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AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Hi everyone. Our condo association pays one bill for monthly water and sewer from our utility company. That includes all common area water use AND all the water into the individual units. That is budgeted into everyone's monthly maintenance fees. However lately we've seen a HUGE spike in our bills. Over a two-month period our bills went up 48% compared to the rest of 2007. (We don't have any "seasonal" people here, so that's not a cause.) Some people have six or seven people living there and a lot of people are crying "foul" because those units (obviously) up the water usage.

I'm just curious how other complexes pay their water bills. Should we install meters and have every unit pay their OWN bills? This of course would lower their monthly maintenance fees. Does anyone have a formula for figuring out how much each unit should pay, if we keep it as part of everyone's maintenance fees? I'm just looking for lots of opinions and hopefully some answers. How do the rest of you, in condos do it?

Thank you!
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
AnnaD2: First, you will need to determine the reason for the spike in the utility bills--1) whether there was a rate increase from the utility companies; 2) whether the usage increased for the months referenced. Once you
Once you know the answer you can better determine your next step.

Further, if the increase is 2), and if the water/sewer is part of the Declaration document which states the Assn. will pay these charges, an official amendment would be required to now put the responsibility on the unit owner. Further, and this is a big one, it may require a change from the existing water lines.

JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
When you see a huge spike, the problem is often an unnoticed leak, sometimes outside the units. Check the actual usage from year to year (make sure the bills are "actuals" vs. "estimates" as some water authorities don't actually read every meter for every period). If you can't explain it, bring someone in to test the pipes.

Many condo associations are single metered. Water companies don't have to spend money on multiple meters, and associations rarely miss paying their bill. The single metered situation is often set up in the documents so a change to individual meters might involve amending the docs and a vote of the owners (probably a supermajority or possibly even 100% depending on your state laws) as it will involve changing a common element.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
We go thru this every 6 months or so. 250 homes, 2 well system. A real mix of situations - some people have lawn watering systems, some are in summer cottages, huge lakefront homes, etc. We toyed with the idea of individual water meters, but tht would be too cost prohibitive.

Right now everyone pays the same "Membership Fee" That includes their water. We get a separate bill from the township for the sewer. Since it's based on water useage, and they don't have any figures, I don't know how they figure it out.

When there is a huge "spike" it is due to a leak in the system. Walk around the subdivision and look for pools of water on lawns or ditches. Filling Pools can also drag on the system.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
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Posted By JosephW on 01/13/2008 2:32 PM
When you see a huge spike, the problem is often an unnoticed leak, sometimes outside the units. Check the actual usage from year to year (make sure the bills are "actuals" vs. "estimates" as some water authorities don't actually read every meter for every period). If you can't explain it, bring someone in to test the pipes.

Many condo associations are single metered. Water companies don't have to spend money on multiple meters, and associations rarely miss paying their bill. The single metered situation is often set up in the documents so a change to individual meters might involve amending the docs and a vote of the owners (probably a supermajority or possibly even 100% depending on your state laws) as it will involve changing a common element.

AnnaD2,

I agree with what JosephW had posted. The plumber, for our HOA had fixed the latest leak and had suggested that we contact the water company for reimbursement of SOME, NOT ALL the expenses we were being billed.

With a repair bill “ringing” in at well over $2,300.00, not to mention the increased water expense, we didn’t hesitate in contacting them as soon as possible to alleviate some of the expense.

We provided several months of the water bills verifying that the increase was not typical use of the water within our association, which was all the proof we needed to justify our claim. It will more than likely take several hours a day however the savings maybe worth the time.

Best of luck, I certainly hope you consider this is a possibility.

Just a suggestion.

Chuck W.


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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Depends of WHERE the leak is . . .

Anything after the main lead into your property is YOURS. They are your pipes and fittings.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
True if the leak is after the main feed it is your responsibility to fix, but if you can prove you fixed it and that it was a leak that caused the increased water usage I have seen a number of cases where the water company will help relieve some of the bill due to the leak. They may take care of all, some or none, just depends on them.
BobS10 (Connecticut)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Just a hunch on my part, but isn't the sewage usage based on a percent of the water consumed? And if that is the case, I would think you have a case to plead that your water usage increased but your sewage really did not.
So maybe a break on the bill?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Bob:

You are correct in some areas it is, if that is the case if you present evidence then the bill will be reduced. In my municipality it is one flat rate and doesn't take into account water usage at all.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Anna,

Being that I am in S.Florida, our water bills are one of the highest utilities that we pay. Pick up the phone and call your local water provider. Ask them What's Up? The last time I had to do that, they established the fact that the water meter was leaking. We called it "Spin The Dial As Fast As They Can"

Have someone look at the new water bill and then check a couple of months ago to see the difference. If your County is like mine, the cost of Sewer has just doubled so thaqt is also a possibility.

Of course, this is if you have established that there is no leak.

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