JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
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Posts: 967
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Here’s an interesting situation: Our Prez e-mailed me, re: the agenda for our AM next week, that one of our residents, Sally, would like to have a discussion about the possibility of putting a path across some of the Common Property in our Small Eastern Subdivision (SES) to the adjacent Huge Western Subdivision (HWS) with which we have no legal nor other link. Next day, I bumped into VP and he elaborated: Sally is close friends with Jill, the owner of a house in HWS, to which the path would essentially lead. Both have kids who hang out together, etc. Sally essentially will be asking “only” for a cut-through, as in, no gravel or paving.
Are all your HOA antennae up yet? So are mine. Here’s some info to fill in the blanks.
We (SES) have 21 SFDs and a very healthy fertility rate – over 50 children ranging in age from 1 month to 17 years. HWS consists of two chunks. Phase 1(where Jill resides) has maybe over 200 SFDs. Phase 2, on the other side of a major public road, has maybe 400 town homes and condos. All of HWS amenities – club house, pool, open areas – are in Phase 2. Our amenities are 4 ponds (two big enough to attract fishers, whether they live here or not), loads of open space and an antique, dilapidated 19th century spring house which we are forbidden to alter, and must maintain for aesthetic/historic reasons, by our Township (our local gov’t agency).
Another Township interest is a 20 foot-wide easement that runs (east to west) from our street, along side Sally’s house, through our Common Property, along side Jill’s house, and up to a HWS street. Our CCRs indicate this was reserved for a future walking/bike path that someday might connect various area subdivisions.
The distance across our Common Property from the rear of Sally’s lot to the back of Jill’s lot is around 200 feet through thick, wild vegetation, mostly bushes, grasses and scrub trees in the 20-40 foot high range. The land drops about 15 feet down from Sally’s lot, then up 15 feet to Jill’s lot.
One other notation: for Sally to drive a car from her house to Jill’s house is an over 2 mile jaunt.
Assuming there was a cut-through path, the only way to access it and/or the two subdivisions, by our residents, or from visitors from HWS, would involve crossing private property of Sally, Jill and probably that of others.
My primary purpose is to look after the best interests of our community. My first reaction is this has disaster written all over it. A few points that immediately come to mind are:
1. A possibly major influx of kids, teens and adults from HWS into ours, especially to use our Common Property for whatever activities they choose. Though we have NO TRESPASS signs at the ponds, they are virtually ignored, esp. by non-resident fishers. The pond area is already a popular locale for underage drinking (resident & non alike), judging from empty liquor bottles oft-times found on the adjoining street and parkway.
2. Possible/probable litter and vandalism (we have a fountain in the largest pond, controlled from an electrical box on land).
3. We’ve already had a few (non-resident) ATVs and snowmobiles show up in the past. A path would make them so much easier to gain access.
4. HOA liability when something eventually goes very wrong.
5. At the end of the day, is there really a benefit to our community at large, or is this just a convenience for a few?
Your thoughts, please, on anything else you see that I don’t. Would you approve this as an HOA expense-paid project under any circumstances? Note: Our ByLaws give the Board this call. I’ll guess a fallback position for Sally might be that she’ll pay for the clearing. Would you approve that?
If you need more info, just ask.
Thanks in advance.
Are all your HOA antennae up yet? So are mine. Here’s some info to fill in the blanks.
We (SES) have 21 SFDs and a very healthy fertility rate – over 50 children ranging in age from 1 month to 17 years. HWS consists of two chunks. Phase 1(where Jill resides) has maybe over 200 SFDs. Phase 2, on the other side of a major public road, has maybe 400 town homes and condos. All of HWS amenities – club house, pool, open areas – are in Phase 2. Our amenities are 4 ponds (two big enough to attract fishers, whether they live here or not), loads of open space and an antique, dilapidated 19th century spring house which we are forbidden to alter, and must maintain for aesthetic/historic reasons, by our Township (our local gov’t agency).
Another Township interest is a 20 foot-wide easement that runs (east to west) from our street, along side Sally’s house, through our Common Property, along side Jill’s house, and up to a HWS street. Our CCRs indicate this was reserved for a future walking/bike path that someday might connect various area subdivisions.
The distance across our Common Property from the rear of Sally’s lot to the back of Jill’s lot is around 200 feet through thick, wild vegetation, mostly bushes, grasses and scrub trees in the 20-40 foot high range. The land drops about 15 feet down from Sally’s lot, then up 15 feet to Jill’s lot.
One other notation: for Sally to drive a car from her house to Jill’s house is an over 2 mile jaunt.
Assuming there was a cut-through path, the only way to access it and/or the two subdivisions, by our residents, or from visitors from HWS, would involve crossing private property of Sally, Jill and probably that of others.
My primary purpose is to look after the best interests of our community. My first reaction is this has disaster written all over it. A few points that immediately come to mind are:
1. A possibly major influx of kids, teens and adults from HWS into ours, especially to use our Common Property for whatever activities they choose. Though we have NO TRESPASS signs at the ponds, they are virtually ignored, esp. by non-resident fishers. The pond area is already a popular locale for underage drinking (resident & non alike), judging from empty liquor bottles oft-times found on the adjoining street and parkway.
2. Possible/probable litter and vandalism (we have a fountain in the largest pond, controlled from an electrical box on land).
3. We’ve already had a few (non-resident) ATVs and snowmobiles show up in the past. A path would make them so much easier to gain access.
4. HOA liability when something eventually goes very wrong.
5. At the end of the day, is there really a benefit to our community at large, or is this just a convenience for a few?
Your thoughts, please, on anything else you see that I don’t. Would you approve this as an HOA expense-paid project under any circumstances? Note: Our ByLaws give the Board this call. I’ll guess a fallback position for Sally might be that she’ll pay for the clearing. Would you approve that?
If you need more info, just ask.
Thanks in advance.