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TerriM1 (Idaho)
Posts: 1
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I had the idea - an before I go forward and "re-invent" the wheel I wanted to see if anyone had already created one. My idea was to make a two part form that included some of the most frequent violations for our CC&R's so that when violations occur it would be an immediate response - not a few days between. Currently we drive thru - note the violation - confer with our CC&R manager - write out a violation letter (sighting the language of the violation) - and then mail it. From start to finish the process might take from 3 hours to 1 week. Depending on availability of the volunteer board. So making a form with checkoffs - maybe even the ability to post it on the violators door - could make this a quick and easy system. Does anyone have this type of thing in use? (We are a 51 home association - each home being on 1+/- acres.)
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
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Posted By TerriM1 on 11/15/2007 8:01 AM
I had the idea - an before I go forward and "re-invent" the wheel I wanted to see if anyone had already created one. My idea was to make a two part form that included some of the most frequent violations for our CC&R's so that when violations occur it would be an immediate response - not a few days between. Currently we drive thru - note the violation - confer with our CC&R manager - write out a violation letter (sighting the language of the violation) - and then mail it. From start to finish the process might take from 3 hours to 1 week. Depending on availability of the volunteer board. So making a form with checkoffs - maybe even the ability to post it on the violators door - could make this a quick and easy system. Does anyone have this type of thing in use? (We are a 51 home association - each home being on 1+/- acres.)

TerriM1

What you are looking to do is something I have given much though to and have come up with a form which specifies the exact violation.

First you must follow your governing document to the T as far as violations are concerned. Our states we must notify the HO in violation with a written letter (violation notice) by first class mail, explaining to them that they have 15 days to comply or be fined (determined by the board)at which point a follow-up inspection is performed (15 days later), if the HO is still found to be in violation. A fine letter is mailed (certified and 1st class).

It certainly is a lot of work however, I feel that it is has been very effective in getting HO to comply in a timely manner.

Best of luck
Chuck W.
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JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
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Terri - let me make an argument against it. The purpose of the first notice of a violation should be to try and gain the violators acknowledgment and voluntary correction of the issue. A form with a check box is likely just to tee them off. It's a little too cold and formal, especially with only 51 neighbors. Although more time-consuming, a more personal note (even if it's standardized) may gain the corrective action without the hard feelings. You can always get a little more formal if a second notice is needed.

Joe

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RonaldW (South Carolina)
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We have a standard letter into which we can cut and paste the actual language from the CC&Rs. Also a database with property owner's names and addresses that can be pasted.. It take just about five minutes to write most violation letters.

Ron
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RonaldW (South Carolina)
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Posted By TerriM1 on 11/15/2007 8:01 AM
..........- maybe even the ability to post it on the violators door -...

You cannot post anything on a members door without eventually being accused of trespassing. We once received a letter from an owner's attorney demanding that we not "trespass" on the property. Many people in our community enter and exit their homes through the side door or garage so it's not 100% effective anyway.

We have considered attaching violation notices to the mailbox posts (it's illegal to put them in the mailbox) but decided against it because other members would know who got a violation notice.

It's a shame that mailing the notices takes a couple days but that's the best we have come up with to date.

Ron
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DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
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To All - Who is the "sender" of your initial violation letters? Is it from the Board of Directors, or the Property Manager on his letterhead? Who decides the actual violation letters be sent out? Thanks.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
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Well I don't know. When you get a traffic citation it is a check off type ticket as to violation. A form letter if you will. Cities don't send out sugar coated zoning violation notices. Harold
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
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There is no hard and fast rule about who's letterhead should be on the violation notice. A smart management company will want the association's name on the letterhead and signed "The Board of Directors"; the board will want the management companies name up top and the manager signing it; both designed to deflect the heat somewhere else first. It's really up to how you negotiate it in the management contract.

And yes, the police don't give out sugary violations, but they do issue warnings instead of citations sometimes, and managers/board members can't arrest you if you don't like the format of, or the reason for the ticket. So, since you're going to have to live with these people, it doesn't hurt to try to be nice when you hand out the first notice. The hammer is always available for the second one.

Joe

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BradD2 (Florida)
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Consider also that most governing documents state that official notice must be in writing and mailed to the last known address. Only after trying to send letters to a homeowner have we posted a note on the door.
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
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Brad, we just interviewed a new HOA attorney, very sharp, specializes in 720. Our BOD policy has been to be a "gentle" board, and our President had directed BODs to go "talk" to the owner, if in residence, prior to any written violation notice. In addition, our President had directed that TWO BOD members go together, never just one BOD alone. Well, our prospective attorney strongly advised against any BOD or Property Manager going on any owner's property, ever, because this could be considered harrassment, or even trespassing. He cited a homeowner in an HOA he represents who recently had a posting of violation on his front door, and this owner had his attorney contact the HOA with a threat of lawsuit. Prospective attorney said all communications should be mailed to the owner address on record, period, to protect the Association. And guess what, just to humor you, our President now does not want to retain this attorney............he wants to keep our policy in effect.

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