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AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
I live in Florida where the President of our HOA has given the OK for the property manager to use reserve funds to pay for on-going operating expenses.
When I ask the PM about this, he says we have a lot of money in Reserve ($86000 tot in 4 accts). We already used $13000 from reserve funds this year, and in order not to increase assessments, contributions to Reserves have dropped from $12000 in 2005 to a budgetted $1100 for 2008.

Would that constitute a lack of fiduciary responsibility on the part of the PM and HOA president ?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Hi AlexC,

There are a couple of things going on here and I believe both have been done against the Statutes. First of all, your President does not have the authority to okay the use of any association funds by himself. That requires a Board decision.
The P.M. stating that you have alot of money in the Reserves means what. Reserve funds are to be allocated for specific items and should be stated as so in your financial reports. Example- Street replacement need ? amount, sewer or infrastructure items need ? amount. These are NOT normal operating expenses and do not get used at a Presidents pleasure.

Below is 720;303, 6 Budgets,(h) There is much more to the Statute but this is what he went against.

e) The amount to be reserved in any account established shall be computed by means of a formula that is based upon estimated remaining useful life and estimated replacement cost or deferred maintenance expense of each reserve item. The association may adjust replacement reserve assessments annually to take into account any changes in estimates of cost or useful life of a reserve item.
RickR3 (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
AlexC

I agree that reserve funds should not be used for operating expenses. Reserve funds are for use to replace infrastructure items, other items like pool equipment, etc. You should have a reserve study that details what the replacement costs are of all reserved items, the useful life of those items and what the contribution to the reserve should be. I have never heard of an Association that is over 100% reserved to where they could decrease the contribution.

Without knowing how you are reserved it is hard to make a judgement.

Rick
HOA President.
AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
There are 4 separate Reserve accounts (Pool, Cabana Bldg, Site Improvement, Retention Pond Repair), funded monthly via homeowner's assessments. The HOA president has said she has the authority, as president to allow spending from Reserves. I have asked the PM about a reserve study, and about the IRS implications, and he basically laughed it off. While not specific, our bylaws indicate Reserves are for potential repairs to common structures. They do not however dictate a minimum yearly funding.
AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Donna, your response is right on the button - I just need to convince both our PM and our HOA president how arrogant they are.

Thanks
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Alex,
Your President is clueless as to her powers as she needs a majority of the entire Board's approval to allow using Reserve funds, not just her approval. Read or send her the Reserve Statute in it's entirety. Your ByLaws are in error if they state that Reserves can be used for potential repairs to common structures. The State is in charge of this one.
RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
A president has no more authority than any other single board member, and cannot make such decisions on that authority. She can, and probably should be personally sued for her decisions as you describe them. The Board needs to meet in open session and decide this issue, and frankly it is both imprudent and unwise to use these funds as you describe them. I am sure the association could recover these funds from her personal resources if this was done successfully.

Please demand she dcoument the "authority" in your documents - it won't be there!

A fiduciary responsibility requires decisions to be both reasonable and prudent. I can't imagine how she can establish this clear abuse of her authority as meeting that responsibility.

The only additional powers a president has compared to any other board member is the obligation to run the meetings.

Board members refusing to curb her abuse are equally liable under law.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
AlexC1 - No need to convince the PM and Pres., you could always state Florida statute for the record and voice your disagreement to the actions taken in an open meeting. That may either scare the pants off them or cause them to retaliate. How long is the term of the Pres., any takers to the role upcoming?
AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Raymond, please understand the president did not use Reserves to fund her personal expenses. It's just that assessments barely keep up with expenses so she tells the PM to 'transfer' funds in order to pay association expenses when needed.

Gerald, our FL statutes are clear on this subject - but the PM has already told me to stop quoting statutes. I know I'm a thorn on his side - I just wish he would retire soon. Regarding the president, I'm taking steps to remove her from the board...as we speak.

Thanks for your responses - this is a great discussion board.
Alex
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
AlexC1 - The PM is an employee of the association, you don't take orders from the PM.

Regarding reserves they are to be used for replacements of the elements when the time comes to do so. General maintenance/repairs of the elements should be taken from a separate maintenance account.

If the expenses exceed revenue then basic finance dictates that revenue needs to be increased.

Now there could be several things going on here. Perhaps there is too much money being transferred each month to the reserve account that should instead be transferred to a general maintenance account.

When was the last time your capital reserve study was updated? Is there really too much money being transferred into that account?

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Alex,
For the P.M. to tell you to quit quoting the Statutes is really an offense to you and is a clear indication of his ignorance of his duty to your association and BOD. Your President is also ignorant to the Statutes and is handling this out of her authority. The entire Board is the only governing body allowed to release funds for payment of expenses and they certainlt cannot spend Reserves on repairs and maintenances.

You do have Reserve statements that you posted so where does it say that you can take money from those funds for other items? I did not see where it is allowed. You need to do some researh and document the wordings from you Reserve statement and get the entire Board to listen to you. If you get nowhere with them, them the entire membership need to get involved.
RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
Alex,

I never imagined she had used the funds for personal use. She has no authority to use reserve funds in that manner, and no authority to act without board approval on the issue of reserve funds. She is personally liable for any misuse of funds made at her direction, and the insurance policy a board may have will not cover her in that event.... This is not a misunderstanding, it is illegal behavior.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Alex,
If I accept all that you say the Board is doing and the important fact that you stated you have some support for changing your board, my advice would be: Formalize your group and don't go undercover trying to get changes made. Present in writing to the board from your group what your concerns are and ask for a written response within five days upon receipt. If they don't respond, resend the same letter by certified mail and return receipt. If they do not answer, request an open meeting with your board to discuss the matters. Do all that you can to establish a paper trail. Do not copy your PM, they work for board and your problem is with the Board and one of the Boards problem is the PM. This don't work, marshal your troops are set up a town meeting (OPEN) and develop at that time a spokesman for your group, a mission statement and a treasuer and secretary. This is all above board and legal and it the Board and PM have a grain of sense they will come to the table. Keep complete and accurate records, be organized without being confrontational. And if that don't move them, sue them for one specific item, such as the President spending money on her own, but make sure you can prove it. Who countersigns the checks and bank transfers. Sometime during all this define specifically the state laws that are being ignored or broken and let them know you are not just blustering. Do not do that, be cool.
AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
That's the problem Gerald. The board did not want to increase revenues for 2008 so a minimal amount is transferred monthly into Reserves. In 2005 we transferred $1200 monthly into reserve, now it's only $92/month. The PM doesn't want to hear about a reserve study, he said it is too costly, and I don't know if we ever had one. The president is totally oblivious to statutes and even our own documents.
Donna, I will research our documents regarding transferring funds, I'll also look at Chap 720. By now you probably know how arogant and ignorant our PM is.
Sorry Raymond, I misinterpreted your earlier response. I didn't know the pres could be held personally liable for those type of actions.

Thanks everyone for great answers - and leads.

Alex
AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Robert, that's great advice and I do have homeowner support to follow through so I will do just that. It's ironic, but the HOA requested a new PM some 3 years ago because of his arrogance but his replacement was transferred last year so we got the 'bad' guy again. I don't know why the HOA did not object.

Alex
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Alex - you said that you transferred one amount in '05, and now it's another amount in '07 to the Reserve Funds.

How were those rates determined? Based on what?

Reserve Funds plans need to be updated every 3-5 years. Is there a committee doing that? Are there separate accounts?

If the Reserve Fund is over limit, the president may be taking the overflow as a "loan" to the general operational account. (Which MAY be allowed, if in your documents)

Time to call a special meeting of the Board to discuss finances.

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