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DanielL2 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I'm in Florida. The proxy for an upcoming annual election for an HOA gives the homeowner the opportunity to give voting power to the Secretary or write in the name of a designated voter. The Board wishes to take that option out of the proxy. They basically want the proxies to help obtain a 90 person quorum and let the "in person" votes dictate the outcome of the election. If this intention is clearly stated on the proxy form, can this be done?
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Oh boy - Here we go again. I'm very anxious for everyone to weigh in on this one. Here's where an election can easily be swung, if you just want to bang on doors, ask for the proxies, and ask them to just check the secretary box that details that the proxy is for quorum and voting purposes.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
There are people from your state who are well versed in proxy use, who will answer your questions.

Pay attention to how it is stated that proxies can be used - "for a quorum AND voting", or "for a quorum OR voting", or "may" be used for . . . .

Depending on the verbiage, your bylaws can be worded to prevent the confustion (see other posts for stories about nightmare elections because of the abuse of proxies!)
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DanielL2: I just have one question for you--

Why not use an Absentee Ballot for those who cannot attend the meeting to write their vote and return the ballot in an appropriate confidential manner prior to its opening at the election meeting.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Paul, reasons to use a proxy rather than an absentee ballot are:
1) when candidates for the Board volunteer at the Annual meeting they are not included on an absentee ballot.
2) Some associations use a proxy but do not use an absentee ballot.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
RogerB: With all the recent posts and 'election time' coming around again, I understand your response and Reason 1); however I do not agree with Reason 2) and why Board members prefer to use proxies rather than an Absentee Ballot. For me, this is questionable in and of itself.

IMO, there is no validity in NOT USING an absentee ballot for elections. Here's why I think so. Because the Board and/or P.M. are aware of those who have volunteered to run through their written nomination and the 'process' that goes along with it. To consider that there 'may be a slight chance' that someone will, at the very last minute, decide to be nominated (or nominate himself) from the floor, is not the best practice--consideration must be given to whether the nominee is a member in good standing, and/or has any outstanding violations, and whether he may have ulterior motives in coming forward without any notification beforehand. The member is nominated 'cold' without any violation checks done, or knowledge of his serious intent to serve.

With all the misuse and fraud that can and does occur with proxies for elections, Reason 1) just doesn't do it for me. In my mind, the end does not justify the means....

It does not have to be an 'either or' situation between the use of Proxies or Absentee Ballots. Proxies can certainly be used to obtain quorum and to solicit a response from ALL unit owners when an amendment change is in order, but it is not best for elections. You can sense that I feel strongly about this, and the recent flood of proxy postings just confirms all the problems that can occur.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Paul, my response was simply based on answering your one question. You may disagree but those two circumstances are reality.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
RogerB, Thanks.

It is obvious from current postings that 'proxy reality' is Overuse and Misuse. It is unfortunate that Board members/Prop.Mgrs. have not educated Associations on their correct use and purpose.

I would hope some education and insight could occur from all posters on this site. Hopefully, that is why we come here.

DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
Absentee ballots may apply for votes without a meeting. But with a meeting (annual or special), the intent is for the voting to occur after the consideration and debate on the motion or election. Meetings are an essential part of corporate law. Meetings requires a presence in person or by someone who represents you (proxy holder) at the meeting and acts in your stead (proxy giver) according to your instructions.

I am aware that the laws in some states now authorize absentee ballots. Such a vote is made without the knowledge from the consideration and debate at the meeting.

Proxies can be of two types: general (undirected) and directed. In a general proxy, the proxy giver authorizes the proxy holder to act at the sole discretion of the proxy holder — in effect, a blank check. So be careful about giving a blank check to anyone unless you are confident that person is of like view.

If the proxy giver gives the proxy to a stranger (a board member for example) who may or not share the proxy giver's views, it is best to use a directed proxy. The directed proxy gives specific instructions to the proxy holder (statement to be read, how to vote, ... whatever the proxy giver wishes), on how to act in the proxy giver's stead. The directed proxy should include the direction to abstain on all other issues and votes.

Beware of the proxy form provided by the owners association, which may not provide all of the options available, and may be tailored to give a board member a blank check. Cross out and add what you want the proxy holder to do. Add the instructions to make it a directed proxy.

While the law does not apply in other states, Florida HOA law provides a good description of what the proxy giver should consider — a good checklist.

From the Florida HOA law:
"PROXY VOTING.--The members have the right, unless otherwise provided in this subsection or in the governing documents, to vote in person or by proxy. To be valid, a proxy must be dated, must state the date, time, and place of the meeting for which it was given, and must be signed by the authorized person who executed the proxy. A proxy is effective only for the specific meeting for which it was originally given, as the meeting may lawfully be adjourned and reconvened from time to time, and automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which it was originally given. A proxy is revocable at any time at the pleasure of the person who executes it. If the proxy form expressly so provides, any proxy holder may appoint, in writing, a substitute to act in his or her place."

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Daniel,
I re-read your orginal post. It seems currently, your proxy form gives the homeowner the opportunity to "give voting power to the Secretary or write in the name of a designated voter."

The Board wants to "recind the voting power out of the proxy, and use proxies for establishing a quorum only." They want actual attendees at the meeting to vote at the election.

Then you asked: If this intention is clearly stated on the proxy form, can this be done?

The answer is NO, --- UNTIL until the bylaw that outlines the proxy powers is amended to whatever they suggest it to be. And that would have to be voted on, probably by the membership. In the meantime, they MUST abide by the current rules regarding proxy use.

PS. What is the policy on mail in voting, or absentee ballots, as many call them?
Is it allowed? How about nominations from the floor and write-ins on the ballot?

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DonN: Thanks very much. It is valuable information which we all need to take seriously and refer back to our own State's proxy requirements. This is very helpful for all.
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
PaulM

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't mention that a proxy is a power of attorney — another reason to take seriously the words written on the proxy.

The online M–W dictionary definition is also helpful:
1: the agency, function, or office of a deputy who acts as a substitute for another
2 a: authority or power to act for another b: a document giving such authority; specifically : a power of attorney authorizing a specified person to vote corporate stock
3: a person authorized to act for another : procurator

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Daniel,
Florida Documents lady here,
Above, Don has quoted you the use of Proxies in Florida.
It states, that "UNLESS IN THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS" That means that the first thing that you must do is to check your own Articles and ByLaws to see if they address Proxy Voting, otherwise your association must follow the above useage stated from Don.

You must follow this to the letter if you do not have specific instructions in your own docs. You may appoint a proxy holder with the power to vote vor you. It seems that your instructions from your Board also appoints the secretary to hold your Proxy vote. You must sign it. It is only valid for 90 days and that is why it is called a "LImited Proxy" IF you name the Secretary, they will vote according to what they are working to pass, be it an amendment or election. So use your Proxy wisely.
DanielL2 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Everyone,
Thank you for your responses. Basically, one member who was on the Board years ago, plans to obtain 101 proxies that designate him as the voter. The By-laws permit the members to designate anyone to vote on their behalf. The current Board is convinced that he plans to announce his own group of candidates at the meeting and then elect them to the Board. I am trying to keep from buying in to the conspiracy theory, but something seems fishy. Signed mail-in ballots are allowed, but members are also allowed to nominate themselves at the meeting with no notice. I am attempting to have him get ballots signed along with proxies. We'll see...

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