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ThomasD2
(California)

Posts:207


11/05/2018 5:48 PM  

I'm on the board of an HOA of 22 townhouses in Southern California. Over six months ago my next door neighbor mentioned he was going to install cameras on the outside walls of his home. I did tell him I objected and urged him to seek permission from the HOA. (Our CCR's don't mention cameras, but as usual state that any alteration to the outside walls must have written permission from the board.) I myself would object but would give him a fair hearing. I think such cameras are of dubious value, especially since it is monitored by the neighbor, not the HOA. It intrudes on my privacy for little extra security. Nevertheless, the neighbor installed three cameras on the wall, never requesting permission. I choose my battles carefully after many ugly arguments and said nothing. A few weeks later his neighbor on his other side went ballistic saying it should never have been allowed, "who died and made him sheriff," etc. He removed the cameras.

The board president also said that he should have requested permission to do this. But the president also said they worried that "recent law" indicated a homeowner had a "right" to such cameras and that an HOA board might not be allowed to deny such cameras. I asked what law and they said they were not sure but were confident it was up to date HOA policy. They worried we might have no standing if someone else makes such a request. That certainly sounds like a stretch, but even so, I wondered if there was something to this. Does current HOA policy give homeowner's a right to install such cameras, no matter what the CCR's say?

MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:7716


11/05/2018 9:45 PM  
Considering there is no such thing as privacy as soon as you leave your 4 walls... Then why can't they have the cameras? Unless those cameras are pointed to my backyard or into my windows, then I don't have an issue with someone putting cameras on their own home.

Former HOA President
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5852


11/05/2018 10:36 PM  
As is so often the case, Melissa is wrong. The & condos almost always have restriction against penetrations of the common area walls. Both you & your neighbor are right to be upset about privacy, but the integrity of your buildings is even more important.

There is no "recent law" in CA permitting this. Have your prez show you the law. The Board, btw, needs to decide on this, NOT the president.
GeorgeS21
(Florida)

Posts:750


11/05/2018 10:58 PM  
Yeah - this sounds simple from the perspective of bolting things in the house without permission.

And, no, not as simple re right to privacy, etc ... California law likely dictates.
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:7820


11/06/2018 4:56 AM  
In my opinion cameras should be allowed. That said they should be aimed so that they are showing ones property and no other property. Showing anything outside one's own property I would consider a violation of privacy.
GeorgeS21
(Florida)

Posts:750


11/06/2018 7:23 AM  
The aiming thing is problematic ... who aims or checks on screen? Who determines if the lens is multifunction - allowing selectable narrow vs wide field of view? Do the cameras allow mechanical articulation? Can one jump up on a ladder and repoint the cameras or lenses without it being obvious?
SamE2
(New Jersey)

Posts:24


11/06/2018 8:49 AM  
Since this is a townhouse community I think the HOA should only be concerned about how the cameras look on the building and that they are installed in a way that does not allow damage to the building if the HOA has to maintain it. Let local, state and federal government deal with the other issues concerning cameras.
ThomasD2
(California)

Posts:207


11/06/2018 8:59 AM  
Posted By JohnC46 on 11/06/2018 4:56 AM
In my opinion cameras should be allowed. That said they should be aimed so that they are showing ones property and no other property. Showing anything outside one's own property I would consider a violation of privacy.




I do not want to allow the cameras, but understand that many others think they should be allowed to install them. (I don’t think the homeowner did themself any favors by not asking for permission.) But the HOA Pres fears we may not even have a right to deny that. That is what concerns me, is that really the case.
DouglasK1
(Florida)

Posts:1263


11/06/2018 10:41 AM  
I know there are laws that limit an association's ability to impede the installation of a satellite dish, I'm not aware of any that limit the association's ability to prohibit or limit cameras.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5852


11/06/2018 10:56 AM  
Thomas, for the 2nd time, ask the Prez to show you this law. I do not think it exists!
ThomasD2
(California)

Posts:207


11/06/2018 11:09 AM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 11/06/2018 10:56 AM
Thomas, for the 2nd time, ask the Prez to show you this law. I do not think it exists!





I did ask, they thought it was "current state HOA policy." I agree that that is probably not true.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5852


11/06/2018 11:27 AM  
So far as I know, it's not so I'm not going to look up something that doesn't exit.
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