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JenniseS (Michigan)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I purchased a condo in Feb 2007. The sellers that I purchased from were the Presidents of the association. The community is small and there are only 6 units. My neighbor owns his home and I own mine. The 4 remaining units were all owned by one person who rented them out. All 4 homes were recently foreclosed on. However, the real root of my problem is that I've learned there is NO association and we've had not homeowners insurance. We moved in February but the dues where paid up until March. Since the previous owners were the registered agents all bank statements and documents regarding the association still came to my new house. I tried to work through my realtor to determine who now handles the association and who do we pay dues to. She basically said she could not help me that I need to get my own ins. So I contacted the sellers realtor. My realtor then contacted me on behalf of the sellers realtor and basically told me that no one could help me and that I should not contact the sellers or their realtor any further. I learned in Sept that an investment company held the insurance policy (not the HOA) and when they went bankrupt 3 months prior they cancelled the policy. I went 3 months without ins and wasn't aware of it. Is this legal? The bylaws clearly stated the HOA held the policy. Is it legal for previous owners and HOA president to 1.) Sell the condo to me and misrepresent the status of the HOA 2.) Leave without properly appointing new members. I've hired an attorney already. But I ran across this forum and everyone seems to be very experienced and knowledgeable about HOA's. To be honest, I am young and a first time homeowner. My parents suggested a condo so I wouldn't have to worry about certain things like, lawn care, shoveling snow and all I would need is renters insurance. My cost to insure has gone from $200 a year for renters to over $1000 for full coverage on land that I don’t even own. Any advice/suggestions? Can the previous sellers be held responsible for this?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Buyer Beware!!!

Didn't YOUR agent tell you all this?

That's who I'd be going after!
JenniseS (Michigan)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I have a string of emails to and from my agent and she says she can't help me. When I try to contact the sellers or their agent, she immediately comes to their defense and she responds on their behalf. Form some reason they are protecting each other and their behavior is very strange. If there is nothing to hide you would think any one of them woudld be willing to guide me inteh right direction or at least clear things up. I reviewed the bylaws and the insurance docs before closing on the condo and everything in reagrds to the paperwork was in tact. I believe things operated according to the bylaws. I would not have been able to close without adequate ins. I know the sellers knew the HOA was not in good standing. After some searching I found Brookwood Ventures on the State of Michigan Website. I called and they said they have not received annual statements since 2005 and have not been in good standing with the state since Feb 15, 2007. I closed Feb 1st so I can't see where all of this just happened after they left. The seller of my home is stil listed as the registered agent and she move to Florida. Maybe I could be wrong and I hope to learn more from this forum. I have a meeting with an attorney Monday (12/3/07) but I don't really know what to ask or what to do from here. I think the sellers lied and I think it was negligent on their part for the insurance policy to be held by anyone other than the HOA. Am I correct in my thinking or is this common?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Jennise,
Oh my gosh, what a horrid experience for a young first time homebuyer. I hate to say this but your only hope is that you have hired a good attorney. The seller (president) and the real estate agent can be held accountable for non disclosure and misrepresentation among other things. I'll bet that you did not get any association documents at your closing, did you?

If indeed the building did have an association, it will be filed in your County Clerks office. See if you can find it there. Also, it should have been incorporated as a not for profit corporation which will be filed in your State. You can find those on line also. Those documents will spell out member (that's you) responsibilities as for running your corp. But most important, keep that lawyer going after those 2 bums who sold you the unit.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jennise,
sorry, we crossed postings in mid air. Thank you for filling us in.
JenniseS (Michigan)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I appreciate your input and look forward to any additional input or suggestions from anyone.

I brought up the fact that we were misled with my realtor and the sellers realtor. After looking at a copy of my purchase agreement I remember that the purchase agreement was written contigent upon review of the bylaws because #1 I wanted make sure I could bring my puppy into the community and #2 I wanted to review what the HOA covered in regards to repairs. roof leaks, etc... When I received the documentation everything seemed intact. I had no idea there was no association. Even on my disclosure the sellers confirmed that there was an association.

I was told to learn how my HOA operated but I didn't think I'd learn this way.

Thanks for your help!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You need to get a real estate attorney ASAP!!! Forget about the realtors - you may see both of them in court.

The HOA corporaton exists, it just is not actively performing.

What does your other neighbor say?

JenniseS (Michigan)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Our neighbor didn't seem too concerned until he tried to refinance his house. Although we repeatedly told him he did not have homeowners insurance I guess he didn't believe us. When he tried to refinance he learned that he didn't have adequate insurance coverage and had to obtain insurance in order to refi. I wonder why the insurance company didn't notify our Mortgage Companies. My mom and I wanted to compare our coverages so I called the company listed in my closing docs to ask a question and that is how I found out we were cancelled 2 months prior.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
First post to JenniseS,

Certainly hope a;; works outand you sound like you got thesmarts to follow this up. Noone has mentioned those four foreclosed units and I would certainly have a concern there and gring this to owners attention. For a Realestate company to get involved in selling a unit with the conditions you describe and over have the units in foreclosure and I assume she did not give you written notification of this. Maybe your situation demands that you can't stay there but if the units are in good shape and will be foreclosed on, this could turn into an opportuniy for you to very aware of what they will sell for and maybe think about investing in one, or your folks. A six unit nice building is going to be a a deal for some investor.
Just a little thought. You are doing right not standing still for this kind of treatment, and keep in mind you are hiring an attorney to help you and only you.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
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JenniseS:

Before meeting with the attorney, get your 'ducks' in a row. You will need to use this weekend prior to Monday to study, review, and dissect your official documents. Underline all that the ASSOCIATION is responsible for to the members, of which you are one. You can do nothing at this point with the seller of the unit to you; that is done, and it is your responsibility now to know what you bought into. If its of any help to you, we all have found ourselves in the same position since we "glanced" over the docs before settlement and we didn't really understand what "living in a self-governed community" means. Don't lose heart yet....we're all still learning!

Look carefully at your bylaws--they should state how the government of the condo community is to be handled--election of Board and B-members, terms of office, assessment fee for maintenance, etc., and reserve fund for capital reserve items (items noted specifically) for which the association is responsible to repair/maintain. Bylaws should also refer to liability insurance for Board members; this is not the same as you having homeowners' insurance on your unit--not on the land, necessarily--only on what you own.

You do not speak of a present Board who is in power, or of a Property Manager who you can contact. You need to learn if these exist. Your best source at this point may be a neighbor who has lived there longer than you who could give you a little history of how your condo assn. has been run. You have lived there for over 9 months and paid your assessment fee/s; some details should have come to light by now.

Attorney's fees are very high; you want to learn all you can before you speak with him or he won't know how to help you. Its better for you to investigate rather than pay him his hourly rate to learn info you can learn yourself. You will want to bring your bylaws with you and any other communications you have received FROM THE BOARD OR PROP. MGR.--also where/who you send your condo fee to. Good Luck and advise us of your attorney visit.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jennise,
Pauls advice is well meant and well said. You don't want to make the same mistake by not doing your homework, that occured when you signed for your home. Don't get the idea you should go out and jump off the first bridge you see, it's not that bad, and with perserverance you will work through it, no doubt.
A lot of the answers are in your documents, if you have all of them, try to insure this (Paul has said ask your neighbor for some info).

I would make sure you bring up the legality of the contract you signed from the Real Estate Agent just to get a feel to see what his opinion is.
If he expresses any doubt and says that will be an extra five hundred, then take your contracts to the Real Estate Commission of the State and see what they say.

You are doing the right thing. Good wishes.

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