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FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Quorum Requirements for Association Meetings...........At all meetings of owners, a quorum for the transaction of business through the presence or by proxy of such members, shall be established at fifty-one (51%) of the total voting power of the association which shall be sufficient for the passage of any motion or adoption of any resolution, except in connection with amendment or repeal of this Declaration, as hereinafter set forth under Articles X or XVI. If the required quorum is not present, another meeting may be called subject to the written notice requirements sent to all members at least ten (10) days in advance of such meeting, and the required at the subsequent meeting shall be one-half (1/2) of the required quorum for the preceding meeting. In the absence of a quorum at a meeting of members, a majority of those present in person or by proxy may adjourn the meeting to another time, but may not transact any other business. An adjournment for lack of a quorum shall be to a date not less than five (5) nor more than thirty (30) days from the original meeting date.

Can anyone explain this to me?

Thanks
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By FredN on 08/12/2008 7:26 PM
Quorum Requirements for Association Meetings...........At all meetings of owners, a quorum for the transaction of business through the presence or by proxy of such members, shall be established at fifty-one (51%) of the total voting power of the association which shall be sufficient for the passage of any motion or adoption of any resolution, except in connection with amendment or repeal of this Declaration, as hereinafter set forth under Articles X or XVI. If the required quorum is not present, another meeting may be called subject to the written notice requirements sent to all members at least ten (10) days in advance of such meeting, and the required at the subsequent meeting shall be one-half (1/2) of the required quorum for the preceding meeting. In the absence of a quorum at a meeting of members, a majority of those present in person or by proxy may adjourn the meeting to another time, but may not transact any other business. An adjournment for lack of a quorum shall be to a date not less than five (5) nor more than thirty (30) days from the original meeting date.
Can anyone explain this to me?

Thanks

Fred,

I'll try!

At the initial meeting a quorum of 51% is required. If not met another meeting may be scheduled.

At least a 10-day notice is required for the rescheduled meeting; however it cannot be held less than 5 days nor more than 30 days from the original meeting date. The quorum for the rescheduled meeting is reduced to 26%.

If the meeting must be rescheduled because of a lack of quorum, no "other" business may be transacted at that meeting. IMO, this means only the business that was to take place at the original meeting can take place at the rescheduled meeting.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By MaryA1 on 08/12/2008 7:51 PM

Fred,

I'll try!

At the initial meeting a quorum of 51% is required. If not met another meeting may be scheduled.

At least a 10-day notice is required for the rescheduled meeting; however it cannot be held less than 5 days nor more than 30 days from the original meeting date. The quorum for the rescheduled meeting is reduced to 26%.

If the meeting must be rescheduled because of a lack of quorum, no "other" business may be transacted at that meeting. IMO, this means only the business that was to take place at the original meeting can take place at the rescheduled meeting.


Did you note the oddity?
    At least a 10-day notice is required for the rescheduled meeting; however it cannot be held less than 5 days nor more than 30 days from the original meeting date.


If a 10 day notice is required, the meeting could not be held less than 10 days from the original meeting, unless the notice went out prior to the first meeting.

Here is one way to deal with the quorum problem that has passed muster in Indiana. (It may not pass the legal smell test elsewhere, however.)

The following language is contained in the first notice of the meeting.
    If a quorum of members, either in person or by proxy, is not present, the [Annual] Meeting will be adjourned and subsequent [Annual] Meeting(s) convened immediately thereafter at the place cited above until a quorum, in person or by proxy, is achieved.

    This notice shall constitute the notice required by the By-laws of the initial meeting and any and all subsequent meetings, if needed, to achieve a quorum for the conduct of business.


Can this technique be abused? Absolutely. Yet, it provides a effective and efficient way to achieve a quorum without dragging the process out over weeks and months.

Here is how the minutes were handled:
    7:05 pm meeting called to order, 67 resident votes needed to have quorum, 32 were received. Quorum not
    met
    7:06 pm meeting adjourned, next meeting to convene at 7:15 pm today
    7:15pm meeting called to order, 34 resident votes needed to have quorum, quorum not met
    7:16 pm meeting adjourned, next meeting to convene at 7:20 pm today
    7:20pm meeting called to order, votes tabulated, 17 resident votes need to have quorum, quorum reached

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
1) At all meetings of owners, a quorum for the transaction of business through the presence or by proxy of such members, shall be established at fifty-one (51%) of the total voting power of the association which shall be sufficient for the passage of any motion or adoption of any resolution, except in connection with amendment or repeal of this Declaration, as hereinafter set forth under Articles X or XVI.

Means: Quorum needed to conduct business (pass any motion or hold election) at an Annual Meeting (EXCEPT amendment of Declaration), is 51% of the members - either in person OR by proxy.

2) If the required quorum is not present, another meeting may be called subject to the written notice requirements sent to all members at least ten (10) days in advance of such meeting, and the required at the subsequent meeting shall be one-half (1/2) of the required quorum for the preceding meeting.
Means: if the original meeting did NOT reach the quorum, give notice for another meeting at least 10 days, where the quorum is REDUCED to 1/2 of the original quorum.

3) In the absence of a quorum at a meeting of members, a majority of those present in person or by proxy may adjourn the meeting to another time, but may not transact any other business. An adjournment for lack of a quorum shall be to a date not less than five (5) nor more than thirty (30) days from the original meeting date.
Means: Not clear if this applies to step 1 AND step 2 - or - maybe JUST step 1. But means if a quorum can't be met, then those there AND by proxy can vote (by majority) to adjourn to another time, but only to deal with a specific agenda item (elections?) This meeting must be within 5 - 30 days of the ORIGINAL meeting date.

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It sounds like this give the association some BROAD alternative options for conducting business (like an election) when it is having trouble getting a quorum at the original meeting. What is not clear is how the proxies fit in terms of voting power.

In short, IMHO, the QUORUM for the original meeting is too high. If elections aren't that important, then whomever is there ought to hold them and everyone gets the Board that is voted in.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
George,

Yes, I, too, noticed the "oddity". In fact, I started to comment on it but decided not to as I didn't want to confuse the issue. Just another reason to wonder "Just "who" writes these documents?" LOL
FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Subject to this.......

Written Notice of Meetings........ Written notice of regular and special meetings shall be given to members by the Board at least ten (10) days in advance of any such meeting. The notice shall specify the date, time and place of meeting and in the case of a special meeting, the nature of business to be undertaken. A special meeting of members of the Association shall be promptly called by the Board upon: (a) the vote for such a meeting by a majority of a quorum of the Board; or (b) receipt or written request therefor, signed by members representing twenty-five (25%) percent of the total voting power of the Association, or by members representing not less than fifteen (15%) percent of the voting power residing in members other than Declarant.

Who """ MAY """ reduced the meeting to 25% is the question I have.....

Its a serious control issue in our complex. Before the new election law of 2006 they used to reduce the quorum. Than they stopped to keep certian homeowners off the board. 200 units and we only got 1/3 the votes. With the reduction it works....without, they control for life.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By FredN on 08/13/2008 7:42 AM
Subject to this.......

Written Notice of Meetings........ Written notice of regular and special meetings shall be given to members by the Board at least ten (10) days in advance of any such meeting. The notice shall specify the date, time and place of meeting and in the case of a special meeting, the nature of business to be undertaken. A special meeting of members of the Association shall be promptly called by the Board upon: (a) the vote for such a meeting by a majority of a quorum of the Board; or (b) receipt or written request therefor, signed by members representing twenty-five (25%) percent of the total voting power of the Association, or by members representing not less than fifteen (15%) percent of the voting power residing in members other than Declarant.

Who """ MAY """ reduced the meeting to 25% is the question I have.....

Its a serious control issue in our complex. Before the new election law of 2006 they used to reduce the quorum. Than they stopped to keep certian homeowners off the board. 200 units and we only got 1/3 the votes. With the reduction it works....without, they control for life.

Fred,

The article you've posted deals with noticing special meetings. The quorum is not 25%; that is the % of members required to call a special meeting.

However, to answer you question about "who" reduces the quorum: Your bylaws dictate the reduced quorum requirement. But that only applies a quorum is not attained at the initial meeting. When the rescheduled meeting is held, the board can announce the reduced quorum requirement and determine if it has been attained. If so, the election takes place. The board cannot arbitrarily reduce the quorum just to suit their needs. If the required quorum is reached the meeting must be held, unless adjourned for a reason other than a lack of quorum.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Fred,

Sorry I meant to add:

Because this is a meeting of the members, the members -- not just the board -- would have to vote on the adjournment.
FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
How many people are needed to vote at the meeting?

Last year we had around 30 people and for the second year in a row they tossed us out and said....... no quorum the board remains the same.......The election is coming up again..

Thanks
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
IMHO -

The minute that the meeting was declared unquorate, someone should have motioned for the meeting to be adjourned to another date within 5 - 30 days FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE ELECTION ONLY. It would have needed a majority vote to approve.

It says you can do this!!! "In the absence of a quorum at a meeting of members, a majority of those present in person or by proxy may adjourn the meeting to another time, but may not transact any other business. An adjournment for lack of a quorum shall be to a date not less than five (5) nor more than thirty (30) days from the original meeting date."

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By FredN on 08/13/2008 6:39 PM
How many people are needed to vote at the meeting?

Last year we had around 30 people and for the second year in a row they tossed us out and said....... no quorum the board remains the same.......The election is coming up again..

Thanks

Fred,

You posted the following from your bylaws: "At all meetings of owners, a quorum for the transaction of business through the presence or by proxy of such members, shall be established at fifty-one (51%) of the total voting power of the association which shall be sufficient for the passage of any motion or adoption of any resolution,. . ."

You haven't mention how members are in your assn; however, 51% of the total members of the assn are required to meet the quorum. The quorum is determined by the number of people attending the meeting plus those who have sent in proxies. Nothing is stopping you or any other members from going out and trying to gather proxies to ensure there is a quorum this time around! Also, if the board tries to cancel the meeting again because of a lack of quorum don't be afraid to make a motion to reschedule the meeting as outlined in the bylaws. The rescheduled meeting will only require 26% of the members to attain the quorum. The Board Pres cannot prevent you from making this motion, nor can the members be prevented from voting on such a motion. Remember, this is a meeting of the members; not a board meeting. Motions can be made by a member and must be voted on by members!

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