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NancyD1
(Florida)

Posts:447

09/24/2007 5:10 AM
Posted By LouiseH1 on 09/23/2007 6:20 PM Allen, I have not heard of anyone that has had a great experience. I have posted a problem we are having and some of your terms apply. I feel that when a covenant is written it was in the favor of the declarant/developer. Unfortunately, this "power" is then passed on to 3 to 5 people. More times that not, these people are power hungry. We have a small community in comparison to some in our area. We have now formed a committee and the number is growing to put pressure on this Board. The other problem...if you don't meet a quorum a Board can stay there indefinitely. Homeowners cannot be complacent and sit back and take it. I don't think most realize when we sign on in these HOA communities to what extent we give up some of our Consitutional rights and one is the Pursuit of Happiness. I firmly believe we need to start with our state representatives and start demanding a change in the powers of these HOA's. Louise Louise, I am having, and hopefully will continue to have, a good experience in my HOA community as a BOD member and owner of property in my community. Our financial situation is better than it has ever been. We have, as of this date, only one homeowner, out of almost 400, who is late on their quarterly dues. This has never happened in our 12 year history. There are another four homes in foreclosure or have legal problems attached. This is an economic problem that exists everywhere though. Our community looks better than it has for years. We have managed to add/refurbish most of the common real property in the community for a minimal assessment, less than 1/4 of what it would have cost if we had assessed without our reserves. We are redecorating our clubhouse, adding new exercise equipment to our exercise facility and putting pavers around the community pool. Not one complaint about the Special Assessment. Most of the community recognizes that these common elements have to be continuously upgraded to keep our property values up, even in these economic times. Of course we have problems in the community. Every community does. Most of the problems that I read about in this forum are from rampant BOD's or individuals not understanding the doc's and what they say can or can't be done in the community. The homeowner signed that they understood these doc's when they bought, but of course most have never even read them. Our board has made a real effort to promote awareness of the documents and their contents. With awareness comes understanding and less complaining. The members of the BOD are not without problems either. We argue our own points of view on almost every issue that comes before us, but we all have enough sense that if one does not agree with each other, it is not a personal issue. Our lives go on and we do not hold grudges. This comes from a BOD having only the community's best interests at heart. Do we have self serving BOD members? Yes, but theirs is only one vote, and there are 5 of us. It is a democratic BOD and we do not let the one who has that personal agenda, at times, forget it. When we realize that we have signed up for this community we have to live with the consequences. There is not a Utopian community out there, be it a private community behind gates or outside of those gates.

DJ1
(Ontario)

Posts:456

09/24/2007 1:07 PM
Kevin1, Since you are listing local stats for Orlando, I thought I'd list our local stats in the ~114 homes of which ~14 are not in the HOA. Breakins, 2 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. Vandalism 3 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. It is also interesting to note that it is the non-HOA homes that sold quickly while most of the HOA homes have languished on the market with at least 2 just being taken off the market. I have 100% of the market to sell my non-HOA home to, (those who may/may not want to join) while the HOA homes clearly have a smaller proportion of the market interested in buying their homes (only those who want to be part of a HOA). Hmmm maybe that is why the non-HOA have sold.

DJ1
(Ontario)

Posts:456

09/24/2007 1:19 PM
KevinK1, Interesting outcomme in this HOA regarding crime....maybe not the outcome one wants? "We do believe there's less crime," said Mark Franz, operations manager for the association. "At the same time, the street thugs have ramped up their aggressiveness in spite of security. Almost like it's a challenge, they realize security is here, and they're on the watch for it."" http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-te.md.ha.patrol24sep24,0,2457276.story

NancyD1
(Florida)

Posts:447

09/24/2007 2:55 PM
I live about 4 miles from the community that had the article printed. We have also beefed up security. We are a gated community with 24/7 guards on duty. There is a problem there as someone posted, that these people are paid a very small wage and they have no real authority. We also have a 18 hole golf course with side access gates (open until 11pm)in and out of the community to the golf course. One security guard stopped someone with a golf cart going through one of these gates, they were visiting friends in the community. They asked for ID and when they could not produce any, he closed the gate. In the western parts of our county, as the mentioned HOA is and my HOA, there is a rash of robberies and break-ins because the police do not respond as quickly. The sheriff's office handles the calls for a community outside of the city limits. We have a joint meeting with 5 or 6 HOA's in our surrounding area and the sheriff's office later in the week. Having walls does not stop anyone if they want to get in.

KevinK1

Posts:34

09/27/2007 6:16 PM
Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:07 PM Kevin1, Since you are listing local stats for Orlando, I thought I'd list our local stats in the ~114 homes of which ~14 are not in the HOA. Breakins, 2 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. Vandalism 3 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. It is also interesting to note that it is the non-HOA homes that sold quickly while most of the HOA homes have languished on the market with at least 2 just being taken off the market. I have 100% of the market to sell my non-HOA home to, (those who may/may not want to join) while the HOA homes clearly have a smaller proportion of the market interested in buying their homes (only those who want to be part of a HOA). Hmmm maybe that is why the non-HOA have sold. What kind of ridiculous stats are those? 90% of the sample is in an HOA and 10% isn’t, and you draw a conclusion from 2 break-ins and 3 cases of vandalism? Sorry DJ, I took statistics courses, you can’t fool me. Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:19 PM KevinK1, Interesting outcomme in this HOA regarding crime....maybe not the outcome one wants? "We do believe there's less crime," said Mark Franz, operations manager for the association. "At the same time, the street thugs have ramped up their aggressiveness in spite of security. Almost like it's a challenge, they realize security is here, and they're on the watch for it."" http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-te.md.ha.patrol24sep24,0,2457276.story So out of this article about how an HOA is reducing crime and cleaning up a neighborhood the thing you get out of the article is that you believe enforcement of the law causes crime.

JosephW
(Michigan)

Posts:758

10/11/2007 6:41 AM
Thought those that were discussing crime in gated communities might be interested in this article. I don't want to start the discussion back up again, just some info to pass along: "Burglaries increasing at gated communities" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/columnists/sfl-flmarci1014pnoct14,0,637282.column Joe

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KevinK1

Posts:34

10/11/2007 5:52 PM
Increasing from near nothing to something. And the HOA is taking action. Unlike those other non-HOA areas where home invasions, burglaries, vandalism, etc occur multiple times daily. And the homeowners do nothing because they are actually landlords. The residents are mostly renters. And they are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Maybe in some other parts of the country there is no need for HOAs, but not in the neighborhoods around Florida's bigger cities. Kevin in Orlando sees it every day on the news.

StephanieB3
(Georgia)

Posts:29

10/16/2007 1:43 PM
I think HOAs are great and I wouldn't live in a community that didn't have one. If people don't like living by rules then they should move to a community that has no rules and will let everyone just do whatever they want.

JaneK
(California)

Posts:175

10/16/2007 5:14 PM
Unfortunately moving is not always an option and I wish poeople would quit saying, "Well, if ya don't like it move." It is getting more and more difficult to find housing without an HOA. Believe me, I would move in a second if I could. I suspect there are many in my position. It isn't the rules that upset me. I can live with those, it's the illegal elections, secret and email meetings, the abuse of power by the board, the failure of the board to respond to homeowners wishes, the board's ability to assess your account for anything they darn well please, conflicts of interests and just plain bad attitude of the board towards the members. How about a show of hands? How of you if given the opportunity would move to a non-HOA community? Jane

SteveC4
(Florida)

Posts:66

10/16/2007 5:48 PM
JaneK: I agree with you! I have my townhouse for sale...looking for a house and this time no HOA..dont want to feel like being a puppet by the HOA.talking with the HOA is like talking to the walls...and if you read along here...theres really never a solid answer to any of these questions...always falls in favor on the HOA side.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2147

10/16/2007 7:09 PM
Steve and JaneK, I don't know when I have heard anything so rightous and self serving as these two posts. Now that I have made you mad, let me try and explain my way out of that position by being honest. I don't doubt for a minute you have reason to feel the way you do. You also have a right to voice your opinion. But my problem with your reasoning is I know in my gut you are wrong. For what it is worth, I have lived in the same condo for 17 years. I did not live here one week before I was at odds with all the Board members and the manager. But the reasons I moved here was not because of who was running the place, but what I liked about the place. I am proud to say, I am still on opposite sides with the Board. Something about getting elected changes them. This last sentence is a crock, it didn't change me and it probably don't change anyone else. But I have come to find out the insignificent problem this is. All my difficulties over the years and in the present is just not big enough to spoil my day. I'll give it my all to make this place better (in my eyes), but when I lose I only lose the battle and not the war and at some point it become not a war at all but differences of people. I supported what I thought was right and worked against what I thought was wrong, but if I was able to enjoy the factors that were the reasons I decided to live here the rest was just some of lifes little bumpy roads. For real reason, this place can only get so good, and I suspect most HOA's are that way, I'm in a condo. Your HOA and my Condo were born and berthed not as new born children but unruly teenagers by the time the developers and all his hired guns, both private and public, got around to turning it over to us. We got a ragtag bunch of documents that were written, for the most part, but one group telling the other group what they wanted and then the deal was cooked to get what they both wanted. Oh, the owners did their fair share of the wrong things people are guilty of, especially me, I know me better than anyone else and I know what I can do at times. But, we lack pride in owmership and we lack committment and we lack honesty and we lack leadership, and we lack spirit, but I don't lack patience and patience got me here. I do not regret it.

SteveC4
(Florida)

Posts:66

10/16/2007 7:21 PM
Hello RobertR1 thanks for your opinion...but it dont change how I feel about HOA'S ...I have heard many terrible storys and coming from others...IM sure there plenty of HOA's that are doing an excellent sincere job and doing best what needs to been resolved...etc.

JaneK
(California)

Posts:175

10/16/2007 10:14 PM
Steve C4, “…always falls in favor on the HOA side.” Is so true! Robert R1, “But I have come to find out the insignificent problem this is.” When their hands are in your wallet and bank account it is NOT insignificant. My opinion won’t change either. I tell everyone house-hunting to avoid at all costs an HOA. Jane

MaryN
(Virginia)

Posts:125

10/17/2007 4:01 AM
Wow!! HOA can be a great thing. Problem is when some get elected to the Board they think they can do anything. I've lived in my current HOA for 9 years. We had a great board the first 2 years. They were a board that was elected after another board was asked to resign. Then that same resigned board was elected again, mostly due to out of town property owners who sent in their proxies. Since then we have dealt with selective enforcement..if one is on the BOD anything is ok..if not ... watch out!! We are currently involved with an expensive court case due to covenant changes that that the lower court ruled were illegal and now they are being appealed. A group of us have filed a complaint and both of the cases are going to be ruled on together. It is costing us thousands and 'we've only just begun"... I used to be 100% in favor of HOA's and still think they can work..but not mine..not now. Maryb

MaryN
(Virginia)

Posts:125

10/17/2007 4:01 AM
Wow!! HOA can be a great thing. Problem is when some get elected to the Board they think they can do anything. I've lived in my current HOA for 9 years. We had a great board the first 2 years. They were a board that was elected after another board was asked to resign. Then that same resigned board was elected again, mostly due to out of town property owners who sent in their proxies. Since then we have dealt with selective enforcement..if one is on the BOD anything is ok..if not ... watch out!! We are currently involved with an expensive court case due to covenant changes that that the lower court ruled were illegal and now they are being appealed. A group of us have filed a complaint and both of the cases are going to be ruled on together. It is costing us thousands and 'we've only just begun"... I used to be 100% in favor of HOA's and still think they can work..but not mine..not now. Maryb

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2147

10/17/2007 5:16 AM
MaryN, I know where you are coming from, beeen there. I also have great empathy for you and all the other homeowners that have to contend with what you are going through. There are no "buts" about yhese stories, they are real and tough to live through, no question about it, and it costs money. A wise friend told me something that I apply to HOA's. You can be sure if it is good, it will get worse, and if it is bad, it will get better. The trick is to always try and make it get better. I wish you good and rewarding results in your efforts. Someday, we will get it right, and your battle will help, even if we don't believe it.

DJ1
(Ontario)

Posts:456

10/17/2007 5:44 AM
If you took a stats course then you should know better than throwing around the percentages you did WITHOUT support. 90% this 10% that! Anyone can make anecdotal assumptions like you started with. My numbers are exact and while the sample size is small that is the history for this HOA which shows the opposite of the claim. The numbers for sales are showing a greater bias against the HOA homes. Rent a cops may make it more of a challenge to criminals but like I implied before, criminals go where the loot is, and while some may go for the easy hit and run, others want to make their take worthwhile. Hey I didn't make the claim HOA's protect and enhance home values but the criminals recognize higher value homes are likely to contain higher value loot! you did Posted By KevinK1 on 09/27/2007 6:16 PM Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:07 PM Kevin1, Since you are listing local stats for Orlando, I thought I'd list our local stats in the ~114 homes of which ~14 are not in the HOA. Breakins, 2 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. Vandalism 3 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. It is also interesting to note that it is the non-HOA homes that sold quickly while most of the HOA homes have languished on the market with at least 2 just being taken off the market. I have 100% of the market to sell my non-HOA home to, (those who may/may not want to join) while the HOA homes clearly have a smaller proportion of the market interested in buying their homes (only those who want to be part of a HOA). Hmmm maybe that is why the non-HOA have sold. What kind of ridiculous stats are those? 90% of the sample is in an HOA and 10% isn’t, and you draw a conclusion from 2 break-ins and 3 cases of vandalism? Sorry DJ, I took statistics courses, you can’t fool me. Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:19 PM KevinK1, Interesting outcomme in this HOA regarding crime....maybe not the outcome one wants? "We do believe there's less crime," said Mark Franz, operations manager for the association. "At the same time, the street thugs have ramped up their aggressiveness in spite of security. Almost like it's a challenge, they realize security is here, and they're on the watch for it."" http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-te.md.ha.patrol24sep24,0,2457276.story So out of this article about how an HOA is reducing crime and cleaning up a neighborhood the thing you get out of the article is that you believe enforcement of the law causes crime.

KevinK1

Posts:34

10/17/2007 5:08 PM
Those are YOUR numbers, although I did round your 14 of 114 to 10% instead of the exact 12%. It's called "math" but obviously you don't understand that either. And again... you make another foolish statement. Your reasoning is that since crooks go where the money is AND homes with HOAs are worth more we should all get rid of our HOAs and have crappy neighborhoods so the crooks will stay away. Posted By DJ1 on 10/17/2007 5:44 AM If you took a stats course then you should know better than throwing around the percentages you did WITHOUT support. 90% this 10% that! Anyone can make anecdotal assumptions like you started with. My numbers are exact and while the sample size is small that is the history for this HOA which shows the opposite of the claim. The numbers for sales are showing a greater bias against the HOA homes. Rent a cops may make it more of a challenge to criminals but like I implied before, criminals go where the loot is, and while some may go for the easy hit and run, others want to make their take worthwhile. Hey I didn't make the claim HOA's protect and enhance home values but the criminals recognize higher value homes are likely to contain higher value loot! you did Posted By KevinK1 on 09/27/2007 6:16 PM Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:07 PM Kevin1, Since you are listing local stats for Orlando, I thought I'd list our local stats in the ~114 homes of which ~14 are not in the HOA. Breakins, 2 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. Vandalism 3 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. It is also interesting to note that it is the non-HOA homes that sold quickly while most of the HOA homes have languished on the market with at least 2 just being taken off the market. I have 100% of the market to sell my non-HOA home to, (those who may/may not want to join) while the HOA homes clearly have a smaller proportion of the market interested in buying their homes (only those who want to be part of a HOA). Hmmm maybe that is why the non-HOA have sold. What kind of ridiculous stats are those? 90% of the sample is in an HOA and 10% isn’t, and you draw a conclusion from 2 break-ins and 3 cases of vandalism? Sorry DJ, I took statistics courses, you can’t fool me. Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:19 PM KevinK1, Interesting outcomme in this HOA regarding crime....maybe not the outcome one wants? "We do believe there's less crime," said Mark Franz, operations manager for the association. "At the same time, the street thugs have ramped up their aggressiveness in spite of security. Almost like it's a challenge, they realize security is here, and they're on the watch for it."" http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-te.md.ha.patrol24sep24,0,2457276.story So out of this article about how an HOA is reducing crime and cleaning up a neighborhood the thing you get out of the article is that you believe enforcement of the law causes crime.

StephanieB3
(Georgia)

Posts:29

10/18/2007 5:32 PM
The bottom line is not all BODs are bad. If you live in one were the Board is full of a bunch of wacks then that's your issue. This forum is supposed to be where HOAs can come to help each other out not where HOA Haters come to whine about how bad there personal experiences are. If you don't want to live where there is a HOA, if it is really that bad, then don't live there. The problem is people want all of the benefits of living in a neighborhood with a HOA, like nice landscaping, amenities, organization, etc. but they don't want to do what it takes to make that happen. They don't want to follow rules. Well without rules there is only chaos. Why don't you take all of the passion you have for complaining about the HOA and turn it into something positive live organinzing a community serive event like feeding the homeless or a blood donation drive. Maybe if you tried to be envolved in a positive manner then you would see that the HOA isn't so bad. Regardless of what happens, no HOA Board is going to be able to make 100% of the people happy. They are always going to have to deal with the folks that like to be miserable. The fact is, communities with a HOA statistically have less incidents of crime and law enforcement prefer communities that have a HOA.

SteveC4
(Florida)

Posts:66

10/18/2007 6:15 PM
Thanks for your advice/expression.....first to let you know IM not a miserable person and IM very happy....if your HOA is just wonderful thats great! ....But I have heard terrible storys about HOA'S how they steal money..and dont go with the bylaws. I agree that HOA should be working with all homeowners and help keep the community in good apperance ...and what needs to be taken care of.

DJ1
(Ontario)

Posts:456

10/18/2007 7:17 PM
Actually Kevin you were the first to throw numbers around with the 90% who LOVE you. I also said NOTHING about getting rid of HOA's. There are now at least 2 recent articles which indicate even gated HOA are becoming increased targets. The stats did go up this past week though with a couple more crimes for the HOA homes but I won't worry about you doing the math. Posted By KevinK1 on 10/17/2007 5:08 PM Those are YOUR numbers, although I did round your 14 of 114 to 10% instead of the exact 12%. It's called "math" but obviously you don't understand that either. And again... you make another foolish statement. Your reasoning is that since crooks go where the money is AND homes with HOAs are worth more we should all get rid of our HOAs and have crappy neighborhoods so the crooks will stay away. Posted By DJ1 on 10/17/2007 5:44 AM If you took a stats course then you should know better than throwing around the percentages you did WITHOUT support. 90% this 10% that! Anyone can make anecdotal assumptions like you started with. My numbers are exact and while the sample size is small that is the history for this HOA which shows the opposite of the claim. The numbers for sales are showing a greater bias against the HOA homes. Rent a cops may make it more of a challenge to criminals but like I implied before, criminals go where the loot is, and while some may go for the easy hit and run, others want to make their take worthwhile. Hey I didn't make the claim HOA's protect and enhance home values but the criminals recognize higher value homes are likely to contain higher value loot! you did Posted By KevinK1 on 09/27/2007 6:16 PM Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:07 PM Kevin1, Since you are listing local stats for Orlando, I thought I'd list our local stats in the ~114 homes of which ~14 are not in the HOA. Breakins, 2 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. Vandalism 3 HOA homes, 0 non-HOA homes. It is also interesting to note that it is the non-HOA homes that sold quickly while most of the HOA homes have languished on the market with at least 2 just being taken off the market. I have 100% of the market to sell my non-HOA home to, (those who may/may not want to join) while the HOA homes clearly have a smaller proportion of the market interested in buying their homes (only those who want to be part of a HOA). Hmmm maybe that is why the non-HOA have sold. What kind of ridiculous stats are those? 90% of the sample is in an HOA and 10% isn’t, and you draw a conclusion from 2 break-ins and 3 cases of vandalism? Sorry DJ, I took statistics courses, you can’t fool me. Posted By DJ1 on 09/24/2007 1:19 PM KevinK1, Interesting outcomme in this HOA regarding crime....maybe not the outcome one wants? "We do believe there's less crime," said Mark Franz, operations manager for the association. "At the same time, the street thugs have ramped up their aggressiveness in spite of security. Almost like it's a challenge, they realize security is here, and they're on the watch for it."" http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-te.md.ha.patrol24sep24,0,2457276.story So out of this article about how an HOA is reducing crime and cleaning up a neighborhood the thing you get out of the article is that you believe enforcement of the law causes crime.

StephanieB3
(Georgia)

Posts:29

10/19/2007 8:45 AM
Never, I wouldn't want to live around a bunch of people who just want to do whatever they please and bring property values down. I really wish that you people would stop using this as a forum to be HOA Haters and start being more positive about how you can help make your communities better.

SteveC4
(Florida)

Posts:66

10/19/2007 8:51 AM
we are not HOA haters..just that there is lots of issues dealing with the HOA'S you should not get so offensive...we all are using this forum to express our issues involing with the HOA and our communitys.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2147

10/19/2007 8:56 AM
StephanieB3, The subject asks a question and you answer it by saying; Never! After I got back on track I would like to suggest that I don't think we are being overrun with folks Bashing HOA. I find the reasoning interesting. I think the worse thing that could happen to any public site is to turn it into a bunch of folks that think alike. The stimulation on this site is the differences of opinions, not the similarity of responses.

DJ1
(Ontario)

Posts:456

10/19/2007 9:03 AM
You're right Stephanie, As a non-HOA home located betweem HOA homes that don't follow the CCR's to the letter (all of them including the President's), I really am annoyed these HOA homes are bringing down the value of MY home by having boats, trucks, unapproved exterior improvements etc etc etc! The above is intended as humour but it is 100% the truth. I like reading and being able to understand how other HOA's operate and the unique features of each one that may or may not help me when I talk to some of my HOA neighbours. Posted By StephanieB3 on 10/19/2007 8:45 AM Never, I wouldn't want to live around a bunch of people who just want to do whatever they please and bring property values down. I really wish that you people would stop using this as a forum to be HOA Haters and start being more positive about how you can help make your communities better.

StephanieB3
(Georgia)

Posts:29

10/19/2007 9:20 AM
My point is, there comes a time when we all have to stop whining and become a part of the solution. I value the differnces in opinions; that's one of the best things about this forum. But it always seems to be the same people who never have anything helpful or positive to say. I'm the President of my HOA with 330 homes. We just got our turnover from a builder who was absolutely horrible. I could use this as a forum to be a Builder Basher but I don't. I try to ask question that I can get a helpful response to. Our community was being over run by vandalism from teenagers that are out of control. Part of the reason for that is the builder, the initial HOA, never bothered to put any safety measures in place. Now that we have taken over, we have a few residents who want to complain that the amenities area is now gated between 8:30 pm and 9:00 am. The gate is there to cut down on the illegal activities that were going on at all hours of the morning in that parking lot. Well wouldn't you know it that the people that have a complaint saying that the BOD is now just doing whatever we want to do because we have established an official closing time for that area, are the same people who aren't helping out with the Neighborhood Watch and trying to keep that area safe, but the BOD is. They're not our picking up trash, the BOD is. They are not out mowing lawns of homes that are vacant, but the BOD is. They're not out helping with the volunteer drive, but the BOD is. And the list goes on and on. Once again, my point is, it would be refreshing to hear people have a solution instead of the same folk hating on the HOAs all the time.

DJ1
(Ontario)

Posts:456

10/19/2007 10:39 AM
Remember having to debate a topic back in school? Teacher assigns you the 'con' position even though you believe the 'pro' position. It is easier to debate the position that you agree with than it is to come up with reasons for the opposite position. I think you learn more by having to do so. It also helps to see the other side of the argument to learn and make your case stronger. Test your thoughts here. Just because it is negative doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Do people really hate a HOA, or is it the things that occur under the umbrella of a HOA?

JaneK
(California)

Posts:175

10/19/2007 9:06 PM
Good point, it is the things that happen in an HOA. Laws need to change Jane

StephanieB3
(Georgia)

Posts:29

10/21/2007 10:28 AM
I personally think the laws are just fine the way they are.

JaneK
(California)

Posts:175

10/21/2007 11:02 AM
Maybe they are in Georgia, but definitely NOT in CA. The law and the most governing documents seem to favor Management and the Association, the homeowners’ only remedy is litigation. Lawyers are ridiculously expensive and not even available to individual homeowners if they could afford one. Knowing this, there is little reason for a Board or Management to obey the law or even be civil to homeowners. Jane

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