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JimG2 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi, I have been recently elected President of the HOA for a small building. We all moved in at the same time, as it is a newly converted condo building. In the first month, before we convened as an HOA, the garage gate broke. The Developer claims that is because the trash build up by the gate and that, since over 60% of the occupants had moved in, he is not responsible for the repair charges.
Two points on our side:
1) We had informed him of the trash build up weeks in advance but he was on vacation and wanted to wait until the first HOA to add a second trash pick up day.
2) The trash dumpster was not located in its correct spot, but was actually in half of a tenants parking space by the gate.

Do you have any ideas for how we can get the Developer to cover these repairs? He has said that he will not pay for them.
MarshaF (Oregon)
Posts: 36
Posted:
We too have an issue with our developer. Our development is a PUD made up of 2 phases. The first phase is 25 homes and they are all sold. We have had our turnover meeting and we have a BOD of which I am president. We were all told, when we purchased, that there were two wells, a main well and a backup well. We did not find out until a few months ago, that the backup well is not hooked up. It will cost approx. $100k to hook it up since it is quite a distance from the current well and distribution system. We feel the developer should pay for this. We are located in Oregon. Does anyone have any ideas that could help us or any information in dealing with something like this.
He is getting ready to sell lots in Phase II (16 total) and some of the board feels that the people in Phase II should be assessed a water hookup fee that would cover the entire cost. Others feel this is not fair, that it should be a shared cost, others feel the developer should pay in full for the hookup. Do we have legal rights to make him pay ?
Thank you,
Marsha
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Marsha, does the HOA own both wells? Probably not, I doubt the Developer would be stupid enough to have turned over ownership of either well prior to completing the development. So if the HOA does not own the wells yet you can put pressure on the Developer to hook up the second well. After all they do want to sell phase 2.

If the HOA does own both wells then the HOA may chose whether or not to allow the hookup of homes in phase 2. If the HOA choses to allow hookups they can charge whatever fee they establish. For example, if hookup cost is $100,000 for the second well and there are 16 homes then the HOA could consider charging at a minimum $6250 or should charge considerably more, IF THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT FUTURE WATER TO CONSIDER ALLOWING ANY HOOKUPS.
MarshaF (Oregon)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Yes, the developer deeded both wells to us and I have the paperwork to prove it. The main well is on our common area and the backup well is located about 1 mile up the road on another piece of property that is deeded to us and the use of that well except for 5 gal per minute in case a home should ever be built on the property. I am also the certified water system operator and have control over the water system. Water is a very big issue in the area where we are located and the developer has also paid to acquire a water right in the name of the HOA for both wells at a cost of about $11,000.00. Which he paid for and is not asking for reimbursement from the HOA.

I have approached him with the idea of having Phase II pay for all the costs and he stated in his mind this is not fair because ALL will benefit from hooking up the backup well. So he feels all 41 lots should pay equally. I can see his point, but I must also honor the other lot owners who currently have homes built and are living there. Their feeling is that we paid for our lots "assuming" (our mistake) that both wells were already hooked up. When we purchased our lot, I "understood" this to mean that we had two working wells and both were feeding the system.

In our CC&R's, it is loosely worded that the developer will be developing Phase II and that Phase II will be hooked up to the current water system. Does he have any legal rights to the water ? I must be careful that we don't get into a lawsuit over this. I am hoping there is already some legal stance we can take.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Marsha, I would contact an experienced HOA attorney. Unless the CC&Rs specifically state they additional lots may be hooked up at no cost then I believe the owner of the wells (the HOA) has the right to charge a hookup fee.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Jim, back to your question. Conversions are a little bit different than new-construction condos. The association's control of the common areas and responsibility often are complete with the first closing, even though the developer may still run the association as the first board of directors. When you convened may not be the date when the association and not the development company became responsible for the maintenance, etc. It may have been earlier.

But as the board, you should document the developer's responsiblity as the cause of the problem and send him the bill, then probably small claims court to collect, or, when you select an attorney, let them chase him down. If you can establish cause, or fault, then when the association came into being is not relevant. The developer could be treated as any other contractor that did a job improperly.

Joe

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MarshaF (Oregon)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Thank you for the help and information.
I will contact an HOA attorney.
Best Regards,
Marsha

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