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Subject: Why is there such incompetence and misbehavior in the world of HOAs?
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MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:8601


09/29/2019 9:41 PM  
So tell me about these "Rights" when I own a home? Seems to me I have more of a RESPONSIBILITY to pay my mortgage/taxes. I don't have any more rights handed to me when I sign the dotted line. What I have is the PRIVILEGE of owning a home. It's still the same Constitution of United States.

How is it that I would be "Entitled" to amenities of my neighborhood/HOA because they are available? It's called Paying my Dues to use the amenities. There is no "entitlement" about it. They aren't "given to me" upon signing the dotted line of my mortgage. You want something you pay for it.

Fair housing act has not a thing to do with "Rights". It's simply a set of laws that protect an owner from being discriminated against. That doesn't give them a "right" to own a home.

Seriously can't believe one thinks they have the Right to own a home and entitled to amenities. Someone fell asleep during Economics and Government class...

Former HOA President
MarkW18
(Florida)

Posts:121


09/29/2019 9:50 PM  
You have to forgive her, she's from Alabama.
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:8601


09/29/2019 10:06 PM  
What does the state I live in have anything to do with it? Except we have the Best football team...

It's NOT a right to own a home or you stupid?

Former HOA President
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:8601


09/29/2019 10:11 PM  
Sorry just noticed you are from Florida... Explains everything... Does that make any sense to blame a state?

Former HOA President
MarkW18
(Florida)

Posts:121


09/30/2019 7:46 AM  
Posted By MelissaP1 on 09/29/2019 10:06 PM
What does the state I live in have anything to do with it? Except we have the Best football team...

It's NOT a right to own a home or you stupid?



Last I checked, Clemson was in South Carolina.
BarbaraT1
(Texas)

Posts:239


09/30/2019 10:06 AM  
Posted By CathyA3 on 09/29/2019 1:33 PM
Anyone with enough money has the right to buy a home wherever they chose. That's what the Fair Housing laws are about.

Once they own that home, they have certain rights resulting from ownership. If the community has amenities, they are entitled to use them. If the HOA provides services such as cutting the lawns, they are entitled to this service. They have the right to vote for candidates for the board. They have the right to run for the board themselves. They have the right to the HOA version of due process, such as the right to a hearing before the board if they have been accused of violating one of the restrictions. All of this stuff is spelled out in the community's governing docs. If you believe that it's nothing but restrictions, you're missing half of the stuff in there.




Some of those rights are contingent upon being in good standing with the association. In my state, the property code no longer permits an HOA to suspend voting rights or board service for unpaid assessments in single family homes (it is still an option for condos). For both single family and condos, the association can (if their documents permit it) suspend access to the amenities if the owner is delinquent in assessments or has open violations.

I'm not sure why everyone on this board is so hostile to Melissa. It's weird, frankly.

Anyway, to go back to the original topic, there is incompetence and misbehavior in the world of HOAs because:

HOAs are run by people, and there are incompetent, poorly behaved people in the world.
Most people don't understand the purpose of an association or what is in their governing documents
Management companies on the whole don't pay well or train well, and overload managers with properties leading to near-constant turnover and less and less experienced and knowledgeable people being hired
Too few states require licensing for HOA managers
Homeowners often join the board because they have an agenda, and don't care if the docs or state statutes or federal law don't allow that agenda to be pursued
Massive homeowner apathy ensures that the natural checks and balances (i.e ELECTIONS) cannot be used to rein in or remove incompetent and badly behaved board members
Homeowners tend to want: the HOA to leave them alone while simultaneously ensuring that their neighbors all behave and maintain their homes to their particular standard and to have whatever amenities they want while simultaneously not having to pay any assessments at all. And if they have any problems, ever, they want someone else to magically fix them, without having to exert any effort whatsoever on their part.
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:8730


09/30/2019 10:14 AM  
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 09/30/2019 10:06 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 09/29/2019 1:33 PM
Anyone with enough money has the right to buy a home wherever they chose. That's what the Fair Housing laws are about.

Once they own that home, they have certain rights resulting from ownership. If the community has amenities, they are entitled to use them. If the HOA provides services such as cutting the lawns, they are entitled to this service. They have the right to vote for candidates for the board. They have the right to run for the board themselves. They have the right to the HOA version of due process, such as the right to a hearing before the board if they have been accused of violating one of the restrictions. All of this stuff is spelled out in the community's governing docs. If you believe that it's nothing but restrictions, you're missing half of the stuff in there.




Some of those rights are contingent upon being in good standing with the association. In my state, the property code no longer permits an HOA to suspend voting rights or board service for unpaid assessments in single family homes (it is still an option for condos). For both single family and condos, the association can (if their documents permit it) suspend access to the amenities if the owner is delinquent in assessments or has open violations.

I'm not sure why everyone on this board is so hostile to Melissa. It's weird, frankly.

Anyway, to go back to the original topic, there is incompetence and misbehavior in the world of HOAs because:

HOAs are run by people, and there are incompetent, poorly behaved people in the world.
Most people don't understand the purpose of an association or what is in their governing documents
Management companies on the whole don't pay well or train well, and overload managers with properties leading to near-constant turnover and less and less experienced and knowledgeable people being hired
Too few states require licensing for HOA managers
Homeowners often join the board because they have an agenda, and don't care if the docs or state statutes or federal law don't allow that agenda to be pursued
Massive homeowner apathy ensures that the natural checks and balances (i.e ELECTIONS) cannot be used to rein in or remove incompetent and badly behaved board members
Homeowners tend to want: the HOA to leave them alone while simultaneously ensuring that their neighbors all behave and maintain their homes to their particular standard and to have whatever amenities they want while simultaneously not having to pay any assessments at all. And if they have any problems, ever, they want someone else to magically fix them, without having to exert any effort whatsoever on their part.




A'nt that the truth.
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:8730


09/30/2019 10:16 AM  
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/30/2019 10:14 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 09/30/2019 10:06 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 09/29/2019 1:33 PM
Anyone with enough money has the right to buy a home wherever they chose. That's what the Fair Housing laws are about.

Once they own that home, they have certain rights resulting from ownership. If the community has amenities, they are entitled to use them. If the HOA provides services such as cutting the lawns, they are entitled to this service. They have the right to vote for candidates for the board. They have the right to run for the board themselves. They have the right to the HOA version of due process, such as the right to a hearing before the board if they have been accused of violating one of the restrictions. All of this stuff is spelled out in the community's governing docs. If you believe that it's nothing but restrictions, you're missing half of the stuff in there.




Some of those rights are contingent upon being in good standing with the association. In my state, the property code no longer permits an HOA to suspend voting rights or board service for unpaid assessments in single family homes (it is still an option for condos). For both single family and condos, the association can (if their documents permit it) suspend access to the amenities if the owner is delinquent in assessments or has open violations.

I'm not sure why everyone on this board is so hostile to Melissa. It's weird, frankly.

Anyway, to go back to the original topic, there is incompetence and misbehavior in the world of HOAs because:

HOAs are run by people, and there are incompetent, poorly behaved people in the world.
Most people don't understand the purpose of an association or what is in their governing documents
Management companies on the whole don't pay well or train well, and overload managers with properties leading to near-constant turnover and less and less experienced and knowledgeable people being hired
Too few states require licensing for HOA managers
Homeowners often join the board because they have an agenda, and don't care if the docs or state statutes or federal law don't allow that agenda to be pursued
Massive homeowner apathy ensures that the natural checks and balances (i.e ELECTIONS) cannot be used to rein in or remove incompetent and badly behaved board members
Homeowners tend to want: the HOA to leave them alone while simultaneously ensuring that their neighbors all behave and maintain their homes to their particular standard and to have whatever amenities they want while simultaneously not having to pay any assessments at all. And if they have any problems, ever, they want someone else to magically fix them, without having to exert any effort whatsoever on their part.




A'nt that the truth.




ADDITION

Ain't....
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:8601


09/30/2019 7:31 PM  
BarbaraT that sums it about perfectly. It's people... or Soylent Green...

Former HOA President
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