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ElenaO (New Jersey)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Does anyone know if there are laws in NJ that cover a person running for the board of a homeowners association that would clearly create a good deal of personal gain?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your documents or bylaws should have a section in them that speaks about conflict of interest.

Even if they don't, any person should abstain from voting on issues where he/she stands to gain (monetarily) or stands to gain an advantage over other Board members. Example, if his company is bidding on a contract with your association, he should not vote on that decision.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Elena:

What are you exactly referring to? Technically a well run HOA benefits all homeowners so the BOD would be getting some personal gain out of it. That is what all of us a want, a well run HOA that promotes healthy property values.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Personal gain like monetary? NJ law like other states do not allow a volunteer to be paid for serving on the board.

If you mean personal gain like he has a hidden agenda; if his/her agenda is to improve the community as a whole, then I say he/she is right on target.

If you mean he/she just wants to make their surrounding area better, there are other votes and member on the board that would need to keep that one member in check.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Are we talking about a service contract for the association or some other issue where money is earned by this Board member from funds of the association? You need to provide us with more information to what you are referring. Thank You.
ElenaO (New Jersey)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hi,Thanks for the replies..I mean he is a realtor in the area and has passed out flyers that state he is only on the board to reduce maintance fees. He uses his position to convince new buyers that the mangement fees will not go up regardless of what needs to be done in the community. When things need to be approved he ONLY cares about how much money it will cost. We had major water damage to many units and he still had a fit about fixing them and having to do an assessment.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Where are the other board members? I assume you have 5 on the board. They need to keep him in check, if the HOA has to make repairs his 1 vote can't change the other 4.

Promising that the dues won't go up, he is kinda speaking out of turn without the others voting on it and it being a board decision.

You could gently remind him that your D&O insurance could possibly not indemify him when he speaks out of school.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
ElenaO - The "personal gain" isn't that he's getting a kickback, rather that he has an agenda to reduce maintenance fees. Unfortunately it seems he is blinded by the dollar figure and doesn't realize that things the Board is required to fix cost money. I would imagine the Board gets bids, not just one or two. If not, that may be part of the problem. Sounds like the realtor is a bit stuck in his ways and needs some education. A realtor making a promise that the management fees will not go up is unrealistic. Realtors are not supposed to make a promise that maintenance fee increases will not occur as a selling feature for a home in an association. That's preposterous, misleading, a delusion of grandeur, and trying to influence a sale. If I was his client I'd ask the broker of record to get me a new agent pronto because this guy is off his rocker. Furthermore, it may get him brought up on charges by the NJ Board of Realtors. Tisk, tisk. The governing documents of the association will speak to the powers of Board members, and in those powers there may be some influence to keep Board members on the straight and narrow. Unfortunately there are bad eggs that laws, no matter how well written, can not legislate. Look at our country's current President.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Totally Well Said Joe,

If I had bought a property from him and ended up paying one nickle higher for fees, I would go after him. And YES!!, his State Real Estate Board should know about this as this is unethical and probably against the laws.
ElenaO (New Jersey)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks again! I was hoping not to have to go the real estate route as I like his children would hate to have them without any money. And yes, we do have 5 board members so usually he doesn't get what he wants. It just seems insane that we should have these long meetings that accomplish much less than they could because we have one member only concerned about himself.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
ElenaO: Is this board member a resident in the community? Has your association gone through 'turnover' from the developer to the residents?

The realtor/board member cannot fulfill his promise that fees will not be raised; if so, it also means that no maintenance or repair will get done. Prospective buyers need to beware of his smooth talk.
WayneB3 (NV)
Posts: 51
Posted:
Some boards spend money like drunk sailors on shore leave. It's good to throw a guy in the mix that's not afraid of a filibuster now and then to keep the others grounded. I probably trust this guy more than those trying to oust him.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WayneB3 on 12/06/2007 8:09 AM
Some boards spend money like drunk sailors on shore leave. It's good to throw a guy in the mix that's not afraid of a filibuster now and then to keep the others grounded. I probably trust this guy more than those trying to oust him.

Wayne:

Really, you would trust someone who makes promises that he knows he can't keep just to make a sale? He knows that as just one board member he can't stop the board from raising dues, yet he uses it as a selling point for his clients which in the real estate business is highly unethical. I do agree with you that some boards throw money away, but an increase in dues is inevitable for all associations, costs raise over time.

WayneB3 (NV)
Posts: 51
Posted:
I don't know what the guy's flyers read and I won't take one person's opinion as fact, they often have their own agenda. Who doesn't? The guy could have run for the board on a platform of reducing costs- a total legitimate political platform. There's at least three sides to every story...it's one against four and a little premature to start planning for his assassination. ;)
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Wayne:

I would agree that it is early to hang the guy, I don't know that I would turn him in to the state board, the only people who can make that judgement are those that have the flyer and live there. There is a big difference in telling your clients "I am on the board and will do everything I can to keep assessments from rising" and "I am on the board and I promise assessments won't rise". No one on here knows which one he said.
WayneB3 (NV)
Posts: 51
Posted:
He could have also said, "while I'm on the board I will never vote for an assessment increase." Maybe the money is there and needs to be better managed. Who knows? I know I need allot more facts before I think about calling the guy a crook.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
WayneB3 - I don't see where anyone called the guy a crook. His smooth talk if indeed is as was represented to us, is linked to the sale of a home, it's misrepresentation of reality and a promise he can't realistically keep. I agree with you that there are sides to a story, we've no idea what the flyers state. I wouldn't trust this guy for an instant.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElenaO on 12/05/2007 3:13 PM
Thanks again! I was hoping not to have to go the real estate route as I like his children would hate to have them without any money. And yes, we do have 5 board members so usually he doesn't get what he wants. It just seems insane that we should have these long meetings that accomplish much less than they could because we have one member only concerned about himself.

Elena:

IMO to call the Real Estate Comission would be premature. Let the other 4 board members handle it. If he is the one that holds back the meetings making them run longer than what it should and nothing gets accomplished; this is a board issue. Like one of the other posters stated if all he is doing is saying he will not vote to raise the dues; then so be it. He is only 1 vote, however if he is being more disruptive during the meetings, then someone on the board needs to step up and have a talk with him.
ElenaO (New Jersey)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Our board does not spend money like water...we get three bids for jobs as often as possible and there is not a lot of money in the reserves. I appreciate the input and will take it to the other board members. I think we have established a clear conflict of interest and one of the homeowners he sold a house to plans on taking the flyer to his boss and the rest of the community. I am hopeful the situation will resolve itself.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
ElenaO,
I find the odd thing about this post is passivity (thus blame) of the Board not controlling this guy. Then of course there is the members denying responsibility by not reacting. So, what I think we have is the whole bunch don't know where their responsibility lies.

First, and I believe foremost, is the responsibility of all owners to hold the association in the highest regard, over all else. A concept many find hard to accept and some will not accept because they never give it a thought.

All everyone does that has to do with the association must FIRST meet the test of being good for the association. That is the Board mandate and that is the members responsibility to see it carried out. The Board has specific laws they must follow under penalty of law. If they can not meet the test, as this little manuver by the President clearly demonstrates, he should feel the power of his board and if necessary the action of the members.
That sound you just heard was me stepping down off my soap box.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,
Well said and not from your soapbox but from your excellent training as a military man where you learn to follow procedures, discipline and to do the right thing for everyone and not just for yourself. Boards are member teams, not solo performances.
WayneB3 (NV)
Posts: 51
Posted:
I have to wonder where the communication is amongst the board? Why can't you say this to the guy's face? If you "like his kids" the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree, the guy can't be so bad. Wonder, wonder, wonder.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Elena,
Why are you so upset?

He has NO authority to make ANY claims about the Association, its business or
its assessment rates. His cients who believe him are the fools.

Is there a President on your board who knows how to run a meeting? When members start wandering off the agenda and discussions get off track, it is the presiding officer's duty to keep the meeting running and focused.

Jonathan (New Jersey)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Elena,
I'm in New Jersey, and I have run into this situation before. If you would like, feel free to e-mail me: [email protected]

Thanks,
Jon
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Brad,
I understand what and why you make this assumption about benefiting all members, therefore, is has to be good. If the Board decided to give each owner a refund of $500.00 and the action is for the good of the owners. It would not be good if the Board had to go in debt to raise the money. I know this is far out but sometimes it is not proper to please the majority.
I think a better measure of worth: Is it good for the association, in this case it would be bad for the association.
There may be a fine line here but more and more I believe, the Board and the owners have to serve the association first. It sure will keep you out of trouble by serving two masters; the Majority and the association.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Damn, I forgot.
We recently had our board put to a vote at an annual meeting the expenditure of a tidy sum of money for enhancements. In the first place the vote was illegal, because it was a vote of the members present.
We have about 75 % rental units, owners that never seem to attend meetings and haven't a clue of what condition the property is in. The Board wanted to do this had planned for it and decreed it was a done deal at the meeting. The enhancements were done and no question they were rather impressive and everyone likes what was done. I and a few other also liked the work done but we also know there is other pressing needs that will have to be planned for and it will cause another special assessment (Big one). My point being (of course) that if the first consideration would have been the property (Association) the choice would have been different.
Lesson learned I suppose, because if you have 75% rentals and the climate we had in the market a few years ago, all some people can see is mopre cash flow, not reserve funds and the like.

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