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GregT3 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
In the state of Georgia....

We recently took over our HOA from the builder, and released the management company.

How do we make sure a person buying a house is aware of the initiation fee and yearly dues? All this needs to be paid at closing, with the yearly dues being prorated.

Thx.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
This is great question for an active PM. In talking with our current PM, it's my understanding that not only does the sellers request for the HOA packet trigger the process, but usually (Just prior to settlement), the settlment attorney request a statement from the HOA that prorates the HOA fee, verifies that there hasn''t been an other liens, lawsuits, or judgements. A settlement attorney, real estate agent or PM could expand on this in a lot better detail. I don't know if Georgia has a law that requires that the seller provide new, current HOA docs to the buyer during the sales process; but we have noticed (especially where a private sale takes place), that no one will request a copy of the HOA docs, so it's not until perhaps the day before settlement that the attorney calls the PM asking for the last update on HOA fees etc.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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There is no formal requirement in Kentucky that the HOA send or provide any documents, much less the deed restrictions or notice of annual assessments, to new buyers.

In Kentucky it's the onus of the seller and/or the title attorney to do that. The only time we get nudged is when there is an existing lien on the property and the closing attorney calls to get the payoff.

The Catch-22 there is that among the gazillion piles of papers that new buyers sign and initial their lives away on is one that contains only one small paragraph stating something to the effect that there MIGHT be covenants tied to the land and there MIGHT be mandatory HOA membership, complete with assessments, but that the buyer waives notice from the Title attorney (or releases the title attorney from any responsibility of providing those prior to sale).

And the only reason I know this is because in the process of purchasing a home for my dad, this little slip of paper popped up.

Now, it might also have been there when my husband and I purchased our current home years ago, but we probably didn't digest what it said and initialed it anyway.

THIS time I read it and asked the closing attorney what it meant. He said basically if there's an HOA with dues and/or covenants then the title attorney can't be held responsible for providing that information.

That was critically important in this case, because my dad was NOT going to come back from Colorado to live in a deed restricted community. So we had to stop the closing and make sure to get a full search done to make sure there weren't any lurking deed restrictions anywhere.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Michele,

Do you have any ideas as to solving the problem you describe?

It seems to me that in some way the homeowners association needs to be sitting (figuratively or in reality) at the table at closing.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Posted By GregT3 on 08/15/2008 6:35 AM
In the state of Georgia....

We recently took over our HOA from the builder, and released the management company.

How do we make sure a person buying a house is aware of the initiation fee and yearly dues? All this needs to be paid at closing, with the yearly dues being prorated.

Thx.

Greg:

I don't know that there is ever a good way to figure this out...the realtor should get that information and a good one will ask those questions and tell the prospective buyer...in some states the disclosure form asks what HOA fees are and the seller ethically needs to put that info out there.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 08/15/2008 7:22 AM
Michele,

Do you have any ideas as to solving the problem you describe?

It seems to me that in some way the homeowners association needs to be sitting (figuratively or in reality) at the table at closing.


The only viable way would be to push for state legislation requiring certain disclosure procedures be carried out by the HOA, the title company, the R.E. agent, etc. The R.E. Dept can make certain requirements of their agents, same with the title companys. However, w/o the benefit of state law the requirements may not trickle down to everyone concerned.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By GregT3 on 08/15/2008 6:35 AM
In the state of Georgia....

We recently took over our HOA from the builder, and released the management company.

How do we make sure a person buying a house is aware of the initiation fee and yearly dues? All this needs to be paid at closing, with the yearly dues being prorated.

Thx.

Greg,

Kudos to you and your fellow board members for wanting to put the right procedure in place to ensure that all the members of your assn know exactly what they've bought into.

You may want to contact a title agency to see if there are procedures already in place to obtain this info on HOA properties. I believe all title companys would be bound by the same procedure. You could also contact the R.E. Dept to ascertain what requirements are made of R.E. agents when listing/selling HOA properties. Absent any regulations or procedures from either, I would suggest that each time you see a property for sale you contact the listing agent and make them aware of the presence of an HOA. Let them know you will provide copies of all gov. docs. to a potential buyer and ask them to inform the title company that the HOA should be informed when closing is scheduled. The title co. should know how much to collect for assessments from the buyer and the seller and if there are any outstanding liens against the seller that should be collected at closing. If you live in a small community, this won't be too hard a task; however, if you're in a rather large community -- good luck.

I understand GA doesn't have very many HOA laws. Perhaps a disclosure law is one that should be pushed for!
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Greg,

Do you or any of your Board have complete files from your own closings? Are you still on good terms with your previous PM? Either might be a good source for what's required. Or, just wait for the next sale in your neighborhood. The buyer's or seller's rep will (should) know what's required.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

In Florida, any association documents, fees and declarations are included in the DISCLOSURE documents when a seller fills in the original contract for the sale.It is the Teal Estate agents responsibility to list them on the paperwork. Title companys who do the searches also have any fees or dues owed. Banks when they fill out the loan applications for the buyers also include the dues and original initiation into the associations. Many loan institutions now hold assessments and dues in escrow so that they are not stuck with these huge charges by associations in the foreclosures.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would start by talking to a title company. When they do a title search they should find and report such things as a mandatory HOA and covenants. It should come bubbling up in a title search. And it could be why Texas now requires title insurance for the buyer (the banks already generally require such, but now in Texas the buyer also gets insurance).

I do know that in my case the survey (I believe required in Texas) also indicated the presence of the HOA (though it incorrectly identified the documentation declaring such).

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