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JoyN (North Carolina)
Posts: 10
Posted:
My HOA has used all its reserve money for building repairs, and now the roofs need replacing. Has anyone had any experiences, good or bad, with borrowing money from a lender instead of assessing homeowners?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Don't do it! Is my advice. Do a special Assessment before going for a loan. Loans are possible but I would try to avoid them. They can also be difficult to obtain from a HOA as well.

Here's the deal, if you get a loan, that means a loan payment. That loan payment translates into another debt each month your HOA has to pay off. If your HOA is barely making it's monthly bills, it sure can't afford an extra few hundred dollar loan payment. Essentially, a loan would put the owners in debt in the long run. Plus you may have to raise your dues to cover the costs.

A special assessment, is a much better option. It doesn't put the HOA into debt. The money will be there for when the bill arrives. It does take some time to pass a special assessment but it may be well worth the effort over a loan. Keep in mind the amount of the assessment must be divided amongst ALL the homeowner's equally. It also should ONLY cover the cost of the project. Don't throw in, well we have other things we need to do as well... into the mix without that being part of the special assessment agreement.

If your HOA can afford a loan payment, then consider it. However, it isn't the best option. A HOA's budget is setup to spend as much as it recieves in. Hence why it's a "Non-Profit" corporation. Spending more money than it takes in may have serious consequences on the overall budget.

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hoatalk (California)
Posts: 599
Posted:
There are many ways to look at this and every situation will be different. From an owner's point of view a roof is let's say a 20 year capital expense. With an assessment, you are effectively telling the current owner, "You have to pay this huge assessment bill because all the owners before you didn't pay enough in reserves." Imagine the owner that's only been there a year or two and now they have to pay a multi-thousand dollar assessment.

If the assessment would be considered large by the owners, then expect push back and expect collection problems. What will you do if half the owners refuse to pay the assessment? You have stated you have no money in reserves so you have no money to hire an attorney to collect the assessment if owners refuse.

This is where the loan may be easier to get passed by the owners. It seems more fair because it spreads the payment over many years, instead of being all at once. It's a smaller amount of money since it comes in a small dues increase so your collection problems may be less. You also need to consider raising the dues to put more in reserves for future expenses.

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ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:
"...This is where the loan may be easier to get passed by the owners..." Would this statement of yours also apply to HOAs in Illinois? Is it just a BOD decision? -ReneeD
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 599
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Posted By ReneeD on 09/03/2007 1:17 PM
"...This is where the loan may be easier to get passed by the owners..." Would this statement of yours also apply to HOAs in Illinois? Is it just a BOD decision? -ReneeD

That statement was not meant to infer any official procedure or laws. It was simply a comment that owners may more easily go with a plan that raises dues a small amount than one that hits with them a large assessment....simply human nature and the nature of personal finances. Just my opinion...

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It should be in the CC&R's if your HOA is allowed to get a loan. You should check to verify. Our rules did allow for us to apply for loans if need be. However, the actual process may be more difficult than getting a regular "household" loan. The HOA will have to provide enough historical financial records to prove they have a solid collection history and solid ability to repay the loan possibly without raising the dues. The HOA may have to raise the dues FIRST before applying for the loan if that is needed to raise the dues to cover the loan payment.

Raising the dues may require a "special meeting" with the general membership. Most likely the Majority (51 - 75%) will have to agree to either a special assessment or a special temporary dues raise if over the allowable yearly dues hike. The amount of the special assessment or dues percentage will have to be agreed upon and voted in by the membership. The BOD may put in the motion for this vote. The BOD will ultimately be responsible for filling out the paperwork and approving the contractors.

I've never filled out a loan for HOA but have considered it. The option was there but not worth it. We couldn't afford to monthly payments. Plus I am on the side of NOT putting one in more debt if you can pay off a debt instead. Loans just put you deeper in debt, at greater risk, and make you pay interest. Where a special assessment the debt is paid off and there is no interest charged.

Have you checked into making the roof repairs an insurance claim instead? All the HOA would have to do then is pay the deductible. Which could be only a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. Certain roof repairs are covered by the HOA's insurance. We had damage to our clubhouse roof once and the insurance would have covered it. However, the cost of the repair was under the deductible costs so we paid for it outright. The cost of insurance may raise a bit if you use this option but it may be a better option. Plus, you will know what your insurance company does cover and update that policy if need be.

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JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 09/03/2007 2:56 PM
It should be in the CC&R's if your HOA is allowed to get a loan. You should check to verify. Our rules did allow for us to apply for loans if need be. However, the actual process may be more difficult than getting a regular "household" loan. The HOA will have to provide enough historical financial records to prove they have a solid collection history and solid ability to repay the loan possibly without raising the dues. The HOA may have to raise the dues FIRST before applying for the loan if that is needed to raise the dues to cover the loan payment.

Raising the dues may require a "special meeting" with the general membership. Most likely the Majority (51 - 75%) will have to agree to either a special assessment or a special temporary dues raise if over the allowable yearly dues hike. The amount of the special assessment or dues percentage will have to be agreed upon and voted in by the membership. The BOD may put in the motion for this vote. The BOD will ultimately be responsible for filling out the paperwork and approving the contractors.

I've never filled out a loan for HOA but have considered it. The option was there but not worth it. We couldn't afford to monthly payments. Plus I am on the side of NOT putting one in more debt if you can pay off a debt instead. Loans just put you deeper in debt, at greater risk, and make you pay interest. Where a special assessment the debt is paid off and there is no interest charged.

Have you checked into making the roof repairs an insurance claim instead? All the HOA would have to do then is pay the deductible. Which could be only a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. Certain roof repairs are covered by the HOA's insurance. We had damage to our clubhouse roof once and the insurance would have covered it. However, the cost of the repair was under the deductible costs so we paid for it outright. The cost of insurance may raise a bit if you use this option but it may be a better option. Plus, you will know what your insurance company does cover and update that policy if need be.

MellissaP1 - You've never filled out a loan for an HOA but you write "They can also be difficult to obtain from a HOA as well."? I don't understand your post. You can't afford to pay off a loan (lower monthly payments/higher overall cost), yet you can afford a one-lump special assessment (large lump one-time sum)? Mind you I'm not advocating a loan but it may be a viable option depending on the association's finances. Loans do not necessarily put you deeper in debt. They increase the overall price of the purchase due to the interest that accrues. Loans can offer an association a chance to get the job done and time to recover. What an association should negotiate is no penalty for early payoff.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I've talked to other associations that had a hard time getting a loan. They had insufficient paperwork to prove they were able to get the loan. Plus, they may have had to have someone willing to use their own name and information to get the loan. I don't think there are many willing to put their own personal information on a loan paperwork. Even our own water company required an individual's name to be used to setup our water billing system. It was difficult to find someone willing to front that even if they would never be responsible for paying the bill.

The HOA still has to get permission much like a special assessment to approve taking out a loan. Why not request BOTH possibilities of a special assessment or getting out a loan for the members? Let the members decide their options. We are assuming that members aren't going to support this project. The members very well could be willing to put up the special assessment money instead of getting out a loan. You'd be surprised.

It's my financial believe you NEVER get a loan out if you can raise the money outright in cash. There's no need to add additional debt if you can keep that balance at 0.

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MaryD3 (District of Columbia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
As someone stated before- a loan is one option to raise funds for a capital repair project, and it may not be the best option for the Association. NCB has been lending to associations nationwide for over 15 years and it has helped many buildings make necessary repairs while considering the financial stability of all the unit owners. While special assessments are easier- it may not be the best option for the Association considering all the members of the Association. The loan can also bridge the collection of a special assessment ( by taking a line of credit). So if you need the funds immediately but are giving unit owners 12-24 months to come up with the special assessment, the loan can bridge the gap. The other options are to spread out the loan for a longer term. You do pay interest, but it may be an option to consider when giving presentations to the membership. Please contact NCB at 800-766-2622 if you need to get a proposal outlining terms or rates or just to answer questions.


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BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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In this scenario it may not be a bad idea to get a loan to get the repair done and to keep from knocking the homeowners flat on their rear with a huge special assessment. But, the only way as a board member that I would vote yes for a loan is if there was an agreement to do an updated reserve study and to raise assessments not only to pay for the loan but to make sure in the future that the association didn't have to take out a loan for scheduled repairs and maintenance.

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