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ValerieC (North Carolina)
Posts: 25
Posted:
My association has started procedings against a couple with 4 barking dogs. Our attorney assure us that our documents allow such fining if the offenders do not comply with our requirement that they remove their dogs permanently. Their attorney says the offenders did not expressly accept fining as a remedy. This avenue was only opened to our association in North Carolina after the Planned Community Act was ammended (Jan. 1, '06) to include associations like ours. How do we answer this attorney's defense?
This couple is now circulating letters among the other homeowners, even though they have refused to discuss the problem with us and refused to attend our hearing on this matter. It is becoming personal; no one seems to understand that the board has an obligation to enforce the restrictive documents. Help!!
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By ValerieC on 06/02/2006 5:36 AM

My association has started procedings against a couple with 4 barking dogs. Our attorney assure us that our documents allow such fining if the offenders do not comply with our requirement that they remove their dogs permanently. Their attorney says the offenders did not expressly accept fining as a remedy. This avenue was only opened to our association in North Carolina after the Planned Community Act was ammended (Jan. 1, '06) to include associations like ours. How do we answer this attorney's defense?
This couple is now circulating letters among the other homeowners, even though they have refused to discuss the problem with us and refused to attend our hearing on this matter. It is becoming personal; no one seems to understand that the board has an obligation to enforce the restrictive documents. Help!!


Your attorney is the one that should come up with the answer; that's what s/he is getting paid for. Tell your attorney that you want to mediate the issue so that it does not result in a court action pitting neighbors agains neighbors.

However, my suggestion is to search for a win/win situation without resorting to attorney's.

Review your documents to determine exactly what your CC&R's and the state statutes and local ordinances say about barking dogs (nuisances)

In our area there is a local barking dog ordinance which the police dept handles. The requirement is that two neighbors must complain in writing, or one neighbor complains and the police officer responding and making the report can be used as the second complainant.

If you have that type of ordinance then you can let the police department handle it.

If you don't have an ordinance like that, then I would suggest that two neighbors sign a complaint and video tape the barking dogs. This provides evidence of the dogs creating a nuisance in the event the situation continues to deteriorate.

Also, in our area, there is a Solve-It-Program where neighbors are encouraged to enter into a mediation session to work out problems such as barking dogs. That way an issue such as this can be worked out so that everyone wins and neighbors remain freinds. Here is the url for information on the Solve It Program.

http://www.theleadershipcentre.org/si/default.htm

If you can work out the issue with the homeowner by a give and take negotiation then you will save the homeowner and the HOA a lot of money in legal fees, and gain a lot of valuable good will.

Since the owner has refused to speak personally with you, then I suggest writing a friendly letter. Send one copy certified, and send one regular mail to them.

The letter should begin by stating that the board wishes to mediate the situation with them so as to solve the issue to everyone's satisfaction. Then quote the sections of the documents and laws that pertain to barking dogs being a nuisance and any state or local ordinances.

Let them know that you are not interested in having them get rid of the dogs, but only to control the barking for the benefit of their neighbors, and if you can work out a mutual solution to the issue, that the board will reverse the fines from the books.

The purpose of that letter is to open the door to discussion and mediation, so it must sound and be sincere, so the owner knows you are going to try to understand and consider their side of the issue.

Perhaps dog barking control collars, or other methods that are available could be a solution. Maybe the board would even agree to help pay for some type of control. (Much cheaper than going to court) The owner will most likely be more open to controlling the dogs than to getting rid of them. Dogs become family and in many cases, telling an owner to get rid of a dog is like telling them to get rid of their child.

Uphold the CC&R's, but at the same time be flexible and understandable.

I hope these suggestions from a novice helps.

Bill

WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Just to add a note to my earlier response:

In any negotiation, both sides must be willing to understand and consider the other sides position.

Both sides must be willing to give something in order to get something.

If one side takes a hard line, then one must expect that the other side will take the same hard line, and that makes for a difficult situation.

Remember that one goal is to "control" the barking sufficiently to prevent it from being a nuisance. It is not to "get rid of the dogs". All dogs are going to bark some, and that must be expected.

Another goal is to eliminate spending attorney fees for this situation, and to keep this out of court.

A very important goal is that both sides come out of this feeling like the problem has been solved, and that both sides won; and so that the owner and the HOA end up with a neighborly working relationship.

Good luck,

Bill

ValerieC (North Carolina)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Thanks for your quick and thoughtful reply.
Since we have already offered them a number of suggestions for controlling the disturbance, they have refused to come to mediation meetings, and refuse to discuss the matter with us, we are at the legal level. I will check out the url on negotiating for the future. I just want to have an idea how an attorney might think the association restrictions cannot be enforced by legal means.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Valerie, once attornies are employed the walls go up and it becomes a lose-lose situation.

If your Declaration allows fines then this can be controlled without using an attorney. The Board establishes rules and regulations on enforcement of Covenants and Rules. Following appropriate procedures (examples have been posted)the violator is fined and the fines esculate until they are 'encouraged' enough to correct the problem.

Have you suggested dog collars which discourage barking?
SwanB (Washington)
Posts: 199
Posted:
Valerie: Your association can find an attorney who will take the stance the association's restrictions can be enforced by legal means-this is what attorneys are paid to do and, as Roger said, both sides end up in a lose/lose situation.
Unfortunately there is little to understand here except these members found an attorney who feels he or she can put a spin on something in your governing documents and has convinced these members enough to charge them.
If you choose to fight this attorney with an attorney of your own, then all either side will be doing is throwing money on a fire until a verdict is brought in from the judge.
SwanB (Washington)
Posts: 199
Posted:
We had a similar problem with a member's dogs and their uncontrollable barking. The problem was intensified by the member's loss of hearing and by the fact she had grown use to her animals' behaviour and was comforted by their diligent attention to anything going on outside her home. Once she was made aware of the vexation of her neighbors though she was willing to get those dog collars to control their barking and while they don't wear them all the time; the barking has decreased considerably and the neighborhood is much calmer for everyone who lives there.
The other side of the coin here was the fact she wasn't aware of how upset her neighbors were over the dogs barking because she saw them as a comfort and her companions. While the neighbors couldn't understand why this 'witch' was allowing her dogs to ruin their lives but never approached her on the matter.
SwanB (Washington)
Posts: 199
Posted:
You mention a hearing these members refused to attend? Was this part of your associations process for an appeal or a hearing specifically aimed at these members and their problem?
ValerieC (North Carolina)
Posts: 25
Posted:
This hearing was part of our attempt to allow them to meet with us and explain the situation and solve the problem.
ValerieC (North Carolina)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Bark collars were rejected by the dog owners.
They refuse to keep them inside, when the dogs are inside, the windows are opened.

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