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JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Four Board members are not seeking re-election. The vote will be in a few months. Recently a few homeowners let the board and management co know how unhappy they are. Two or three board members and the management co feel threatened, to the point of wanting law enforcement security at the next several meetings. In at least one case threat is strongly implied.

Should the people running for the board be told about these threats so they can remove their names if they want? Should the homeowners be made aware that threats exist, so they don't come to meetings, or at least know the potential/expected danger if they do?
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
JC,

If the people feel that the threats were serious, they should make a police report. It's especially helpful if all four of them file separate reports, even more so if the person making the threats was a male and the victims were female. That way it becomes something official and not just a "feeling". Probably 99% of threats are just hot air, but you never know nowadays with all the kooks running around.

Then if the people who filed the police report wants to show it to other people running for office, it's up to them. That shouldn't be something that the HOA undertakes as part of their duties.

Unless you plan to have airport type security at your Board meetings, a guard isn't going to able to stop a violent person from doing something, so having security at Board meetings is pretty useless.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

JC3,
Help us out here. What kind of an issue has gotten this far out of wack to warrant physical threats? This is not a laughing matter when members get so ugly that it resorts to this kind of behaviour.

Definitely, police reports are in order. No one and I mean NO ONE!! should have to be scared to do a voluntary job and better yet, be that afriad of their own fellow neighbors. Gosh, let us know what kind of issues brought this up.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
A male owner mailed the management co which then reported to the board. His says he is being harassed about minor things such as weeds and oil stains on his driveway when there is serious gang activity in the neighborhood that the management and board is doing nothing about. His threat is implied, and the management company did file a police report. The threat was implied and was not made to any individual. The board is both male and female.
A second is similar, complaining about unaddressed crime, s/he will take steps if the board doesn’t.
Another is a posting of notices by an unknown owner on light poles and in common areas describing that person’s complaints. This person basically does not like what happens to the money collected. He is also concerned that the board is not addressing the growing amount of crime.

We do have crime probably similar to other HOAs: graffitti to drugs, to gang activity and murder, and breakins of houses and vehicles. The board's message is for people to contact the police, the police handle such things,and to contact the manaagement co, to keep the mc and the board informed.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Gosh JC3,
It sounds like you live in Dodge City and the Sheriff is dead.
I have lots of questions, some retorical. You say that "She will take steps if the Board doesn't" Well, it's about time someone jumps up to the plate to help. What can you, she or your Board do to prevent the crime in the neighborhood? Not much alone but you have so much power in numbers. What a sad day when we fear for our safety in order to live our lives in peace. You have crime similar to other HOA's. I sure hope that you are in the minority otherwise, I know that I would have a for sale sign in my front yard

You have much more than a Board problem. As for the guy that the Board is "harassing", he obviously is in non compliance with something in your documents. Just make an effort to document all of their activities just in case it might be needed later in the event someone gets stupid. Basically it sounds to me that someone has been not doing their job as Directors and Boards. This is pretty sad and everyone in the community needs to step up and get a program in place to strengthen your position in the neighborhood.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Two thngs come to mind: law and enforcement.

Your Board cannot do either and is not qualified to do either.

These incidents you relate are police issues.

Your Board DOES have the responsibility to approach the powers that be (mayor, council, sherrif dept. police department, fire department, code violations officer, etc. etc etc) to set up a Neighborhood Watch and ask for more patrols and better response from the law enforcement. Call a special meeting inviting the powers that be to speak to your neighborhood association on how to HELP fight crime.

Anyone threatening your board should be reported to the police.

I would hope that the Membership supports anyone who tries to serve their community by being on the Board.

But let's get a realistic handle on just what the Board's job is!! It's not to act as cops.

HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
I agree, crime is a police matter, but the main touted function of HOAs is to maintain property values, and certainly rampant crime in a neighborhood isn't condusive to maintaining property values.
Is your board working with police to control this problem, or just telling the owners to call the police? Is the board being the leader to establish block watch - which really works? Are they going to the city councilmember or county rep for your area and demanding more police patrols? The board has more clout than individual owners. If nothing else, they should be worried about their own property values and take some action to reclaim the neighborhood.
I agree with Donna. Your present board has allowed this situation to get out of control. The ones jumping ship obviously know this and want no more to deal with it. Unless something is done quickly, there could be a lot of for sale signs popping up and you know what that does to property values. Harold
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
JC3, most of the posters here have stated to file a police report - as a former police officer, I agree. Now for follow-up or reverse question... Is the HOA doing what is appropriate in terms of addressing the issues which have caused the "threats?" You mentioned gang activity, grafitti, etc - what steps is the HOA taking to remedy/address the issue, AND what steps are being done to INFORM the owners that such action is taking place? If the response from owners is that they feel nothing is being done, they do have a right to address in any manner which is LEGAL. If that means setting up a Neighborhood Watch, independent of the HOA, that is appropriate. Saddling up and creating a "posse" to handle situations, probably is not "legal" and definitely is stupid; however if folks feel that they are not being heard, you never know.

Find out what is really "ailing" the community and work to correct that - and keep the community informed and encourage participation. Out of ten owners informed, you may get 1-2 actually involved - that is the "breaks" sometimes with an HOA. If you have four (out of no matter how many, I would assume that this is a healthy majority), resigning there is a brain, activity, and otherwise "drain" of your community's resources that is going to need to be corrected FAST!!! If you think you have "crime" now, wait and see what happens if enforcement of regular HOA issues (weeds, grass, decks, fencing, etc) is not monitored/policed - it only goes further downhill after that.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Don’t other hoas have similar problems? Interesting thought—I wonder if the crime rate is a part of the reason for the turnover. It doesn’t appear the board or mc has done any of the things suggested by SusanW or HaroldS. Owner apathy is the norm.
I’m relatively new. I have no idea if the others have known of these conditions, or for how long they have known. I have no idea how long this has been going on. There were a few gang problems near me 2-3 years ago. Homeowners called police and they handled it. There was no mc or board involvement. I was told of the break-ins by a homeowner recently.

The issues are not being addressed, other than to shut those people up.
Grafitti is painted over as quickly as possible. Gang activity or break-ins? They advise owners to call the police. Only in the one instance, the mc informed the police because of the letter from the owner.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
JC3: HOAs in our neck of the woods DO NOT have these problems. And I go further to say, it is not usual for an HOA to have the problems you are noting in your post.

The Board and MC are correct to inform owners to call the police. Not only that, if it is indeed a valid break-in or gang violence, the police should come to the 'scene of the crime' as they would for any other violation, write up the report and have it be a matter of record.

It's not wise, as a 'newbie' in a community, to arrive at wrong conclusions based on hearsay. The best way to help any situation is to be willing to serve in whatever capacity is needed and what would fit your abilities. Think about it. Good Luck! in your new residency and welcome to community living!

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
JC:

Can't say we have those issues. Have you tried organizing a neighborhood watch? Crime and gangs generally takes the path of least resistance, if your neighborhood is being a friendly host to them then they will stay. Make it harder for them to be there. Talk to your police about doing more patrols, get neighbors involved. I get the sense your homeowners are tired of this, especially when they are getting notices for oil stains on the driveway. Crime is a much bigger concern and the HOA needs to be part of the solution.

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