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TamaraG1 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I would like to know if a homeowner can make a claim to insurance company of HOA without notifying the Board. Also, can tenant do the same thing?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Tamara, usually not. All claims should be approved by the Board. However, in Colorado under SB05-100 they could. The next year SB06-89 corrected this legislative blunder.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Tamara, I should qualify this further in case you are involved in such a situation in Colorado. For example, I am aware of such a situation where the Board was not involved in such a claim in the fall of 2005. The managing agent claimed it fell under SB-100. However, that portion of SB05-100 did not go into effect until 1/1/06 and was cancelled by SB06-89 on 1/1/07. Therefore it was only in effect during the calendar year 2006. Thus the Board needs to approve claims filed prior to 2006 and after 2006 unless they have delegated that authority to the MC via their management agreement (not recommended!).
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A tenant is NOT a member of the HOA. The owner is. So if there are any insurance claims to be made, it has to go through the owner. As far as the going to the HOA insurance company, the owner's own insurance company should do that. That's usually how claims are done. I don't know what claim your wanting to file, but it most likely will have to go through your own homeowner's insurance policy as well.

The HOA's insurance represents the GROUP of homeowner's and NOT the individual homeowner. So I highly doubt the HOA insurance will be dealing with an individual homeowner's claim without the boards approval or notice. Plus, the insurance of a HOA is usually ONLY liability insurance. It doesn't cover what you may think it does. Matter of fact, it hardly covers anything at all from my own experience.

You may hate your BOD but if you have a claim, they should know about it regardless. Your setting yourself up for more pain and aggrevation if you try to hide things. It's best to fact the issue head-on.


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JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/29/2007 9:43 PM

You may hate your BOD but if you have a claim, they should know about it regardless. Your setting yourself up for more pain and aggrevation if you try to hide things. It's best to fact the issue head-on.

MelissaP1 - What makes you think TamaraG1 hates the BOD, what's the basis or significance of that comment?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Melissa, for clarification your reply only applies for single family homes on individual lots. It does no apply for HOAs which are townhome or condo communities where the buildings are part of the common area. In such communities property insurance is critical. I think you are may only be referring to D&O liability insurance.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
If I am walking on HOA common area and a light pole of theirs falls on me and hurts me I as a tenant either in a single family or condo setting have the right to contact the insurance provider. I think it depends on the situation. In that case the board should be notified, but doesn't have to be.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
I don't think so Brad. You would contact the association who would decide whether to contact their insurance agent (they should) or handle it directly. Your claim would be against the association, not the insurance company, even though they would probably handle it.

Example, instead of hitting you, the light pole hits the fender of your car. Repair cost $900. The association's deductible would be more than that, and also, they would probably prefer to cover it directly, rather than have the claim on their record. Insurance premiums are going up fast enough.

Joe

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GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
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If there is an MC the MC should be notified and the MC would report to the board. All claims should filter through the MC and the board to the insurance company. Most Agents will not take a claim from anyone other than the MC or board.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I said "IF you hate your board". I didn't say they DID hate their board. Someone NOT willing to contact their board on such major issues as a possible insurance claim, doesn't seem like a person who has a "good" relationship with their board. There has to be a reason why you wouldn't communicate to your board on any issue. That may be that you don't trust or do not like dealing with your board. The post just didn't provide enough detail to determine their relationship with their BOD/HOA.

If a lamppost fell on a person or a vehicle and caused damage, it would depend on where on the HOA's property this occurred. It may be a claim on the victim's individual homeowner's policy, the homeowner's insurance where the accident occurred, HOA's insurance, or even the city/county's insurance.

If the street are public and the lampposts maintained by the city/county, then they could be blamed. If a board member was paid to repair the lamppost and it fell due to his/her negligence, it could be the HOA's. (Neglect of maintenance included). If the lammpost was installed by the homeowner, then they could be responsible. If the victim was climbing the lamppost at the time of the accident, they may be considered at fault.

Most of the time, insurance claims are settled amongst the insurance companies. They always have a way to pass the buck amongst eachother or to the homeowner.

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BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Posted By JosephW on 08/30/2007 12:52 PM
I don't think so Brad. You would contact the association who would decide whether to contact their insurance agent (they should) or handle it directly. Your claim would be against the association, not the insurance company, even though they would probably handle it.

Example, instead of hitting you, the light pole hits the fender of your car. Repair cost $900. The association's deductible would be more than that, and also, they would probably prefer to cover it directly, rather than have the claim on their record. Insurance premiums are going up fast enough.

Joe

Joe:

If I know who the insurance company is I have the right to contact them in either situation. They will go to the board for approval, but I can still do that if I want to.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Yes Brad, you have the right, but individual owners don't have a relationship with the association's insurance company. The association, as an entity does, through its elected board, or designated agent (management). Your claim is against the association, not their insurance. The association may choose to use their insurance to settle your claim. You said it, even if you went to the agent, they would have to go to the association first, before acting on your issue. Yes, I know you can go to the agent, but they have no responsibility to respond to you as an individual. So why wouldn't you do it as its supposed to handled?

Joe

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BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Joe:

My limited experience in auto claims has shown me that as soon as you get the insurance company involved things move really fast and you get what you want. I have been on both sides of the fence of being the party that contacted the insurance company and having my insurance company contacted on me before I had an opportunity to discuss with them or decide to pay myself. I have also been on the side of the fence of having to deal without insurance and it is much easier to use the insurance company as leverage to get payment than to try to get it out of the individual imo.

Back to the original question if you have a claim against a party it is your right to contact the insurance company, you don't have to contact the board, either one will work.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By BradP on 08/31/2007 8:17 AM
Back to the original question if you have a claim against a party it is your right to contact the insurance company, you don't have to contact the board, either one will work.

You first have to contact the Board in Colorado BradP. The following is the insurance section of the Colorado Common Interest Ownership ACT (CCIOA) as of 1/1/07. Only during calendar year 2006 is what you said true.

SB06-89
SECTION 16. 10-4-110.8 (5), Colorado Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
10-4-110.8. Homeowner's insurance - prohibited practices - definitions. (
5) (a) In a common interest community, as defined in 14 section 38-33.3-103 (8), C.R.S., a unit owner may file a claim against the policy of the unit owner's association to the same extent, and with the same effect, as if the unit owner were an additional A named insured IF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET:
(I) THE UNIT OWNER HAS CONTACTED THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OR THE ASSOCIATION'S MANAGING AGENT IN WRITING, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH ANY APPLICABLE ASSOCIATION POLICIES OR PROCEDURES FOR OWNER-INITIATED INSURANCE CLAIMS, REGARDING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE CLAIM;
(II) THE UNIT OWNER HAS GIVEN THE ASSOCIATION AT LEAST FIFTEEN DAYS TO RESPOND IN WRITING, AND, IF SO REQUESTED, HAS GIVEN THE ASSOCIATION'S AGENT A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO INSPECT THE DAMAGE; AND
(III) THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE CLAIM FALLS WITHIN THE ASSOCIATION'S INSURANCE RESPONSIBILITIES.
5) (b) THE ASSOCIATION'S INSURER, WHEN DETERMINING PREMIUMS TO BE CHARGED TO THE ASSOCIATION, SHALL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY REQUEST BY A UNIT OWNER FOR A CLARIFICATION OF COVERAGE.

JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/30/2007 2:55 PM
I said "IF you hate your board". I didn't say they DID hate their board. Someone NOT willing to contact their board on such major issues as a possible insurance claim, doesn't seem like a person who has a "good" relationship with their board.

MelissaP1 - You wrote, "You may hate your BOD but if you have a claim, they should know about it regardless." You did not write "IF you hate your board". My question to you regarding your statement was posed because IMHO you've jumped the gun on making an assessment, and posted a response where nothing in the original post warranted it. Tamara's one and only post to this was as follows: "I would like to know if a homeowner can make a claim to insurance company of HOA without notifying the Board. Also, can tenant do the same thing?"

Now, what if Tamara was asking because someone else made a claim and she is wondering if there is any propriety? You don't know by her post, yet you go on and on about things like "good" relationship with their board, etc.

Look, we all get a little heated up now and then but I'm pointing this out because I really think your kind of response to this particular subject lends itself to trepidation on future postings of the original author.
JeriD
Posts: 44
Posted:
You are the HOA. If you sue the HOA you are sueing yourself.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jeri:

So you are saying if a light pole that the hoa owns falls on your car causing $5,000 in damages that since you are in an HOA you should eat it? I agree with your statement that suing the hoa is suing yourself, but there is a point and time where it makes sense to do that, as an individual homeowner I am eating that kind of a bill.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
correction, I am NOT going to eat that kind of a bill.
JoeF (Colorado)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The answer to this question depends on state law and on your governing documents. In Colorado, an owner may go directly to an insurer. But at our association, we adopted a policy that, if an owner does so, neither the board nor the manager will assist in or processing the claim. As a practical matter, it is not prudent for a homeowner to do an end around in this regards. With something as important and complex as an insurance claim and the subsequent repairs, a homeowner will want to have all the assistance he or she can possibly get, so going through the board and manager makes more sense. We have also notified our carrier that it must notify us in the event that an owner does file a direct claim.

Under no circumstances may a tenant file a claim. A tenant has no status with respect to the association or its contractors ( of which the insurance carrier is one). Tenants must go through the unit owner, and the association and its carrier should deal with the owner, not the tenant.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
JoeF, are you aware of the insurance requirements in SB06-89? Read my post on this thread.

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