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PaulJ6
(New York)

Posts:319


09/15/2019 3:13 PM  
Posted By PestY on 09/15/2019 8:29 AM
@ PaulJ6


... short answer: because they can ...




Thanks. Makes sense. Fortunately the HOA in my case got its head handed to it in response.
AugustinD


Posts:1934


09/15/2019 5:35 PM  
Posted By PaulJ6 on 09/15/2019 3:13 PM
Posted By PestY on 09/15/2019 8:29 AM
@ PaulJ6
... short answer: because they can ...


Thanks. Makes sense. Fortunately the HOA in my case got its head handed to it in response.
I think I get that your HOA Board getting its comeuppance in one lawsuit/legal dispute pleases you. Yet you initiated this thread because your Board continues to perpetrate poor and maybe unlawful conduct. Whoever brought the lawsuit won a battle (that probably cost him or her great labor and emotional strife) but not the war. Was it worth it? If the person is still losing the war, wouldn't it have been easier to move?

I recently joined the ranks of those who have left their condos/HOAs on account of not wanting such incompetent people (put their due to absentee landlords and apathy) managing the value of some 20% of my net worth. That's not bluster. I saw the Reserve Fund at funded at a minuscule 25%. I know the infrastructure is ailing. Major repairs were increasing in frequency. More.

CathyA3
(Ohio)

Posts:459


09/16/2019 5:50 AM  
Posted By AugustinD on 09/15/2019 5:35 PM
Posted By PaulJ6 on 09/15/2019 3:13 PM
Posted By PestY on 09/15/2019 8:29 AM
@ PaulJ6
... short answer: because they can ...


Thanks. Makes sense. Fortunately the HOA in my case got its head handed to it in response.
I think I get that your HOA Board getting its comeuppance in one lawsuit/legal dispute pleases you. Yet you initiated this thread because your Board continues to perpetrate poor and maybe unlawful conduct. Whoever brought the lawsuit won a battle (that probably cost him or her great labor and emotional strife) but not the war. Was it worth it? If the person is still losing the war, wouldn't it have been easier to move?

I recently joined the ranks of those who have left their condos/HOAs on account of not wanting such incompetent people (put their due to absentee landlords and apathy) managing the value of some 20% of my net worth. That's not bluster. I saw the Reserve Fund at funded at a minuscule 25%. I know the infrastructure is ailing. Major repairs were increasing in frequency. More.





Totally agree with Augustin. One of my major issues with COAs/HOAs is that I'm forced into a financial relationship with strangers, many of whom I would not choose to be my business partners if I had any say in the matter. It isn't just incompetent boards that affect this. You also are at the mercy of others who decide there is no need to pay their assessments because the water stays on and the trash gets picked up regardless.

Given that you usually have a corporation that is being run by volunteers who often lack the necessary knowledge and skills and temperament, and you usually have a large pool of members who benefit equally from the COA/HOA structure but who basically freeload on the work of a small minority -- the only surprising thing is that there aren't more problems than we currently have.

I think the real beneficiaries of community associations are:

1) the businesses who cater to development and support of said communities;

2) the tax payers who don't live in such communities since municipalities have been able to offload their responsibility to maintain infrastructure without adjusting taxes; and

3) elected officials who get to look like heroes because it appears that they're holding the line on spending.

It all boils down to money. Too many benefit to allow things to change.

In my area it's hard to find a decent place to live that isn't in an association unless you look at the higher end rental communities. A former board president and his wife sold everything and moved into an RV, and are spending their days volunteering in our national parks. It's looking more and more like a reasonable option...
PestY


Posts:0


09/16/2019 7:40 AM  
ergo my 'stock' advice:


live with it OR move



CassieC
(California)

Posts:1


09/29/2019 10:32 PM  
Well said!
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