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DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
I live in a small 13 lot development. There are presently 4 homes occupied, 1 purchased for resale and not selling, sitting empty, and 1 purchased as a vacation home with the rest being undeveloped lots. The owner of the vacation home has now died and the widow has tried, unsuccessfully, for sometime to sell. Now she is willing to rent to help pay expenses. Our covenants, by-laws make no mention of renting. The only time renting was discussed was when the association was first set up 3 years ago. The minutes read "The rental of your home for a long period of time such as 6 months to a year would be okay if the association was notified of the change in status." There were only four familes present at that meeting. The current owners (2 of the original 4 are no longer owners) feel we should have rules in place for renters before allowing this one owner to move forward with renting. There is a renter awaiting approval. What are we legal to do at this point? Can rules be made about renting? Can someone be denied the rental of their property? What type of rules would be legal? Any points or comments welcome and appreciated. Feel free to ask for clarification if I haven't been specific enough. (I did not own originally.)
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Diane has the HOA been turned over to the homeowners or is it still under the Declarant's ownership? If the latter there may be nothing you can do without his/her approval.

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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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This is a repost from another thread to give you some ideas for rental restrictions but remember what ever you do the owner is ultimately responsible for the renter's actions:

Gary I believe a better way to go is to put in place protections to protect your Association from bad renters and landlords. I believe it was Donna that mentioned she had property in an Association that required an owner to occupy the home for two years before it could be rented to prevent speculators. This of course would not affect the houses currently for rent but could be phased in; I would however have a hardship provision where an owner could apply for a variance on this as emergencies do happen.

While the homeowner is ultimately responsible for their tenant's actions, you can add some protections by requiring certain language in the lease or as an addendum to the lease. Some of the things I would suggest in no particular order are:

1. Make the minimum rental term at least 6 months preferably a year.

2. Add something to the effect of if the homeowner becomes delinquent with their assessments then the Association can collect them and any past due amounts directly from the tenant and the owner must credit the money paid by the tenant as rent. In other words if your monthly assessment is $150.00 and the H/O is delinquent then the BOD collects the $150.00 from the tenant directly. When the tenant sends the owner his rent minus the $150.00 the owner must credit it as if the tenant paid him in full.

3. I would also include language that if you have amenities (pool, tennis court etc.) the owner either assigns the amenity to the tenant and cannot use it for the term of the rental or keeps it for their self and the tenant can't use it.

4. Give the Association the power to initiate eviction actions against problem tenants with the cost to be born by the homeowner.

And finally when you have the whole thing drafted have it looked over by an attorney to make sure it doesn't violate the landlord - tenant law in your state and adequately protects your Association as much as possible.

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DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
GlenL - Thank you for your reply. The developer has turned the community over to the association already. The association agrees it needx rules and quickly. Can the owner trying to rent currently be told she cannot rent until the Association has its rules in place?
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
Wouldn't it be better to put this language in the by-laws and CCR's instead of the lease agreement? I am faced with this exact problem right now, i.e., illegal renter. The PO is in Mexico and the person renting out his house does not have POA or a lease. The renters are troublemakers and the neighbors have been constantly complaining about them. I have been researching to find a legislative bill similar to the one in Ohio that gives an HOA authority to initiate evictions. Right now our hands are tied and I have talked to the "landlord" and given him a deadline to get POA and a lease turned in. If he doesn't get this done, I'm not sure what our next step would be. Ask him to evict??
GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By DianeW on 08/14/2008 8:01 AM
GlenL - Thank you for your reply. The developer has turned the community over to the association already. The association agrees it needx rules and quickly. Can the owner trying to rent currently be told she cannot rent until the Association has its rules in place?

Diane it would IMO be improper to make the owner wait and they could have an action against the HOA if you tried and it cost them a tenant. Get the rules in place and they will have to comply the next time it's rented or when the lease is renewed.

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DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
GlenL - I agree with you completely. But I am definitely in the minority on this and I was hoping someone would come forward and give some legal information for me to pass on to the Board so they will allow the rental to move forward now and then make rules for the future.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
We don't give legal advice here but there was a post a while back from someone who lost a rental due to something very similar and wanted to sue the BOD to recoup her loses.

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GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By JanM on 08/14/2008 8:07 AM
Wouldn't it be better to put this language in the by-laws and CCR's instead of the lease agreement? I am faced with this exact problem right now, i.e., illegal renter. The PO is in Mexico and the person renting out his house does not have POA or a lease. The renters are troublemakers and the neighbors have been constantly complaining about them. I have been researching to find a legislative bill similar to the one in Ohio that gives an HOA authority to initiate evictions. Right now our hands are tied and I have talked to the "landlord" and given him a deadline to get POA and a lease turned in. If he doesn't get this done, I'm not sure what our next step would be. Ask him to evict??

Jan we have that provision (initiate eviction) in our documents courtesy of 5311.19 ORC but I believe we are the only state that currently provides this power by statute. As to where to best place the rental rules in your documents you should consult your HOA attorney however it is often easier to make a rule than to change the Declarations or the By-Laws.

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KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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...Our covenants, by-laws make no mention of renting. The only time renting was discussed was when the association was first set up 3 years ago. The minutes read "The rental of your home for a long period of time such as 6 months to a year would be okay if the association was notified of the change in status." ...

I seriously doubt that the minutes would be upheld as a legally binding mandate. And even if they somehow did, the owner could still rent out the until for a year without permission.

I seriously doubt that you can restrict rentals at all given that it isn't mentioned in the covenants or by-laws. Right or wrong, I feel that to enact such a restriction should absolutely require amending the covenants though I don't know that a court would agree.

Beyond this, what are you hoping to accomplish? Gently remind the owner that she is responsible for keeping the property in compliance with the CC&Rs. As such, she should put wording in her lease to allow her recourse against the renter should a problem come up. How she protects herself is really not your problem.

Then be very neighborly to the new people when they move in. Treat them well and hope for the best. Your best bet is to not treat them different because they are renters.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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Since there are NO rules about rentals, I would suggest to the owner that he/she wait until guidlelines are written - and then do it ASAP.

To allow someone to rent out could be a problem in the future. It is very difficult to try to enforce something retroactive.

This is too important of an issue to let it go.
DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
Thanks everyone. What I am hearing is that the Board cannot dictate to the owner whom to rent to nor can they deny her the right to rent since it is not in our legal documents. If the majority of owners want to restrict rentals, the covenants will need to be changed. One thing I did find in Georgia state law was that you can restrict the number of people in a unit based on number of bedrooms. It appears that most anything other than that would be considered discriminatory and leave the Board open to a lawsuit. And since this Board has refused to move forward on the issue of insurance, I can't imagine they would want that to happen.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
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Posted By JanM on 08/14/2008 8:07 AM
Wouldn't it be better to put this language in the by-laws and CCR's instead of the lease agreement? I am faced with this exact problem right now, i.e., illegal renter. The PO is in Mexico and the person renting out his house does not have POA or a lease. The renters are troublemakers and the neighbors have been constantly complaining about them. I have been researching to find a legislative bill similar to the one in Ohio that gives an HOA authority to initiate evictions. Right now our hands are tied and I have talked to the "landlord" and given him a deadline to get POA and a lease turned in. If he doesn't get this done, I'm not sure what our next step would be. Ask him to evict??

Jan - you treat it the same as you would treat problems with any other property in the neighborhood. Your contract is with the owner so you send your notices to the owner and it is up to him to get his renter to comply. If necessary, you go to court and get a judgement against the owner. In extreme cases the judge can order an eviction.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Diane,

I think you have a great handle on it. I wouldn't try to slow the owner down any because that could come to haunt you. Keep in mind that if your actions slow her down and are later to be found beyond your scope you suddenly are on the hook for her costs.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By DianeW on 08/14/2008 12:12 PM
Thanks everyone. What I am hearing is that the Board cannot dictate to the owner whom to rent to nor can they deny her the right to rent since it is not in our legal documents. If the majority of owners want to restrict rentals, the covenants will need to be changed. One thing I did find in Georgia state law was that you can restrict the number of people in a unit based on number of bedrooms. It appears that most anything other than that would be considered discriminatory and leave the Board open to a lawsuit. And since this Board has refused to move forward on the issue of insurance, I can't imagine they would want that to happen.

Diane,

I believe you've got it right! Now regarding GA law and the number of occupants vs the number of bedrooms: are you sure that isn't a law that ONLY applies to rental properties or public housing?
DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
I did find that rule on a GA government site. It did apply to rentals so that is why I mentioned it. It appeared to be the only allowable restriction. That was my interpretation anyway.
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
Um, the owner is in Mexico, as in a mexican national. We have no "address" to send notices to. The person overseeing his property is also mexican and knows very little english. We have talked to the overseer and we think he understands the situation. I'm just wondering what our next step would be if POA and a lease is not produced soon.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Diane - your said: "The association agrees it needx rules and quickly. Can the owner trying to rent currently be told she cannot rent until the Association has its rules in place?"

If she wanted to build a pool, would you let her go ahead, without the guidelines in place?

Your Association is NOT ready to grant to approve or disapprove for any petitions.

You are in limbo, right now and need to act quickly. Call a special meeting of the Board and at least get a resolution - to be ratified later as a Rule. You MUST get something in writing!

DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
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Posted By JanM on 08/15/2008 4:26 AM
Um, the owner is in Mexico, as in a mexican national. We have no "address" to send notices to. The person overseeing his property is also mexican and knows very little english. We have talked to the overseer and we think he understands the situation. I'm just wondering what our next step would be if POA and a lease is not produced soon.

Jan - you still treat them as you would any other property owner. The fact that the owner or his agent is Mexican is irrelevant. You send your initial notice of the violation to the last known address of the owner or their agent. When that doesn't get you any results, you do a title search with the county and send a certified notice to the address that they have for the owner. It's up to the owner (or his agent) to get the notices translated if necessary.

You should have a documented process to follow for your violation enforcement. So long as you follow that process consistently for all owners and make your best effort to send the notices to the owner, then if does it end up in court you should be able to get a judgement against the owner and eviction of the problem tenant. It will probably be a long process, but it can be done.

BTW: What is "POA"? I don't recognize that acronym.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Diane,

You are correct in your hearing that the Board CANNOT interfere with the owner wanting to rent out her unit or home. She should get it do soon if she wants to rent without the Board starting to find ways to stop her, probably without knowing that they must change things in the documents first. I went thru this in a villa that I own and rent out.

The Board CANNOT make a rule or rules against renting. This will have to be done thru an amendment to the CC&Rs or protective covenants, whatever you call yours. Then after a vote to the community and if it passes, then the Board can fine tune some rules to control and restrict renting of units. There are some good points that have been posted here on this site that might help you in writting the amendment restrictions but for now, your units can be rented out.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
The following Indiana case, decided three months ago may be of some interest here:
    "The underlying dispute (in Villas West II of Willowridge v. Edna McGlothin) arose when the homeowners’ association sued an owner (McGlothin) for renting her residence, in violation of a covenant barring rentals in the community. The association sued her (and her estate after she died), arguing that the rental ban was needed to protect property values within the community and was consistent with the association’s obligation to do so.

    "McGlothin countersued, arguing that the covenant violated the Fair Housing Act because it had a “disparate impact” on Blacks – that is, it prohibited more Blacks than whites from living in the community, and thus had adiscriminatory effect, even if the policy’s intent was not itself discriminatory.

    "The question at issue was not the right of associations to enact restrictive covenants designed to protect property values, but whether this restrictive covenant in this community had an adverse and discriminatory impact on a protected class.

    "In this case, the community association had cited its interest in barring rentals to tenants with little interest in maintaining property values. McGlothin contended that the community’s rules requiring appropriate attention to maintenance addressed that concern, and the lower courts agreed that the rules “more than adequately assured a neat, clean and visually attractive environment and a high degree of property maintenance.” As a result, the appeals court concluded, “plaintiff’s justification for the no-rent provision lacks a factual basis and is mere subterfuge, rendering said provision unnecessary and useless.”

    "The state Supreme Court reached a different conclusion, finding that the community’s rules did not, in fact, provide “an equally effective means of maintaining property values.” The lower courts erred, the Supreme Court said, by failing to consider adequately the distinction between ownership and occupancy."


Nevertheless,
    when the appeals court rejected the rental ban, many association attorneys in other states began to advise association clients that their restrictive rental covenants might be subject to similar legal challenges.

    "Exercising an abundance of caution, many attorneys will continue to note that possibility, pointing out that while a higher court has now upheld Indiana’s rental covenants and rejected the argument that they are discriminatory, courts in other jurisdictions could go the other way."
http://www.meeb.com/current_alert2.htm

The Indiana Supreme Court opinion can be found here:
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/05150801rts.pdf
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Susan,

Quite simply, if you don't have the issue addressed in the covenants, then you can not act. With respect to a pool - if it isn't addressed in the covenants, you can not stop it. Trying to act outside the scope of the CC&Rs is a breach of fiduciary responsibility. Before going there I would seriously check with a lawyer to ensure that you won't breach your insurance contract leaving you personally with a huge legal bill.

You are covered when a reasonable person might take the same action. But you might have a hard time convincing people that a reasonable person believes the covenants allow the banning of an action while you attempt to amend said covenants to cover your tracks.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Kirk,

Your last sentence is very profound. I have seen in my dealing with associations and have read right here on this site, what I call "Knee Jerk" reactions to situations that are not addressed in protective covenants and sometimes because of a once in a lifetime occurance.

A Board has the fudituary duty to enforce the documents and to protect the association members and the system itself. To change the CC&Rs is not something that should be considered lightly. It is expensive , sometimes devisive and takes time to think things out.

But most of all, any change has concequences, sometimes not positive to the membership. Renting is and always will be so controversial to the membership. The "all renters are bad" mentality is not realistic. I rented when I was younger and I'll bet most of us did so. Yes, we can argue that renters do this and renters do that. and that's the way life is.

Banning renters can also cause a hardship on owners of units where some catastrophic thing happens. Owners are then stuck with no way out of ownership especially in todays market. Many owners who have lost their homes have to have a place to go. Renting is an only option for them.

I am in favor of very strict renting rules and to prevent speculators from gobbling up all of these foreclosures , more rules need to be enacted by Boards. Times have changed and those associations that don't adapt to the way the country is changing will become lost in this new market of homeowning. So if you want to control renters, do so by guidelines that control how the association deals with them, not by banning them.
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
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Posted By DwightT on 08/15/2008 8:52 AM
Posted By JanM on 08/15/2008 4:26 AM
Um, the owner is in Mexico, as in a mexican national. We have no "address" to send notices to. The person overseeing his property is also mexican and knows very little english. We have talked to the overseer and we think he understands the situation. I'm just wondering what our next step would be if POA and a lease is not produced soon.


Jan - you still treat them as you would any other property owner. The fact that the owner or his agent is Mexican is irrelevant. You send your initial notice of the violation to the last known address of the owner or their agent. When that doesn't get you any results, you do a title search with the county and send a certified notice to the address that they have for the owner. It's up to the owner (or his agent) to get the notices translated if necessary.

You should have a documented process to follow for your violation enforcement. So long as you follow that process consistently for all owners and make your best effort to send the notices to the owner, then if does it end up in court you should be able to get a judgement against the owner and eviction of the problem tenant. It will probably be a long process, but it can be done.

BTW: What is "POA"? I don't recognize that acronym.

POA is power of attorney.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
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Posted By JanM on 08/18/2008 6:45 AM

POA is power of attorney.

Ah. That make more sense. Usually in this forum, I've seen POA used for "Property Owner's Association", which just didn't make sense in the context of your posts.

Thanks for the clarification.
SG2 (California)
Posts: 1
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I'm quoting from "Creating Rental Restriction Policies The Right Way" by Richard Thompson. I found this on the Reality Times web page.

"...restricting rentals to protect mortgage options for unit owners can be justified.

The reason is that when the number of rented units exceeds about 1/3 of the total, some lenders won't make loans or will only offer high-cost "investor" financing. With "too many" renters, the property is viewed as an "investment property" even if people would like to buy and live in their units. Investment property loans are higher risk and investors are historically less willing to invest money in maintenance and repairs. This jeopardizes a lender's collateral even for owner-occupied units, raises resident owner costs, makes units more difficult to re-sell (because larger down payments are required for investor loans), and increases the odds of loan default.

When contemplating a rental restriction policy, closely examine the association's governing documents for existing restrictions and seek advice from legal counsel..."

I hope this gives you some additional help.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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SG2,

I think we discussed this rental limitation on another thread. I researched the FHA website and found that they require a 51% owner occupancy. Note this is only for FHA financing.

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