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BarbaraM7 (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
Our April 2007 minutes are missing information and are ambiguous concerning several issues with a homeowner. The homeowner happens to be the boyfriend of our Secretary.

Our management company secretary has conflicting notes on this meeting. After doing research because one of the issues came up on a walk-around inspection, the homeowner said the minutes said his issues were resolved as of the April 2007 meeting, and we all motioned to accept the April minutes in our May meeting. Now, after looking back some of us realize we didn't take very close look at the April minutes befoe accepting them as written. Isn't there a conflict of interest here? And can these minutes be challenged.

The issue concerning his home were written in the minutes as such: The three concerns with this homeowner were found to be acceptable.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Minutes can be amended (Motion to change something previously adopted)by the Board. But watch what you "correct" (amend) with a majority vote of the board.

Most minutes are too long and involved and full of unnessary info.

Good minutes only record for the legal record what HAPPENED, not discussion, opinions, thoughts, or gonna-do's. So motions are recorded and reports attached. Just the facts, ma'm

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
BarbaraM7: It is unfortunate that the Board members were not more careful to
thoroughly review the minutes as the mgmt. company secretary presented them, since now your name/s are on as minutes accepted.

I find the sentence as recorded by the mgmt. company secretary to be ambiguous, as you do. The statement says the concerns were found to be acceptable--what does this mean exactly? The concerns were found acceptable--
to be revisited and acted upon?--to be acceptable for the Board to proceed with the violation process?--to be acceptable and permitted by the Board with no further action to be taken...?

The fact that the Board did accept the minutes does not mean the Board cannot address the concerns ...which were "found acceptable". If you did choose to now ignore the resident issue/s just because you accepted the minutes, you would be compounding the problem greatly.

Perhaps you, as a Board member, can bring this matter up at the next Board meeting stating that the minutes were inadequate. The word 'acceptable' is NOT ACCEPTABLE to describe community concerns and outcome. Minutes are to contain 'verbs' as action taken in a Board/resident matter and by whom, and/or action to be taken by a certain date, with the result recorded.

The Board must continue in their role of governing according to the official documents. IMHO, I would question the ability of the mgmt. company and their 'secretary' to record minutes in this manner.

RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
Unfortunate wording happens. Minutes are not a transcript, they simply contain the gist of the key events as described by the earlier responder. Often in retrospect, you would have to have been at the meeting to understand the minutes. They are not intended to replace attendance.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Consider this interpretation:

The concerns as identified by the board are acceptable. That doesn't mean the concerned were addressed in an acceptable manner.

A good lawyer has room to play if that is the exact wording.
BarbaraM7 (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
Paul, It wasn't the MC secretary that drafted the minutes but the Secretary of the Board, who is the girlfriend of the homeowner with the disputed issues. The MC secretary is there in case the Board Secretary doesn't show up, and she takes back up notes. It was pointed out that the MC secretary had different notes on the issue, but the Secretary told us that as long as she was present at the meeting, her minutes supersede anyone elses.

Out of the 9 Board Members, so far 5 of us don't remember voting that all three (3) of the homeowners issues were resolved, only two (2) of them. I tried to bring this up but things turned into such chaos, with the Secretary leaving the meeting in tears, that it doesn't seem worth it in the long run. I feel it was either an honest mistake on the Secretary's part, or she put in what she wanted to help out her boyfriend. What can we do?
RobertZ1 (Michigan)
Posts: 66
Posted:
Barbara,

Good Luck!

Our current board has a similar issue with a now departed secretary (he stormed out of a winter board meeting when the board told him we did NOT need a verbatum record), whom has now taken up a cause, that his meeting minutes were not complete and his recorded (tape) minutes are not what was written (created from memory)by some of the board who remained to cleanup his mess (incomplete Annual Meeting minutes). Some believe he did it on purpose to confuse and muddy the motions and actions taken that he wanted to oppose and disput, at the very HOA "ANNUAL" Meeting (2006) he was to have been taking minutes for, and left incomplete.

The corrective and accepted action of our board, was to ask (ALL) who attended to submit ANY corrections sent to ALL prior to our 2007 Annual Meeting. None were sent to our Association mailing address, or did anyone ask for a correction of the record of the meeting minutes done to the best of "OUR" (Board present at the last annual meetings)memory.

Now this "loose cannon" shows up at the Annual Meting in 2007 and is trying to make a demand that a motion was not called for, although a vote was officially taken and recorded by the HOA and the members at that meeting, and the results published and the change was added to our by-Laws in HOA charter.

Talk about ridiculous and unbelievable. Our legal representative said, first there is a time line that is acceptable for a rebutal to the record (read that as protest/objection) and second the HOA posted and sent notice by usps after the vote (less than 30 days) notifying ALL members of the change and the votes for that change, third his fiduciary responsibility to the Association should be questioned because he was the secretary of record and did not complete his due dilligence in a timely and responsible manner.

Enough said for our situation, maybe this recollection of our disaster may help you in yours. Sometimes the legal angle as has been mentioned, is the only way to resolve it, by having an outside party, play a role in the decision and legal obligation for ALL.
BarbaraM7 (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
RobertZ1,

The information you provided is exactly what we need to hear. Since there were only 20 people and 9 of those were Board members, 2 were Management Co., then it should be possible to get some kind of response. I'm not counting my chickens though, it's hard to get any attendance around here unless it's self-serving. Thanks again!

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