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WardellD (Washington)
Posts: 64
Posted:
Who's property is this, the homeowner or the homeowners association, do the homeowner have the right to take over this easement and remove the monument?

The homeowner thinks he is the declarant we are saying it is the association.

4.3 Entrance
Declarant shall retain easements over the northeast corner of Lot 2 and the northwest corner of Lot 3 for use as entry area to the plat. This area will have monuments designating entry to the plat. These easements shall be treated as "Common Area" for all purposes including, but not limited to, maintenance, assessment, and delegation.

Our cc&R's read as: http://www.cp2hoa.com/Policy/CC&R-RT.pdf

Thanks
Dell
LuciusD
Posts: 139
Posted:
Paragraph 1.6 of your declaration is perfectly specific about "who" the declarant is. Your owner is nuts if he thinks he is the declarant.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Dell: if you refer to your Declaration & Bylaws, as given to you when you purchased your unit, you will see the Declarant is the builder or developer of the community itself. The Declarant makes available to prospective buyers (at time of intent to purchase) these documents:
- Public Offering Statement: builder's intent of community 'type' (ex.) roadwys, unit, water basin, etc.
- 'Declaration' specifying boundaries of units, identifies common facilities and basis for the government
- 'Bylaws' are rules for governance of the Community Association

In which of the above documents does the paragraph 4.3 Entrance appear?

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Wardell, declarant means the person or entity who declares something. In this case the Declarant is County Park, inc. who filed this Declaration.

This property is a common area owned by the association but the Declarant has an easement for their use. IMHO the association can not just "take over the easement and remove the monument". The association can request County Park, Inc. to release the easement back to the HOA. Upon filing of such a release the HOA may remove the monument.
KevinW (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
PLEASE!!! inform everyone of the whole situation instead of the incorrect information. Again, you only tell a part of the situation and ask for information not even pertaining to the topic. We are the homeowners in question who purchased our home which is located on the west side Lot#2 of our entrance to our community. While filling out our Submittal and measuring for our New Fence, we noticed that the previous homeowner did not put the fence on their correct property line. We re-measured to make sure that we were correct before my husband delivered the letter to the Board. The letter indicated that we would like the HOA fence removed so we can install our new fence on our correct property line. The HOA fence in question is attached to our fence at the Northeast corner and continues approx. 100 ft. down our property and 15 ft. from road. My husband is currently a Board Member of our HOA who is fully aware and follows our By-Laws and CC&R's. We have read our CC&R's which indicate that the northeast corner is retained for a monument that we would really like to see in the future. It's up to the HOA if they want to keep the section of fencing that corners the retain easement. Please read this section of our CC&R's and let us know if it indicates somewhere about taking our 90 ft by 15 ft of property too.

Our CC&R's state the following:

4.3 Entrance
Declarant shall retain easements over the northeast corner of Lot#2 and northwest corner ot Lot#3 for use as entry area to the plat. This area will have monuments designating entry to the plat. These easements shall be treated as "Common Area" for all purposes including, but not limited to, maintenance, assessment, and delegation.

Thank You for "Letting the truth be known" and giving us your opinion.

WardellD (Washington)
Posts: 64
Posted:
Thank you for this information;

If you could post the same letter that the Board received, that will show we are not giving incorrect information. I would have done this but I was just getting clearity on the word declarant and we were not trying to single anyone out as we could have just as well been talking about lot 3.

Yes your husband is a board member and if he would have presented this to us by talking about it this could have cleard alot of this up but in the letter he gave us it stated you all wanted it removed ASAP.

Thank You
Dell
CharlesC (Washington)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Roger B I live in this hoa . The builder is long gone and there is no monument on the corners . So who has the rights to the easement. Charles C
KevinW (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The Declarant only pertains to the Northeast corner Lot#2 and the Northwest corner Lot#3 of the retain easement area known as the "Common Area. This is for a monument if funds are ever available for this. Our point as homeowners, is that the HOA has put a HOA fence on our property and we have asked for them to remove it. Per: Our CC&R's, it only indicate the Northeast corner of our property is a retain easement. The only reason we showed the Section 4.3 Entrance CC&R was because it clearly indicates the "corner only as the retained easement". Why would you ask who's property would this be...the Homeowner's or the HOA? Our 90 ft. by 15 ft. has nothing to do with the corners. Show our letter...We did state ASAP in our letter only because my husband has talked to you before and you stated we would have to discuss it later. When is later? This is important to us and it would be for you too if it were your property in question. We have gave you our request. We will be putting in a request for this to be added to the agenda for our next HOA Meeting. Thanks!!
WardellD (Washington)
Posts: 64
Posted:

You have live here over a year not more then two this means you are the second owner and that fence has been there over thirteen years I think.

You stated that your husband has spoken to me about this before, your husband has never spoken to me about this. The only time this has come up was Monday night at the meeting in the letter that he passed out and we just put it aside because we thought it was a submittal untill I got home and reviewed it you husband never said a word to any of the board members.

How long has this been an issue and if your husband is on the board why have he not address this in front of the other board members instead of saying he told me and why have you never put this in writing before.

Then for you to say the reason you said ASAP was because you told me before.

If this was true and I would get someone to put this in writing to make this very clear what you are talking about.

As this is very confusing starting with the first letter you have given us.

We will be more then happy to help you but you need to first come to the table and talk about it. Not just write one letter and demand to have something remove ASAP.

We will look forward to you addressing this to the board.

Thanks

KevinW (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Wardell, We have talked to many homeowners in our community and I'll tell you that your information is incorrect. You need to really get your facts correct first before stating something and then indicating "I THINK" after you stated it. You are just trying to come up with some way to stop our request like you have done with numerous Homeowners in our community. You are only one Board Member not the Majority of the Board. I'm not going to argue our case for we do not need too based on facts. My Husband has discussed this with you and other Board Members and I'm concerned that you as acting President of our HOA have no memory of this. Just last weekend my husband showed 3 Board Members what we are requesting and went over the CC&R's before we presented our letter to the board. This has not been a issue until we decided to re-do our fence and measured everything like I previously stated. I look forward to next meeting so the whole board can discuss their plan to fulfil our request. I will be sending you an email requesting to be added to the agenda. Thank You very much for your opinion only.
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
You should be able to locate the meaning of 'declarant' in your documents. Ours has a difinition section for all types of words, including declarant.
CharlesC (Washington)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Kevin just take a look at the documents you recieved from your title company when you moved in. It looks like the governing document has been retype as of 5/2006,after the annual meeting. Just check with the secretary of state and see if there has been a new filing. CharlesC
KevinW (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Charles, we are not talking about having the HOA take down the fence in the front corners. Why is everyone focusing on the front corners. We know that this area is a retained Easement. We are asking for the white fence that runs down on our property to be removed. This area has nothing to do with the front corners. Maybe I'm confusing everyone the section 4.3 Entrance because that is what everyone is focusing on. I'm Saying the CC&R's only indicates that the HOA has retained easement to the front corners only. Thanks
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Kevin and Charles, Please take this to personal emails; quit posting your personal discussions. You are wasting the readers' time.
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 599
Posted:
Kevin & Charles: I must agree with Roger and ask that your personal issue be taken offline. Thank You.

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KatM (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Perhaps a "Code of Conduct" should be added to your board. I don't believe this is the format in which to argue out your issues. But at any rate it does give an example of people not communicating with each other and perhaps there are some emotional issues going on within your board and the community members. Think the goal for any HOA should be to act reasonably and in the best interest of the community as a whole. Also to be respectful of all homeowners especially if their request are reasonable and within the guidlines.
LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
Didn't anyone have a survey done before closing on the property in question? This is common practice in our area. Survey would easily show where the lot lines are, and if any existing fence encroaches.

Easement specifics should be registered on a plat somewhere and a professional surveyor can say exactly where that begins and ends.

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