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BernardH (Virginia)
Posts: 28
Posted:
A motion was brought to send a letter to the management company regarding its lack of work performance.

This motion, one of the four motion is not written in the minutes. I had required to the borard to include this motion in the minutes by the below statement.

"Even if the motion I brought to the board have not been seconded, it must be noticed in the minutes for homeowner’s information and HOA management record."

I have been responded by the secretary the following:

"I stick by what I said previously that any discussion of "the managment company) not be placed in the minutes unless and until the board decides to act in the matter, at which point the action taken will be put in the minutes along with any vote taken in the matter, as is required."

As it was not a discussion but a motion, I would appreciate any advice ragarding the statement of the secretary seconded by a board member.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I am assuming this was at a Board meeting - Did the presiding officer repeat the motion? Was there a second? (the second does not mean "agreeing with", it is just a way of getting the motion to a vote) - although in small boards, a second is not even needed. These are little technicalities that may be sited for reasons not to put into the minutes, since then it would be just a discussion.

The secretary is right - minutes should reflect what is DONE not what is said. Discussions are not supposed to be in the mintues.

So the question is - was there a vote on your motion?

BernardH (Virginia)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The motion was brought, the motion was voted, the motion was not seconded.
Thank you for your advice.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The motion should have been in the minutes and the result of the vote noted.(motion defeated) That was a completed act of the Board, something that was DONE.
BernardH (Virginia)
Posts: 28
Posted:
I have forwarded this information and have been replied by the president
"You have already received the correct response from -the secretary- concerning the minutes for the October meeting. She has correctly stated them."
The secreatry stated:
"I stick by what I said previously that any discussion of -management company- NOT be placed in the minutes unless and until the board decides to act in the matter, at which point the action taken will be put in the minutes along with any vote taken in the matter, as is required."

I understand that both the secretary and the president refuse to comply with the code of lawas, avoiding to use the word motion even if it was a motion, what could be done? Does Virgina has a specific code of laws regarding homeowners association?
Regards.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
But YOU said the motion was given and a vote was taken!! And that the motion did not pass. ALL this was WHAT WAS DONE at the meeting. It was official business and needs to be in the minutes, for the record.

Geez, what else are they scheming to leave out? Do they edit the minutes regularily? What are they afraid of?
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
The Virginia Property Owners Association Act (Code of Virginia Title 55) and the Virginia Nonstock Corporation Act (Code of Virginia Title 13.1) both apply to HOAs. You can find these laws here:

http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm

Dave
RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
It is not unusual, though not common, for things in the minutes to be in error. Minutes are not a transcript, but only contain the gist of the meeting. Sometimes people get it wrong, and there is no need to attribute evil motives to them when that happens. Part of the business of the next meeting will be to approve or modify the minutes of the previous meeting. That would be a good time to bring up your concerns about their accuracy. It could do no harm, and probably much good, to write a gentle letter to the board advising of your intent to raise the issue, and what you see as correct. Try to presume good will on the part of all parties. It usually works better.

Have a great holiday.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Does everyone agree the Board (secretary) has the authority to declare any mention of the Management Company will not be included in the Minutes.
Maybe this motion was not made fully and discussion never completed or a second was not received, or whatever.

I do not believe anyone can restrict any topic at any meeting except those of a personal nature. If the president wants to declare the discussioned closed because he considers it out of order, he may do that, but it has to go into the minutes and he better be ready to justify it at a later time. I believe the president can also declare any unruly actions to be out of order and will not allow the matter at hand to be discussed, but it still goes into the minutes and he is responsible.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Raymond,
That is EXACTLY right. At the next meeting when the minutes are either approved or not, then you state that the motion for whatever was made and it did not pass. Give them one inch of error but it must be corrected. If minutes are not being taken well, then you buy a $15.00 tape recorder, state at the start of the meeting, that you are recording and save the recording until the next meeting minutes are read and approved. They cannot deny you taping any open meeting.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
BernardH: It is unclear what you imply by your post...the motion was brought, the motion was voted, the motion was not seconded.

Regardless of the minutes, your concern is over the management companies duties/responsibilities and how they are or are not being carried out. The management co's contract is with the Board on behalf of the association. I do not know if you are a Board member and are privy to the contract and the specifics regarding their role.

If you are not a Board member, I believe it would be in your best interest to write a letter to the Board, as a concerned resident. It may well be that what you assume the mgmt. company should be doing, may not be part of their responsibility at all and is not part of their contract. Good communication with the correct party is key, and in this case, it is with the Board privately, either in person, or in writing.

If you do put your questions (a better way to go than to point a finger) in writing, I would hope they would extend you the courtesy of a reply.
Good Luck and tread lightly here until you know the particulars.

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