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GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I would like to get a few things done in my community such as curb painting which clearly defines no parking zones and guest parking, the posting of speed limit signs and (in the interest of safety) the installation of "traffic calming devices" at our community intersection. I requested that the BOD and management company get these upgrades installed, but now it has been over a year since I first addressed these issues and nothing visible has been done to date. I suspect that these jobs will be expensive and we just do not have the funds to cover the expenses…after all, our HOA dues are a mere 47 bucks a month. I have sent a few emails asking about these issues, and all I get back is a smoke screen. I do not think the BOD knows what to do, or how to proceed, and neither do I. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the BOD to move on lining up contractors to get the job done this summer?

Glenn Mounts
JoyceS1 (Indiana)
Posts: 140
Posted:
My initial reaction is that there probably is no money for such a project. $47 per month isn't very much...but, that depends, of course, on how many units are involved.

Have you seen the financial report? If not, request one. Do you have a Budget Committee? Volunteer to serve on it. Attend a board meeting and bring up the matter personally. Are there others in the community who want the upgrades? Bring them with you to the meeting. Better yet, volunteer to serve on the board.

In our community, the only way to get anything accomplished is to serve on the board. The only time my vision for the community was realized was through serving on the board and/or the budget committee. No one wants to do anything therefore, someone has to serve on the board or budget committee who will serve as a mover and shaker to push to get things done.

Also, if you have a management company for your community, they would have the resources and background on assisting in getting this project off the ground.

Good luck. I know first hand how frustrating it can be to try to get things done from the outside....
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Glenn, did you attend the last annual meeting and suggest this before the budget was ratified? In other words, is it an approved budget item? If not, your next step is to go to a Board meeting and find out if this is a viable project for this year. If there are funds available and the Board feels this is a justified expense for this year, then you could volunteer to serve on a curb painting committee and get it done.
SwanB (Washington)
Posts: 199
Posted:
My first question for you in this matter is: Are your roads public or private? If they are private than all of the above requests are to be dealt with through your HOA's budget. If public, then some of the requests are to be dealt with through budget of the county or city agency your HOA exists in. The budgetary process for most counties and cities is a five year process and you have to get in line to become a line item.
Likewise, another forum member asked you the question about your financial statements and whether your budget allows for these types of expenses? All of the things you requested take time to expense into a budget from the receiving of bids to the purchase of the equipment to contracting out to the labor of installation, etc. Do you know whether your Board is pursuing these avenues and haven't gotten the full picture yet to report back to you?
Our roads are private and we create them and maintain them. They are one of our biggest expenditures in our annual budget; besides garbage and propane.
Do you know the actual cost of the placement of speed limit signs to your association? Not cheap, the sign, the post, the cement, the time and labor of the employee(s); not to mention the forethought on where those signs are best put to use.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
GlennM1

I concur with all the expert responses you've received from RogerB, SwanB, JoyceS on this topic.

Perhaps I can add something by my little story, unrelated to roadway and community safety but related to project spearheading. I'll tell the story, but first provide you 11 of my high-level recommendations as follows: 1) organize with other interested owners by attending an open meeting and announcing your intentions to start a project, 2) draw a site plan, 3) perform a visual site analysis with respect to roadway safety, parking, pedestrian rights of way, cars exiting and entering the community and driveways, and draw/detail these areas on the plan 4)overlay a piece of transparency on the plan and then identify on the overlay the key areas where your analysis indicates parking and speed bumps should be, and can be. 5) visit similar communities and see what kind of speed bumbs they've installed (there are many many kinds) You probably want the ones that can be removed in the winter to ease snow plowing, 6) Contact your borough code department and ask what speed limit your roadways were designed for. It's probably 30 mph which means the speed limit should be 25mph, 6) ask your borough code official, or town engineer, or your state DOT how much signage and speed bumps cost. 7) speak with your neighbors and ask for input even if they are not actively involved in the project, this will build support and or respect 8)refine your plans and information into a written and visual proposal for the community and board. 9) show your plans to the borough and re-refine the plans on their expertise 10) get unit owners to sign their approval to your plan. 11) contact your board to get on the agenda to present your plan to the board and community.

So here's my story. I bought in a gated community with townhouses and single-family homes, and moved in mid construction and occupancy. I noticed that there were trees being installed in the backs and sides of townhouse units but none in the large grass space in the fronts of townhouses, the area that needed the curb appeal the most. So began my year and a half quest for the developer to install shade trees for the townhouses. The result today is that the developer provided full contribution and installed 80 plus 10-15 foot tall shade trees to span 4 cross streets and 2 long boulevards to cover more than 60% of the townhouse community. Because the developer is not allowed to do anything that will increase the maintenance of the unit owners so long as it holds postions on the board, the project required a community vote. This was therefore part of the full contribution condition letter to myself and the boards. At this point, I had already joined the board. A Tree Vote and Meet and Greet was organized and 72 people by person or proxy attended and or voted and 70 said yes to trees.

All of the 11 recommendations I provided you, applied to my project except that instead of roadways I spearheaded trees.

Very best of luck!!
GeraldT1
LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
A word on 'traffic calming devices'. If your roads are private, you will still need to check state and local law. In many places, the traditional 'speed bump' is no longer legal. They are now 'raised pedestrian walkways'. In our area, they must be rather wide, low, and brick. Big expense that defeats the purpose.

A big liability issue goes along with traffic calming measures. So be aware. There is also the additional concern of fire and police access. They can't go fast down streets that have speed bumps any more than a regular passenger car can. Neither can an ambulance. One of our more upscale gated communities (that caters to older retired persons...) juts had them removed for that reason!
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks for your words, Roger! Unfortunately, I failed to attend last years' meeting due to a last minute change in location and time, as I had other scheduled commitments that week before Xmas. I thought it rather rude of the BOD to make the changes in the annual meeting schedule on the day before the originally scheduled meeting...to me, there is no excuse for improper planning. Again, though, I do plan to attend this years meeting and will encourage my neighbors to attend too. We don't have any commitees in or community, except for the Archectural Control Commitee (ACC), which was me, in the beginning, but I quit. To my knowledge, the current ACC consists of the 3 board members. There is no community manager, other than the off-site property management company entity...but that's another subject. Thanks again for your encouraging words.

Glenn

Glenn Mounts
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks for your reply, Joyce! Yes, the money isn't there and probably never will be! We don't have any kind of committees at all. Our management company performs only the ver-batum minimum requirements of the contract and I don't think that "customer service" is even considered. On a more positive note, I organized a Neighborhood Block Watch program in my division of our community. My initial meeting was a huge success. All of my neighbors are very supportive of this program. The BOD approved my intentions and reimbursed me for my expenses promptly. However the BOD asked me to procure additional Neighborhood Watch signs and install them in the 5 other divisions. I respectfully declined. To date, no other division has a Neighborhood Watch Program in effect.

Glenn Mounts
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Good points Gerald! Thank you. Great story too!

Glenn Mounts
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks Swan! I would like to have the time to get bids and figure out how to get these things done, and done right. It just amazes me that some developments that are popping up all around us already have these ammenities in place. There simply was no plan when the builder turned over the community to our weak and self-appointed BOD 5 years ago. The current BOD still struggles with mowing lawns and general common area maintenance practices.

Glenn Mounts
GlennM1 (Washington)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks for your input Lisa! I have previously considered all of your noted points and am inclined to "back off" from the idea of the speed humps. The irresponsible drivers will continue to be just what they are, no matter what devices or signs are installed. I am just holding my breath until a pedetrian in our community gets injured by one of these careless drivers.

Glenn Mounts
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Glenn:

I think that going without speed humps is a great idea for the reasons stated above. If you are having a real concern with speed in the neighborhood talk with your local police department and see if they would be willing to spend a block of time in your neighborhood running radar, that might help slow them down.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Glenn:

I think that going without speed humps is a great idea for the reasons stated above. If you are having a real concern with speed in the neighborhood talk with your local police department and see if they would be willing to spend a block of time in your neighborhood running radar, that might help slow them down.
AndreaW (North Carolina)
Posts: 57
Posted:
We are experiencing the very same problems of speeders in our community. We have asked the local PD to come in and run radar and they have given us only promises of doing so but never have actually come through. Our neighborhood watch committee is at a loss and seeking other options however we do not have a line on the budget yet for this. I did however research a bit and found a website that offered possible solutions if there is money in your budgets for such. The website is www.keepkidsalivedrive25.org Hope this helps. I am going to request our Board put a line on our next budget to provide for this. they have signage you can purchase and other useful items. Check them out.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By AndreaW on 06/23/2006 11:29 PM

...however we do not have a line on the budget yet for this...


If there are sufficient funds in the budget somewhere that you know will not be used, why not motion for an amendment to the budget to include a new line item for this project. And to move some of the money from the other items to this one? Then you won't have to wait until next year.

Bill

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Gerald, I just read your note with the 11 step procedure. That is great advise. Your association is very fortunate to have you on their Board.

People like you and others who post great information on this forum are essential to having a good association.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Roger: I understand that you are asking Glenn if the expense was included in the budget before it was approved by the assn, and if the expense was not included, you suggest that Glenn go to a Board meeting to find out if---a) it, curbing, is a viable project for this year, and b) are there funds available (from elsewhere?) to get the job done.

My Question: What happens when a budget has been ratified/approved for the coming year by the majority of assn. residents, and then further in that new year there is an additional expense which the board members, only, have approved without assn. vote. This 'board only vote' then puts the assn. budget 'in the red'. Can the Board then (legally & rightfully) require a special assessment from residents to make up the shortfall?

Obviously, budgeting takes good forecasting and money management skills, and unexpected expenses do happen, BUT, does a Board have authority to OK an expense that has NOT BEEN PRE-APPROVED BY THE RESIDENT GROUP? (I'm not referring to large expenses like Capital Reserves for hardscape, etc.) Is this a situation that warrants a clause to be added to the Bylaws to state....any unforeseen expense over ($whatever amount) must be by majority vote of the assn.

Please explain a little about budgeting and how to allow for 'unforeseen' expenses prior to their occuring.

Thanks for your always good advice.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Good questions Paul. Budgets are a financial planning tool and I don't see them as set in stone. Nor would I get upset when actual line item amounts vary somewhat from budgeted amounts nor when minor line items are added or deleted. I budget line items amounts to include unseen expenses by putting some "fat" in the expenses and using "minimums" for income. I am more concerned that at the end of the year the actual net cash is greater than was budget. The basis for my comment is that by using this budgeting approach a Board can often add minor items which were not in the budget and still stay within the total budget.

The Board can approve expenses which exceed the budget. However, IMO they should not approve expenses which would require a special assessment without having approval from the members present at a meeting. Whether they can or can not establish a special assessment without owners approval should be defined in your By-laws or possibly your Declaration. If you don't like what these state, than the members should amend them to what is desired.

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