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RoxaneR (Maryland)
Posts: 4
Posted:
My development used to have a practicing association, but they have not had a meeting since July, 2005. The homeowners are not interested, but there were dues collected up to that point. These funds are in an association account. My question is what will I be able to do as a homeowner if money is taken out of the account when there was no decision as a homeowners association to proceed in using the funds. What can I do?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Okay, a couple questions:

1) Is your HOA a mandatory one or a voluntary one?

2) Who, exactly, would be the person (or people)who would have access to a 3-year-old account that theoretically hasn't been used since then?

3) What "things" do you think that person (or people) would be using the money for? Are there bills needing to be paid?

4) How many people are in your HOA?

5) Do you have a board of directors (even though homeowners might not be "interested," is someone or group of someones actually considering themselves directors?)?

6) How much money is left in the account?
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
If nobody is interested, I would suggest trying to gather momentum to dissolve the HOA. I would especially do this if it was previously a mandatory HOA. Consider what could happen otherwise:

A motivated person could setup a meeting and collect 20% of the needed proxies to hold such a meeting. He/she may tell the owners anything to get a signature on a proxy they don't care about.

Now said person will most likely be elected to the board with a couple of like minded people. Now what agenda do they have????

Suddenly you could start receiving violation notices in the mail. And the policy might be changed to attach a fine from the get go. The thing is that 30% (or whatever makes for quorum) legally elected this few people. Further, they have the association name, authority and best of all account on their side. While next year you can possibly get enough upset people to elect a new board, you now have a mess on your hands. Especially if the act of owing a fine can make the home ineligible to vote. Add in a few who appreciate the efforts to clean up the neighborhood and you gave a royal size mess.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I agree,
Attempt to get free legal advice from the state the HOA is licensed in. When they won't help you contact your government elected represetatives starting with maybe the County council or city council. Both have open session to allow for you to speak, ask fr guidence. Then sit outside the offices of city county and state office that are responsible for your interests. Usually you will find direction or even assisstance. Keep record of your efforts, keep them well organized in a big folder and display this file every change you get and constantly refer to how much you have done to resolve the issue. Look closely at everyone in government you meet that may champion your cause. Keep punching the big marshmellow and you will get your help and direction and if you are lucky, you might find some little office that will take care of you and do all the rest of the work. A court order dissolving the association and directing the deposition of all remaining funds would seem to work. IMKO
RoxaneR (Maryland)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you for your help. I will have to find out if we are mandatory or voluntary. When the account was set up, there were two signatures needed to withdraw money from the account. There were three signatures on file (President, Vice President and Treasurer). One person only came to me to say they wanted to have a block party which I told them I had no problem with it. I only overheard that they want to use our homeowners account to fund it. Our homeowners association has 15 homeowners in our development. There are no bills that we are responsible for. We had a board of directors in 2005, but we were required to have elections yearly and there was none for 2006, 2007 or 2008. It is over $2,000 in the account. I was on the board during 2005 and that is the amount that was there then.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Roxane,

Since you say "There are no bills that we are responsible for.", and there has been no financial activity for several years, I'm thinking it is a voluntary assn. Your bylaws or articles of inc. (under membership) should state whether or not every lot owner must be a member. It should say membership in the assn is voluntary or every lot owner is a member (meaning mandatory).

Even if the assn is voluntary you may have CCRs (deed restrictions), in which case, the assn and/or each individual property owner would have the authority to enforce them.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
MaryA,
Try to float your last paragraph by most (to my knowledge, all) HOA or condo or whatever and watch if sink swiftly to the bottom and get carried away by the current.

I absolutly agree with you 100 percent and feel the trial of living in an association would go much smoother if all believe this.

Also, this points out I think it was Raxanne that was asked for association money to have a party. A much abused and misunderstood common occurance. We all seem to grasp, that money is not our money and should not be considered so, but we tend to ignore, absolutely none of that money can be spent unless it benefits the real property. No matter how small that real propert is, each owner has a share and until you can get more creative than present, you can not spend a penny on parties. You don't have a fellowship budget or a "happy" budget, or even a "Money spent by the majority budget." Also the board, suffering under the same restriction as other owners don't and can't fund a Get together party. Could you allocate money to dissovle the association and mybe throw a little shin Dig to promote the sale, I imagine you could, if you had 100% writtem support, 99% would not do it.

But.........who cares?
RoxaneR (Maryland)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you for your input. I did evaluate the Articles of Inc. and they state that "Every owner shall be a member of the Association. Membership shall be appurtenant to and may not be separarated from ownership of any lot." I probably will speak to legal counsel and I will update you on what happened. Thank you again!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Roxane,

OK, so the HOA is mandatory. You state there has been no activity for 3 years. Does that mean you have no common areas or other amenities to maintain? If so, why even have an HOA? Perhaps the members should be thinking about dissolution.
RoxaneR (Maryland)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you for replying! There are no areas that we should be maintaining. We were a new development within an urban area with all homeowners. We were the first of a community development program. We lasted from 1998 to 2005 with the homeowners association. Neighbors began to become uninterested in doing meetings, paying dues and staying neighbors. Since 2005, no one has cared. I've gotten information from Maryland on "Articles of Dissolution." I will submit information to all of the homeowners concerning this matter. It was discussed in 2004, but when I told them that the assets would have to go to an appropriate public agency, nonprofit corp., association, trust or other organization that was devoted to similar purposes of our association, they did not agree to dissolve. I believe they want to have this party to drain the account. I'll see and keep everyone updated. Thanks!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
The exact method to dissolve your HOA should be in the governing documents. This usually requires 100% of the homeowners to vote yes and a filing with the County Clerk. Since you state that there are no common areas to maintain you do not have to worry about disposing of them. The money may have to be divided and returned to the homeowners that paid it.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Roxanne,

As Glen says, the method to dissolve should be outlined in your gov. docs; probably the CCRs. I'm not sure that a 100% vote will be required, but I would guess at least 75%. It's usually quite high; same as to amend the CCRs. My docs require a 75% vote of the members entitled to vote for either.

I would suggest spending all the money in the treasury and have a really big celebration. Free at last!! LOL
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What is the "purpose" of the corporation, listed on the corporate papers? Seems funny that the IRS would grant you a not for profit status for just a social club that provides no unique services. Sure that you saw "corporation" papers? Somewhere in the bylaws or other papers it should list what your mission is.

P.S. Be sure to take minutes of these last official acts of the corp. and let the IRS and state know that you are now inactive status.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Susan,

Roxanne stated her articles of inc. state all property owners must be members; therefore it is a mandatory HOA.

No business entity is required to obtain approval from the IRS to operate as a nonprofit corp, unless the corp wants to be tax-exempt, in which case they must apply to the IRS for tax-exempt status under one of the 501(c) designations. In fact the IRS only recognizes those 501(c) corps as nonprofits. Other non-profit corps are recognized as corporations and file corp. tax returns on form 1120. HOAs can file the form 1120H which is specific to HOAs or the form 1120.

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