CC&Rs?

Doesn't this become dangerously close to over-reaching or "legislating" beyond what was agreed to in the Deed Restrictions the homeowners signed on to?

I guess I'm asking, specifically, what part of the covenant allowing rules gives the board leeway to ban any sports equipment at all, much less trampolines?

Looking for that "magic key! LOL!!

GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 08/20/2008 7:02 PM
Posted By SusanW1 on 08/20/2008 6:45 PM

Then write a general rule and require application and approval from the Board or ARC.



But Susan, here is where my concern is, based on the way the CC&R is worded, can the board just "make up" rules for items that aren't addressed in the CC&Rs?

Doesn't this become dangerously close to over-reaching or "legislating" beyond what was agreed to in the Deed Restrictions the homeowners signed on to?

I guess I'm asking, specifically, what part of the covenant allowing rules gives the board leeway to ban any sports equipment at all, much less trampolines?

Looking for that "magic key! LOL!!


I believe that our CCR's restrict our Rules to clarify those specified...and I don't know where trampolines or any sport equipment fall or don't fall...or trash receptacles for that matter (they aren't addressed in the covenants either)
I certainly appreciate all this input, and I guess I am also looking for that "magic key."
help anyone?
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Also, please note that the portion of the CCR's giving authority to create Rules as I posted earlier in this thread is that section in its ENTIRETY. So are we restricted to only what is specified, do you think?

Gloria
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gloria,

You stated your CCRs read: "The BOD by a 2/3 vote at a meeting...may from time to time adopt and approve such additional rules and regulations concerning the use, occupancy and maintenance of, and activities conducted upon any Lot or improvements thereon as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."

Note the phrase: ". . .and activities conducted upon any Lot. . ." which can be include recreational activities, i.e., jumping on a trampoline, bouncing a basketball (basketball goals rule). I think the CCRs do give the board the authority to restrict trampolines. The word "trampoline" does not have to appear in the CCR article. Although I fail to understand what is wrong with having a trampoline in one's back yard even though it can be seen from the street! Why does kids' play have to be restricted in so many assn's? Don't these board members recall being a kid? Please don't tell me this is another example of "reduced property values"!!
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 08/21/2008 2:08 AM
Gloria,

You stated your CCRs read: "The BOD by a 2/3 vote at a meeting...may from time to time adopt and approve such additional rules and regulations concerning the use, occupancy and maintenance of, and activities conducted upon any Lot or improvements thereon as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or supplement the provisions of this Article and such other pertinent provisions of this Declaration so as to promote the purposes and intent hereof."

Note the phrase: ". . .and activities conducted upon any Lot. . ." which can be include recreational activities, i.e., jumping on a trampoline, bouncing a basketball (basketball goals rule). I think the CCRs do give the board the authority to restrict trampolines. The word "trampoline" does not have to appear in the CCR article. Although I fail to understand what is wrong with having a trampoline in one's back yard even though it can be seen from the street! Why does kids' play have to be restricted in so many assn's? Don't these board members recall being a kid? Please don't tell me this is another example of "reduced property values"!!

Mary,
Thanks for your input. But now I am even more unsettled...
You pointed out the phrase "...and activities conducted upon any Lot..." which could be used to cover sports. It could also cover non/sports activities. It could also be stretched to cover just about anything people do in their yards...dancing, yoga, badmitton, sun-bathing, dog training (that worries me).
But the preceding verbiage "...concerning the USE, occupancy and maintenance of,..." really, really worries me because now I think they can also be stretched to cover just about anything that someone may find offensive (which in this day of political correctness, can be just about anything).
If interrupted loosely, this vague section will give the BOD authority to write R&R's on nearly anything that strikes their whim. Am I right or am I overstating?

As you know, people view situations differently, and what is acceptable to one person is totally offensive to someone else. I thought our CCR's would address that, but now I am beginning to think that this section of "Further Rules and Regulations" blurs the line to indistinguishable. This could give an awfully large amount of power to the BOD. Of course, the Community can mutiny and throw everyone out, but in the meantime, they are legally bound to comply to the R&R, just as they are to the CCR's.
AND there is nothing in this section which mandates that the BOD present anything to the Community for input being making it a new R&R.

Now that is truly scary.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Mary, I still feel, (and the rest of our board feels this way, too) that the section "any activities on the Lot" cannot be taken out of context with the rest of the sentence that appears, at least to us, to only cover those activities that already are covered in the CC&Rs, but allow for the Rules to clarify or supplement them.

This is where the trepidation comes from.

Which is also why we don't really have any Rules & Regs yet, but simply offer to amend a restriction to get to the same place: clarifying, supplementing, in some places actually changing (since you CAN do that with an amendment and not a Rule or Reg) the area or item that is in question.

We are in the process of stepping into the Rules & Regs fray with garbage cans, for example. Our restrictions says that they are to be stored in such a way as to not be visible from "the front of the house."

We are trying to work on a Rule for that whereby someone can place their garbage can at the side of their house, as long as it is screened in some way, by shrubbery (Shrubbery! Ni Ni Ni!), for example.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GloriaL on 08/21/2008 6:38 AM



Mary,
Thanks for your input. But now I am even more unsettled...
You pointed out the phrase "...and activities conducted upon any Lot..." which could be used to cover sports. It could also cover non/sports activities. It could also be stretched to cover just about anything people do in their yards...dancing, yoga, badmitton, sun-bathing, dog training (that worries me).
But the preceding verbiage "...concerning the USE, occupancy and maintenance of,..." really, really worries me because now I think they can also be stretched to cover just about anything that someone may find offensive (which in this day of political correctness, can be just about anything).
If interrupted loosely, this vague section will give the BOD authority to write R&R's on nearly anything that strikes their whim. Am I right or am I overstating?

As you know, people view situations differently, and what is acceptable to one person is totally offensive to someone else. I thought our CCR's would address that, but now I am beginning to think that this section of "Further Rules and Regulations" blurs the line to indistinguishable. This could give an awfully large amount of power to the BOD. Of course, the Community can mutiny and throw everyone out, but in the meantime, they are legally bound to comply to the R&R, just as they are to the CCR's.
AND there is nothing in this section which mandates that the BOD present anything to the Community for input being making it a new R&R.

Now that is truly scary.


Gloria,

Exactly the way I interpret your CCR article! Some just say the rules can only apply to use of the common areas. But, yours is rather far-reaching, in my estimation. And, it's left up to the board's interpretation, right? Most CCRs give that authority to the BOD and I'm assuming yours does to (although I never like to assume! LOL) And, no nothing in the article stating a member vote is required; however, the board may wish to do this or at least give the members the opportunity to comment on a proposed rule.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 08/21/2008 7:49 AM
Mary, I still feel, (and the rest of our board feels this way, too) that the section "any activities on the Lot" cannot be taken out of context with the rest of the sentence that appears, at least to us, to only cover those activities that already are covered in the CC&Rs, but allow for the Rules to clarify or supplement them.

This is where the trepidation comes from.

Which is also why we don't really have any Rules & Regs yet, but simply offer to amend a restriction to get to the same place: clarifying, supplementing, in some places actually changing (since you CAN do that with an amendment and not a Rule or Reg) the area or item that is in question.

We are in the process of stepping into the Rules & Regs fray with garbage cans, for example. Our restrictions says that they are to be stored in such a way as to not be visible from "the front of the house."

We are trying to work on a Rule for that whereby someone can place their garbage can at the side of their house, as long as it is screened in some way, by shrubbery (Shrubbery! Ni Ni Ni!), for example.


Michele,

In reading over the article in Gloria's CCRs, I find it to be very far-reaching. As you point out, one section of the CCR article cannot be taken out of context. Not knowing exactly how yours is worded, I cannot comment. However, I know many CCRs only extend the authority to cover governing common areas. Gloria's is explicit in stating "activities conducted upon ANY lot" and further says "as it may deem necessary or desirable to clarify or SUPPLEMENT the provisions of this article and other pertinent provisions of the declaration. . ." Pay close attention to the word "supplement". IMO, this gives the BOD the authority to enact just about any type rule they wish to regulate just about any type activity on a member's lot. Frankly, this is quite a bit scary!
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 08/21/2008 7:49 AM
Mary, I still feel, (and the rest of our board feels this way, too) that the section "any activities on the Lot" cannot be taken out of context with the rest of the sentence that appears, at least to us, to only cover those activities that already are covered in the CC&Rs, but allow for the Rules to clarify or supplement them.

This is where the trepidation comes from.

Which is also why we don't really have any Rules & Regs yet, but simply offer to amend a restriction to get to the same place: clarifying, supplementing, in some places actually changing (since you CAN do that with an amendment and not a Rule or Reg) the area or item that is in question.

We are in the process of stepping into the Rules & Regs fray with garbage cans, for example. Our restrictions says that they are to be stored in such a way as to not be visible from "the front of the house."

We are trying to work on a Rule for that whereby someone can place their garbage can at the side of their house, as long as it is screened in some way, by shrubbery (Shrubbery! Ni Ni Ni!), for example.


From what I am understanding, and I could be totally wrong, there are now two different interpretations of the R&Rs section of our CCR.

Mary believes that "any activities on the Lot" allows for sports activities (trampolines and basketball nets, and anything the current BOD desires) to be addressed and/or banned even if not specified in the CCR's.

Michele believes that pulling that phrase out of context from the remainder of the sentence, which is lengthy, changes the intent from what is specified in the CCR's for clarification and supplementation. If those acitivites aren't specified, then going for a CCR amendment change would have to occur in order to address.

Am I understanding these two positions correctly?

I hope there will be further input on this topic from more members, because these two positions can present two totally opposite outcomes.

This also applies to our trash receptacle issue. Another R&R implemented by the BOD, although not specified in the CCR's which just addresses clothesline not to be visible from the street. The BOD added a R&R saying trash receptacles also could not be visible from the street, again under this same section of FURTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS citing the phrase "maintenance of" to allow the Rule.

Makes me wonder why these R&R should be created at all......

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:

    From what I am understanding, and I could be totally wrong, there are now two different interpretations of the R&Rs section of our CCR.

    Mary believes that "any activities on the Lot" allows for sports activities (trampolines and basketball nets, and anything the current BOD desires) to be addressed and/or banned even if not specified in the CCR's.

    Michele believes that pulling that phrase out of context from the remainder of the sentence, which is lengthy, changes the intent from what is specified in the CCR's for clarification and supplementation. If those acitivites aren't specified, then going for a CCR amendment change would have to occur in order to address.

    Am I understanding these two positions correctly?

    I hope there will be further input on this topic from more members, because these two positions can present two totally opposite outcomes.

Gloria,

To throw fuel on the fire,m here is how the Indiana Court of Appeals interprets covenants:
    "Indiana law permits restrictive covenants but finds them disfavored and justified only to the extent they are unambiguous and enforcement is not adverse to public policy. Holliday v. Crooked Creek Villages Homeowners Assoc., Inc., 759 N.E.2d 1088, 1092 (Ind. Ct. App. 2001).

    When courts are called upon to interpret restrictive covenants, they are to be strictly construed, and all doubts should be resolved in favor of the free use of property and against restrictions. Renfro, 799 N.E.2d at 547.

    The covenanting parties’ intent must be determined from the specific language used and from the situation of the parties when the covenant was made. Mayer, 830 N.E.2d at 979. Specific words and phrases cannot be read exclusive of other contractual provisions. Id.

    In addition, the parties’ intentions must be determined from the contract read in its entirety. Id.

    We attempt to construe contractual provisions so as to harmonize the agreement, id., and so as not to render any terms ineffective or meaningless, City of Lawrenceburg v. Milestone Contractors, L.P., 809 N.E.2d 879, 883 (Ind. Ct. App. 2004), trans. denied.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11170605ewn.pdf

This may provide some guidance to you in determining the most appropriate way to interpret language in the covenants.

Cheers!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
GloriaL, I think you've capsulized my position fairly accurately.

Mary, our restriction is almost identical to theirs.

Because it is so ambiguous, in our minds, we opted to take a fairly conservative route and went ahead and developed amendments that the residents can either accept and approve, or disapprove, at which point it would be silly to enact any Rule or Regulation restricting something that is not only not desired by the bulk of the residents, but that might not stand up under a challenge.

I suppose if it were something that someone felt strongly about, we'd probably get some lawyers involved to haggle through an interpretation for us.

For what it's worth (give it whatever personal weight you want, just offering it as a side note), the one board member we have who is a retired judge has pretty much said in his interpretation that the covenant, as written, does not allow us to create a Rule or Regulation governing sports equipment (either in general or any specific ones) as neither "sports equipment" nor "playground equipment, with the exception of specifically "playhouses," are not addressed in our CC&Rs. He is the one who recommended we simply go ahead and do it cleanly and make an amendment covering the particular sport equipment that was causing concern in the neighborhood: basketball goals.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Gloria, in reply to your query as to whether R&Rs should be created at all, I believe they do have a place, and in some HOAs, they probably can be a bit more encompassing.

But, from our understanding of our language, which is very similar to yours, we have to be very careful in what we set up as an R&R.

For example, our CC&Rs address mailboxes only that they are to be approved for placement and appearance.

So our boad developed a Rule covering mailboxes that they are to be black in color, have an attached paper slot, be mounted on a specific type of pole, etc etc. It also specifies that they cannot be enclosed in brick or any other materials. I believe they also specify that they have to be metal, but don't have the wording in front of me.

There is also language in our CC&Rs that talks about the lot must be maintained and be free of weeds and other debris, or something along those lines.

So the board is working on an R&R that further clarifies what "maintained" must at a minimum look like, among other things. But I'm not on that committee so I don't know where they are with the language yet.

Anyway, changing CC&Rs and developing R&Rs always manages to elevate my anxiety level, since I try as much as possible to be a live-and-let-live sort of person, and am pretty literal, if the situation allows. Unfortunately, so many provisions and covenants are so vague or ambiguous, no doubt as a result of boilerplate construction, that we (the board members) sometimes have to take that "leap of faith" into interpreting, clarifying, and supplementing!

Still always makes me nervous, though.
GloriaL (Georgia)
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 08/21/2008 12:21 PM

    From what I am understanding, and I could be totally wrong, there are now two different interpretations of the R&Rs section of our CCR.

    Mary believes that "any activities on the Lot" allows for sports activities (trampolines and basketball nets, and anything the current BOD desires) to be addressed and/or banned even if not specified in the CCR's.

    Michele believes that pulling that phrase out of context from the remainder of the sentence, which is lengthy, changes the intent from what is specified in the CCR's for clarification and supplementation. If those acitivites aren't specified, then going for a CCR amendment change would have to occur in order to address.

    Am I understanding these two positions correctly?

    I hope there will be further input on this topic from more members, because these two positions can present two totally opposite outcomes.

Gloria,

To throw fuel on the fire,m here is how the Indiana Court of Appeals interprets covenants:
    "Indiana law permits restrictive covenants but finds them disfavored and justified only to the extent they are unambiguous and enforcement is not adverse to public policy. Holliday v. Crooked Creek Villages Homeowners Assoc., Inc., 759 N.E.2d 1088, 1092 (Ind. Ct. App. 2001).

    When courts are called upon to interpret restrictive covenants, they are to be strictly construed, and all doubts should be resolved in favor of the free use of property and against restrictions. Renfro, 799 N.E.2d at 547.

    The covenanting parties’ intent must be determined from the specific language used and from the situation of the parties when the covenant was made. Mayer, 830 N.E.2d at 979. Specific words and phrases cannot be read exclusive of other contractual provisions. Id.

    In addition, the parties’ intentions must be determined from the contract read in its entirety. Id.

    We attempt to construe contractual provisions so as to harmonize the agreement, id., and so as not to render any terms ineffective or meaningless, City of Lawrenceburg v. Milestone Contractors, L.P., 809 N.E.2d 879, 883 (Ind. Ct. App. 2004), trans. denied.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11170605ewn.pdf

This may provide some guidance to you in determining the most appropriate way to interpret language in the covenants.

Cheers!

I love your last sentence..."This may provide some guidance to you in determining the most appropriate way to interpret language in convenants. Cheers!"

I think that what it has absolutely determined is that I need a large glass of wine!!!!!!!!

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