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Is there a statute of limitations about enforcing KNOWN violations if left un touched for 8 years since written?

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DavidS22 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hello, My name is David and I am writing from Dallas where recently our HOA out of the blue elected they wanted to enforce one of our original builders by laws that has not ever...........been enforced or worried about as NOT one complaint has ever been made. Screening of side of home AC units from front view has never been enforced since it was written by the builder in 2000. Matter of fact the builder who wrote the code has offered a written opinion to BOTH me and the Board to clarify that they wrote the code to regulate FRONT facing window units and screening front facing AC units..........NOT side units! However Our HOA was formed and took over in 2004 so they are claiming that the original developers opinion of the rule they wrote.........can simply be ignored?

Now......they want to ignore the builders written statement of what the code was meant to protect ( as it counters their initiative)( and they do NOT think they need to seek a legal opinion) of the code they are trying to enforce although the original builder has clearly submitted a written difference of opinions. Then the main enforcer is off boasting about group plant buys despite the controversy!

Questions:

1. The by laws were set in to effect in 2000. There has never been a complaint lodged with our HOA MGT company pre HOA take over or after HOA take over.

Is there a statute of limitations that might play in to effect here making "their quest" simply void anyways? They have been aware of "this code violation" since its inception in 2000. ALMOST 8 years old and never an issue.......until now?

2. Can they ignore the original developers written statement which we sought to get clarification if this was meant for our side of home AC units or not?

This from an HOA that has many many more pressing issues like thousands in past dues etc. etc.

HELP.......they have been un willing to budge and yet want to implement these costly changes now some 8 years later OR at least 3.5 years later since they took over the HOA?

Who knows the real law instead of some member reciting code he knows no legal......opinion on.

Thanks so much.

"Planting in Dallas"
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
The onus should be put on the builder for not complying with the rules and screening those a/c units when he built the homes. If he beleived it only applied to window units, he should have changed the rules then - he had the power to do so. I don't think an interpretation letter from him now has much weight since it is the board's right to interpret now, just as past boards apparently did not. That is the main fallacy of "interpretaton" rules. I think eight years later stinks, but if they are serious they should make the builder do the screening since he didn't follow his own rules which you people are now expected to follow. How can something that hasn't been unsightly for eight years suddenly become an eyesore? Does this guy get a cut from all the shrubbery sales required to do the screening? And what about the cost of providing water to these plants? Get rid of this board. Harold
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What do your bylaws say about removing officers?
Surely there are other issues that need attention besides shrubs!!

Get rid of this board - then get the ambiquity out of the bylaws.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
DavidS22 - In any walk of life there should not be a statute of limitations on human decency. I don't think the opinion of the developer should hold any weight. Personally as long as a developer is talking, I bet the ranch that something stinks. For the developer to take the time to write an opinion means to me that there are plenty of horse's butts that are being covered. Don't ride the developer's coattails. Your HOA Board should enforce what is right now, but let this home go as a grandfather. For visual purposes please confirm, you have a home where the side faces the street and there are AC units that don't have screening? If so, who wants to look at AC units? Maybe all side facing homes need the screening as well and can learn from the enhancement that this home did?
DavidS22 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Ok questions are:

1. Can they ignore the builders reply and if so why is it that both sides agreed to abide by the by laws etc.?

So requesting a legal opinion does not make sense here before they impose expensive changes to hundreds of residents that when imposed have a known track record for creating other problems.

Smart move then when we have confirmed thousands of un paid dues are due..........a pending law suit they can not resolve against a subcontractor, NO news letter.........no social budget.

YET they want to plant bushes which are known for creating controversy around the AC units. Lets not think of the big picture!! Lets find one more policing action someone can feel superior about that has yet to ever yield a complaint.

That seems to far outweigh other issues mentioned! 8 years later they can NOW try to enforce?

Can they? Who legally knows? Thanks,.

David
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
David,
Does your state HOA law say anything about statute of limitations?

Even if it did, there is nothing to prevent the Board from making new rules, and this kind of thing would be a rule, not a covenant.
I think you are chasing the wrong dog here. If you don't like the Boards rules, make them change the rules. David, as you get involved in all this, at some point you will find out, your questions and concerns are not going to be solved by some law that if people don't follow it, someone will come and put them in jail. You will also find that if you insist on paying the price to go to court, the judge is likely to say to both parties. Go back to hence you all came, and sit down and settle this like intelligent thinking people. The Law will not rule your association. Compromise, hard work, smarts, commitment, honesty, openness, skill, communication will rule your roost. True, there are state laws and all kinds of laws that may impact on the HOA, and what you get when you hire a lawyer or go to the courts are an opinion. HOA State Laws in my state were designed and expected to serve as some kind of reference point, as near as I can figure. I had an awful time with the Attorney General Office and other officials suggesting that the state expects these associations to self govern for the most part. When you think about it, that is what our cities, towns, and villages do. Suppose you have a problem with the Boards interpretation of some covenant and you hire a lawyer. At a cost he gives an OPINION, so one side dont agree and they hire another OPINION. Now you can go to court to get another OPINION, but in the long run it is going to amount to some give and take on all parties. Some Boards think they are the Law, they are not, some folks think because they reason out the problem and they feel that is what the laws says, therefore, someone will come down from somewhere and make all tow the mark.
But the HOAs and town and cities and villages are not without power, in fact they have nearly all the power. The power sits in the people and that is where you harvest your crop.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
I would like to see the actual clause to which you're referring. Is it so vague or ambiguous that it requires an opinion as to it's real meaning? Just because the board hasn't ever enforced a rule in the past, doesn't mean that it can't going forward. There is usually a clause in the docs that details this principle and it's been discussed in many of the old postings.
RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
The poster just above makes an excellent point. Each new board is charged with enforcing all the rules all the time in accord with the governing documents. A prior board's inaction in no way invalidates the rule, or eliminates the obligation of the new board members.

Failure to enforce is not linked with the validity of the rules. It is only a mark of a problem. It could be that prior boards found no way to enforce the rule within the scope of the actions they were willing to undertake. It might be well to find out why it's not being enforced. Perhaps it conflicts with state or federal laws. Often happens.

Good luck.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DavidS22: Would you kindly post the code you are referencing (and as presented from your documents) when you state ..."the builder who wrote the code has offered a written opinion to BOTH me and the Board to clarify that they wrote the code to regulate FRONT facing window units and screening front facing AC units..........NOT side units."

Normally, the official documents (Declaration/Bylaws)are not written by the builder but taken from a 'Master Copy' and tweaked somewhat to fit each community's specifications. But, yes, the builder does accept them when he chooses to present them as the community's official documents. The fact that, in your mind, the regulation re screening AC units was never before enforced does not negate the present Board from enforcing it.

However, if you and other community residents, believe that the regulation "is unreasonable" for your community's needs, you do have the option of changing the text to a more reasonable regulation for your community's needs. This would require a certain percentage of residents to vote on an 'amendment' to the existing document/s; your bylaws should dictate the process to do this for your community.
DavidS22 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Please go to my web site ( I had to start as the moderator deleted some of my injitial post and then twisted my story to try to make me look bad!)

www.friscofairways.net

Sift down through the thread if you like. Bottom line is the builder controlled the "code enforcement from 2000 to mid 2004 when our current HOA took over through prsenet.

SO now some almost 8 years later they want to ENFORCE a code that has been blatantly broken and not cared about until now? NO advantage to any property value going up/down.

YET the "drill instructor" heading up the apparent effort is off making himself out to be the hero with his group plant buy initiatives and planting knowledge.

Cant wait to get a legal opinion. " Code is written we have no choice" he says although he too has been here for 5 plus years!

Really...........so now after 8 long years all of the sudden lets throw this NON vital can of worms with NO set of guidelines or discussion of issues that are bound to arise on our community!

Never mind the (four resident woman) who have come forward with issues with this person also. As for a vote.........OUR best turn out over TWO months was 35 votes with 600 homes that range from 200k through 750k. NICE involvement we have here with NO news letter..........NO social budget.......PAST dues NOT collected.........a law suit un resolved that is about a broken pool/retaining wall we know very little about..............yet LETS GO DO A GROUP BUSH BUY when there have been NO complaints or violations filed ever for this.........as more than 50-60 plus % of our homes are in violation!

Kind of opens the door of heaven to an ex military control freak who loves to boss everyone around......... he is just VP though.

So put it to a vote? I have made that request to where all residents are notified through THIRD party....... Otherwise our means of notifying people about a change that goes against our boards wishes..........GOOD LUCK!

Further thoughts with a little more incite? What attorney do we call?

Thanks for the feedback though!

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
David:
..."and/Section 4.4, paragraph (m), page 14 of the Declaration states “ All exterior mechanical equipment, including, without limitation , heating, air conditioning, and ventilation (HVAC) equipment, shall be located and screened in a manner approved by the Developer or Committee (if formed)."

As a matter of information, prior to turnover from Developer to Residents, yes, the developer does have sole control of how things are done, and also funding for same. IMPORTANT: The "section" you have quoted from the Declaration clearly allowed the developer to 'screen in the manner' approved by him. He chose NOT to screen the equipment. Further, there is no differentiation of screening for equipment at the side, front, back of the unit in the wording you have provided.

Now the developer is gone and the present Board would like to 'screen' the equipment. To screen the equipment would also involve questions of plants/bushes which may become part of common area; funding as special assessment from residents; future maintenance from landscaping budget, etc. IMHO, the Declaration wording is not conclusive in that screening of the equipment MUST be done--especially in view of the fact that the Developer did not provide it initially and at his expense. He chose not to screen at all.

Questions for YOU:
- Does your Association have an Architectural Control Committee?
- Do your bylaws dictate a process for a "Committee to be formed" as stated in the Declaration?

DavidS22 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
They fired the ACC committee......not sure on the other.

We do however as we found out have open vacancies in a social committee and secretary chair both having voting rights.

Can they turn us down for these open spots if we volunteer to fill them?

David
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
"Can they turn us down for these open spots if we volunteer to fill them?" If these are appointed positions, of course they can. It's done all the time. If you were in control and THEY wanted those seats would you grant them? No board is going to willingly appoint people they know will be confrontational, especially if they have a vote. Harold

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