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RoyR3
(Idaho)

Posts:2


09/08/2018 3:15 PM  
Some Board members want to add a swimming pool in our 125 house sub. Not sure of all the pitfalls, help.
GeorgeS21
(Florida)

Posts:669


09/08/2018 3:22 PM  
ROY,

You will need to put FAR more effort into this thread to obtain help.
KellyM3
(North Carolina)

Posts:1312


09/08/2018 5:06 PM  
Start w/ this.....does the HOA have at least enough savings (in cash) to cover a $250,000 minimum investment and still have enough cash savings to guard keep the rest of the community amenities properly maintained?

And I mean a MINIMUM quarter million.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5767


09/08/2018 6:04 PM  
What pitfalls can you see, Roy? For instance, does your municipality or state require you build restrooms too?

Why do some on the board want a pool?

Given what Kelly wrote, which sounds about right, wouldn't your Owners have to vote on such a huge capital expenditure? What do your docs or state laws say about this?

Are you on the Board, Roy. Perhaps those who want the pool should be appointed as an ad hoc committee to bring the rest of estimated costs of everything???
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5767


09/08/2018 6:04 PM  
What pitfalls can you see, Roy? For instance, does your municipality or state require you build restrooms too?

Why do some on the board want a pool?

Given what Kelly wrote, which sounds about right, wouldn't your Owners have to vote on such a huge capital expenditure? What do your docs or state laws say about this?

Are you on the Board, Roy. Perhaps those who want the pool should be appointed as an ad hoc committee to bring the rest of estimated costs of everything???
GenoS
(Florida)

Posts:2435


09/08/2018 6:29 PM  
Also don't forget to consider the amount that will be needed for swimming pool reserves. When our pool developed a crack in the concrete shell a few years ago, we found ourselves with no pool reserves and a $16,000 repair bill. The board decided to raid the other reserve accounts to cover the cost (improperly but nobody objected). Today we still don't have a line in our reserves for the pool and now it's 28 years old.

Figure out what kind of reserves you're going to need in the future and budget for it.
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:7671


09/08/2018 10:54 PM  
Let's talk about the purpose of a swimming pool for a HOA. It basically is a "selling point". People may want to purchase because there is a pool available. One of which they don't have to maintain in their own yards. Having a pool does not increase home value. Just attracts potential buyers.

The advantages are that a pool is fun to have. It attracts families to purchase. Some people enjoy the exercise. Makes a nice gathering place for neighbors. I've got a "baby pool" this year. (3 foot deep/10 feet wide with filter). Will say do enjoy floating in it on a nice hot summer's day. Plus don't have to go driving to a big water park or hang out in a river to swim.

Now for the disadvantages... It's a cleaning nightmare! One poop in the pool and your closed for 24 hours! The chemicals are expensive. The water bill is high. Must hire someone to monitor the chemicals and clean the pool area. Enforcing the rules is nearly impossible. You may not have a lifeguard on duty. Insurance costs are rather high. Maintenance is non-stop.

You will find that a pool doesn't exactly attract a "crowd". It will sit empty during many hours of the day. Night time the noise and break-ins can be an issue. A few drunks or fire works found in your pool doesn't make a good day...

Now if your developer had installed the pool from the beginning, it would have been better for everyone. Adding a new pool puts it in a different ball park. You have to add the cost of purchase/installation. Otherwise, having an existing pool it's just the maintenance/operation costs.

I won't say "no" to owning a pool. Rather enjoy them. It's just the blossom will come off that rose. My little baby pool? I have to clean it for about 30 minutes before I get to enjoy it.

Former HOA President
PaaN


Posts:0


09/09/2018 1:16 AM  
Swimming Pool:

A hole in the ground into which one pours money.
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:7671


09/09/2018 5:01 AM  
PAAN PERFECT description... It's like buying a boat... Great on water... Sucks money on land...

Former HOA President
KellyM3
(North Carolina)

Posts:1312


09/09/2018 11:05 AM  
Swimming pools are part of community operations. If an HOA is self-managed or its board generally keeps repairs, etc to in-house "talent" to save money, then the community may not have the human resources to operate the pool. It's a complicated amenity but is a benefit when properly planned and its operations accounted as a regular maintenance item.

Start w/ the upfront investment dollars....if there's money, take a step.

Expect to spend very low five figures on pool operations on annual basis.


It's all about the cash. With good maintenance, pools aren't bad but they need professional care.
LetA
(Nevada)

Posts:510


09/09/2018 11:19 AM  
Posted By MelissaP1 on 09/09/2018 5:01 AM
PAAN PERFECT description... It's like buying a boat... Great on water... Sucks money on land...




Well, BOAT stands for Bust Out Another Thousand,,, don't have one for pool yet..
RoyR3
(Idaho)

Posts:2


09/09/2018 12:18 PM  
Thank you all for your input.

Yes we will need ADA Bathrooms and parking also requiring 75% homeowner approval. The financial issue is financing $200,000 and using $100,000 from our reserve which would leave us around $40,000. The H.O.A Dues would have to sky rocket.

I'm a 10 year Board member and I can see so many issues with going forward with this "BOAT", so I'm really trying to gather ammunition for our next Board Meeting. Thanks again.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5767


09/09/2018 12:30 PM  
Unless I misunderstood you, Roy, and unless ID is different than CA, you may not expend reserves funds on new components. Reserves are for the maintenance, repair & replacement of existing components for which your HOA is responsible that already are listed in your reserves study.

This capital expenditure would involve a huge special assessment for each owner.
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:15999


09/09/2018 4:47 PM  
Posted By RoyR3 on 09/09/2018 12:18 PM
The financial issue is financing $200,000 and using $100,000 from our reserve which would leave us around $40,000. The H.O.A Dues would have to sky rocket.




Keep in mind that you have to pay back the Reserves. Failure to do so can result in deferred maintenance/replacement and/or the need for special assessments to cover normal reserve costs.

Based on 125 members, this is only an $800 payment. My suggestion, leave the reserves alone and simply adopt a special assessment of $800 for the pool (this will tell you if you really have support for a pool or not).

BTW, have you checked to see what the increase in you insurance will be?
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:5767


09/09/2018 5:13 PM  
In CA, we may borrow from reserves but have to show a repayment plan to owners. You need to know what the law is in ID, Roy, if any.
GenoS
(Florida)

Posts:2435


09/09/2018 5:57 PM  
ADA bathrooms may not be required. There are fair housing regulations that may have similar requirements to the ADA, but in FL at least, strict ADA compliance is not necessary if the amenity or facility is not held out for public use.
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:7772


09/10/2018 6:43 AM  
Posted By GenoS on 09/09/2018 5:57 PM
ADA bathrooms may not be required. There are fair housing regulations that may have similar requirements to the ADA, but in FL at least, strict ADA compliance is not necessary if the amenity or facility is not held out for public use.





Same in SC. Not required if not open to the public.
RoyalpitA
(South Carolina)

Posts:148


09/30/2018 4:19 PM  
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/10/2018 6:43 AM
Posted By GenoS on 09/09/2018 5:57 PM
ADA bathrooms may not be required. There are fair housing regulations that may have similar requirements to the ADA, but in FL at least, strict ADA compliance is not necessary if the amenity or facility is not held out for public use.





Same in SC. Not required if not open to the public.




South Carolina:

Correct

BUT

unless ALL homes are within 300 feet of pool, bathrooms ARE required.


? Who will maintain / clean them on a DAILY basis ?

? Empty the REQUIRED trash container ?

? Take and record DAILY chemical readings ?

? Maintain clearance around pool from 'tripping hazards ?

? Clean and maintain any 'lounges/tables' ?

etc etc etc ad infinitum
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