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AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/06/2018 4:55 PM  
Urgent.. does anyone know about a type of door lock/bell called the RING. It is noise activated and can record/photograph within an area... In a condo complex, the door of the one condo is about 10' feet from the entry door of another condo. This one person affixed a RING door lock on his condo entry door.. As said before, it is motion activated so when someone is in the area, it will record what is being said and it also will motion picture around the area of that one condo door.....The person at the condo 10' away is complaining that that person's neighbor can record what she is saying outside of her door or what her guests are saying outside of that persons door and also have a running film of who that person is having in the condo, etc. My question... Is this legal? Is it an invasion of privacy?
SheliaH
(Indiana)

Posts:2767


02/06/2018 5:57 PM  
Legal questions require a review by an attorney. If this was placed by your neighbor, have you discussed your concerns with him/her?
LetA
(Nevada)

Posts:837


02/06/2018 6:01 PM  
"And when you get behind closed doors"

Common areas are fair game. It is no different if the HOA installed CCTV cameras throuought the common areas.

Word to the wise this day and age, everything is being recorded.
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:8763


02/06/2018 6:07 PM  
Anything outside your front door is public. So if your expectation of privacy is pretty much limited inside your door. Reality is that you are probably being video taped or recorded about anywhere you go now a days. Pump gas? On cameras. Stop at a red light? On camera At a cross walk? on camera. Stop at an ATM? On camera. Drop kids off at school? on camera. Go to Walart? On camera. Take a walk in your neighborhood? On camera if someone has a security system.

So expectation of privacy is a bit ridiculous at this point. Heck the computer I am typing on? I am ON CAMERA! Sounds like a neighbor/neighbor issue the HOA needs to stay out of.

Former HOA President
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:16552


02/06/2018 6:07 PM  
This is something that needs to be asked of a local attorney to see if it's legal or not.

The first issue would be the applicable wiretapping laws.

Per K title 13 § 176.3 and Can We Tape (book for reporters on State taping laws - see page 14), you must be a party to the conversation in order to legally record it without a court order.

Therefore, recording video and audio through a security system aimed at the hallway would, in my layman's opinion, may be a violation of the statute. Check with an attorney to be sure. Now, once someone knocks on the door and the owner answers via the security system, they are then part of the conversation.


The second issue would be is a common hallway considered an area where there is an expectation of privacy?

This is the issue that will likely decide if it's legal or not.
Hence, the need to speak with an attorney.



I have a security system that records both video and audio at my 2nd home in TN (detached homes). TN has similar statutes on wiretapping but also had definitive court cases on expectation of privacy. Therefore, to be safe, I disabled the audio recording capability.
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:16552


02/06/2018 6:21 PM  
Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/06/2018 6:07 PM

Anything outside your front door is public.




Although this is a common thought, and certainly applicable for video, when audio recording comes into play a whole different set of rules are used.




AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/06/2018 6:32 PM  
It makes it even more of an issue when the one person in one condo unit and the one right across from another unit by approximately 10' and both are extremely antagonistic with each other..One person has promised to remove the camera part of it but how would the person opposite know for sure it is off? I still have that feeling that an attorney is best to consult on this matter.
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:16552


02/06/2018 7:07 PM  
Actually, I also think that this is a neighbor v neighbor issue and not an HOA issue.
JerryD5
(Colorado)

Posts:205


02/07/2018 7:29 AM  
Ironically, the same neighbor complaining about privacy outside her condo door probably has an "Alexa"-type device that has the capability of doing the same thing. Welcome to the 21st century.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/07/2018 8:34 AM  
Outside a condo unit's door is not "public," as Melissa puts it. It's common area, thus condo board can make rules about them and we have a few in our condo HOA. One, per the fire dept., is that we can't have any welcome mats, potted pants, furniture, etc. which might impede Emerg. personnel during their work.

Since the exterior of our front doors are the HOA's responsibility to maintain, we may not hardwire door bells, or attach door knockers or door stops to them. So our own rules may prohibit such a device as Alex's HOA has deeding on how it's attached to the owner's front door or hallway wall.

So, for Alex, are front doors the HOA's responsibility to maintain? Or Owners'?

Otherwise, I tend to agree that you need an attorney's advice.
DouglasM6
(Arizona)

Posts:724


02/07/2018 8:50 AM  
Just put a small sign on the door that has the camera saying "24 hour surveillance in effect in this area", or something like that, and you're legal in most states. The audio would still not be admissible in court except for special circumstances, but it should solve this Non-HOA issue.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/07/2018 11:31 AM  
If the door is the HOA's responsibility, the sign would be prohibited.
AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/07/2018 3:13 PM  
I have had a great number of suggestions offered... we will be bringing this to a conclusion later and I will come back on here to give the results.
GeorgeR8
(Arizona)

Posts:157


02/07/2018 5:16 PM  
My condo board voted to approve RING a few months ago. We have several now and many of the owners are interested in getting one. Seasonal residents are getting a discount on their insurance for having one. Not one complaint. The way our condos are located I think it is a good idea, for others with closer doors it may not be.
JanetB2
(Colorado)

Posts:4168


02/07/2018 11:40 PM  
Posted By AlexM1 on 02/06/2018 4:55 PM
Urgent.. does anyone know about a type of door lock/bell called the RING. It is noise activated and can record/photograph within an area... In a condo complex, the door of the one condo is about 10' feet from the entry door of another condo. This one person affixed a RING door lock on his condo entry door.. As said before, it is motion activated so when someone is in the area, it will record what is being said and it also will motion picture around the area of that one condo door.....The person at the condo 10' away is complaining that that person's neighbor can record what she is saying outside of her door or what her guests are saying outside of that persons door and also have a running film of who that person is having in the condo, etc. My question... Is this legal? Is it an invasion of privacy?


It is not noise activated ... it is motion activated. While RING is a doorbell you also have many other options such as ARLO which I have on my house. Pretty much if it is being “Sold” in stores within your State then most likely “Legal” within your State and not considered any invasion of privacy. Since you are Condo here is potential issue you can run into ... if you do not allow someone to install for safety reason and something happens the HOA can be sued big time. This has happened in HOA’s who before RING denied owners installing simple security lights around their units (cost those HOA’s a lot of money). If it was my HOA ... I would keep OUT of the issue (if at all possible) and let any two neighbors have their petty dispute. ??? Who owns and maintains the damn doorbell ???
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:16552


02/08/2018 3:19 AM  
Posted By JanetB2 on 02/07/2018 11:40 PM

Pretty much if it is being “Sold” in stores within your State then most likely “Legal” within your State and not considered any invasion of privacy.




I completely disagree.

I also own the same system you have.
I can say for certain that it is sold in TN, VA, MD and DC. More then likely, it is sold in all 50 States.

MD requires consent of all parties to a conversation
TN, DC and VA requires you to be part of the conversation (but only 1 party consent)



AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/08/2018 7:21 AM  
Janet: VERY good point.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/08/2018 8:21 AM  
Alex, do NOT neglect the question of who is responsible for maintaining your condo front doors? If the HOA, your HOA may have rules against installing anything that needs to be hardwired, or anything that must affixed with screws, etc. That's our rules, but our front doors are in interior halls. Maybe yours aren't?

What do your docs say, Alex?
LetA
(Nevada)

Posts:837


02/09/2018 12:28 AM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/08/2018 8:21 AM
Alex, do NOT neglect the question of who is responsible for maintaining your condo front doors? If the HOA, your HOA may have rules against installing anything that needs to be hardwired, or anything that must affixed with screws, etc. That's our rules, but our front doors are in interior halls. Maybe yours aren't?

What do your docs say, Alex?





The momentary pushbutton SPST switch which is the "doorbell" is typically in a tiny gang box like your electric outlet or it's surrounded by a wire cage where
2 set screws hold the button in place. The RING doorbell replaces that "momentary switch" TO affix the backing plate to the wall for the ring system can use the existing
template without having to affix extra screws to the wall. Honestly I don't see these being any CC&R violation. Probably soon to be added to FHA regs.
DaveD3
(Michigan)

Posts:796


02/09/2018 8:08 AM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/08/2018 8:21 AM
Alex, do NOT neglect the question of who is responsible for maintaining your condo front doors? If the HOA, your HOA may have rules against installing anything that needs to be hardwired, or anything that must affixed with screws, etc. That's our rules, but our front doors are in interior halls. Maybe yours aren't?

What do your docs say, Alex?




Do the doors have peepholes/viewers?
Can someone standing inside the door hear the conversations of the neighbour?
If either is "yes" one would have to ask if the neighbour has a reasonable expectation of privacy in that location.
Legal question for the courts, my personal opinion is no, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy there. Don't want to be heard, go elsewhere with your conversations.
TimB4
(Virginia)

Posts:16552


02/09/2018 8:10 AM  
Keep in mind that the issue isn't overhearing conversations.
The issue is recording said conversations without permission and without being part of the conversation.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/09/2018 8:36 AM  
I agree with Tim. I'm not raising the privacy issue.

I'm reporting that my HOA's Rules & Regs do not permit anything attached, that penetrates the doors, to the exterior of our front doors (interior hallways) other than what's original (peephole, original door handle). We may install combo locks. This is common among high rises in my urban 'hood.
DaveD3
(Michigan)

Posts:796


02/09/2018 1:39 PM  
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/09/2018 8:36 AM
I agree with Tim. I'm not raising the privacy issue.

I'm reporting that my HOA's Rules & Regs do not permit anything attached, that penetrates the doors, to the exterior of our front doors (interior hallways) other than what's original (peephole, original door handle). We may install combo locks. This is common among high rises in my urban 'hood.





No. You're trying to find a way to get rid of the camera that you don't like.

Would you be 100% ok with a camera that replaced the existing peephole? I don't think so.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/09/2018 1:54 PM  
I think you're confused, Dave. No one is or has tried to install cameras at any of our 200+ condo units' doors.

Alex from OK is the OP.
AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/09/2018 1:55 PM  
This is one problem that keeps coming back to bite us... the combo lock.. where you put in a code and the door opens....In some readings, this is not authorized and in other readings, ,it is authorized
DaveD3
(Michigan)

Posts:796


02/09/2018 2:09 PM  
Mistook you for the OP, Kerry. Sorry.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/09/2018 3:57 PM  
So, Alex, what is it that's confusing in your documents about installing combo locks on front doors? If your HOA isn't responsible for maintaining them, there should be no issue.

Our HOA is responsible for maintaining the exterior of the front doors in our hallways, but we do permit the installation of combination locks.
AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/09/2018 4:07 PM  
It is a tough one.. so... we are going to take the stand that any combination locks that are already on the doors... will have to send in permission request for those types of locks.. They will undoubtedly be approved.. but the RING will not be approved.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/09/2018 4:16 PM  
Alex: Can't you tell us what your governing documents say about your front doors??
AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/09/2018 4:23 PM  
When I get to the office tomorrow, I will copy that section and send it
DaveD3
(Michigan)

Posts:796


02/09/2018 4:54 PM  
Posted By AlexM1 on 02/09/2018 1:55 PM
This is one problem that keeps coming back to bite us... the combo lock.. where you put in a code and the door opens....In some readings, this is not authorized and in other readings, ,it is authorized




In SOME readings? The only reading that matters is the reading by the Board of Directors. If they interpret the restriction to permit (or restrict) their installation, they can notify the membership of that official interpretation and have it be so.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/09/2018 7:36 PM  
Thank you, Dave. I seem to have trouble encouraging Alex to tell us what his docs say.
AlexF2
(Georgia)

Posts:12


02/17/2018 1:18 AM  
The RING video doorbell does not require new or existing wiring. It runs off a rechargeable battery and communicates via the home's Wi-Fi network. Now, the RING Pro does require hard-wiring since it is designed to replace an existing doorbell.

I am interested in how this issue plays out in a condo situation and how anyone draws a distinction between a hallway leading to a condo door and a sidewalk in front of a private home. Both are public walkways aren't they? HOA's can be responsible to the maintenance in both cases.
AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/17/2018 6:12 AM  
Later, I will send two sections in our CC&Rs on this subject.... and also will let you know of the outcome
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


02/17/2018 9:18 AM  
WHO, Alex, is responsible for maintaining the exterior of residences' front doors? Owners? Or the HOA?

Do these doors have existing wiring for doorbells that the developer originally installed?
AlexM1
(Oklahoma)

Posts:273


02/17/2018 10:24 AM  
I am going to send another answer later when the final decision is made. The OWNER is responsible for the door but JUST beyond the paint on the outside of the door and the normal handle/latch...... Those combination locks built into the handle... or/and the RING are not authorized without an ARC to excuse them.....We will come up later with the final decision but for the moment, this is probably going to be the decision.
ElizabethR5
(California)

Posts:1


04/06/2018 6:14 PM  
I own my condo here in California. I just installed the ring doorbell camera surveillance for my own security. My ho a board gave me the go-ahead to do this. There may be a problem because the woman across from me directly may or may not like this I'm not sure yet. My camera is facing adjacent towards her door. Our condo is similar to a hotel room setup the way the interior appears with the long hallways closed locked doors you must have keys. So far it works excellent and I'm very happy with it. I think everyone should install one. Oh I forgot to mention I do suspect that my neighbor across from me has a peephole security camera surveillance. She was waving at it one time as I look through my own people looking towards her door. That's a good thing hopefully she does.
MartinaJ
(Alaska)

Posts:4


10/17/2018 10:58 PM  
If your concern about door security
MartinaJ
(Alaska)

Posts:4


10/17/2018 11:05 PM  
If you more concern about door security So Netgear Arlo is the best product to provide the high wireless security. It has a security system that records both video and audio. In my opinion, you can try this or If have any issue with that so here is a link https://www.netgearroutersupportnumber.com/netgear-arlo-support/ who gives you all the information about Netgear Arlo. The same product I also used a long time. Both services are awesome including product and backend.
MartinaJ
(Alaska)

Posts:4


10/17/2018 11:11 PM  
Posted By MartinaJ on 10/17/2018 11:05 PM
If you more concern about door security So Netgear Arlo is the best product to provide the high wireless security. It has a security system that records both video and audio. In my opinion, you can try this or If have any issue with that so here is a link https://www.netgearroutersupportnumber.com/netgear-arlo-support/ who gives you all the information about Netgear Arlo. The same product I also used a long time. Both services are awesome including product and backend.




I am using the same.!
NigelB
(Texas)

Posts:252


10/18/2018 8:34 AM  
Posted By TimB4 on 02/08/2018 3:19 AM
Posted By JanetB2 on 02/07/2018 11:40 PM

Pretty much if it is being “Sold” in stores within your State then most likely “Legal” within your State and not considered any invasion of privacy.




I completely disagree.

I also own the same system you have.
I can say for certain that it is sold in TN, VA, MD and DC. More then likely, it is sold in all 50 States.

MD requires consent of all parties to a conversation
TN, DC and VA requires you to be part of the conversation (but only 1 party consent)







It is actually an interesting discussion especially in the modern era when we have access to security systems, doorbells etc that are capable of both video and oral recording.

In a previous existence I was in federal law enforcement.

The federal statute is very clear when it comes to the interception of oral communications. Unless there is consent by one of the parties, an intercept and recording is unlawful. If an unattended camera is covering a public place then the visual recording is ok, but any oral recording would not be ok. State laws may be even more limiting and require that both parties consent.

But what are the consequences of a non-consenual audio recording? Probably nothing, unless of course the security system recorded a crime taking place and law enforcement used it as part of the prosecution evidence. In which case only the visual part would be considered admissible.
GenoS
(Florida)

Posts:3364


10/20/2018 12:27 PM  
Posted By MartinaJ on 10/17/2018 11:11 PM
Posted By MartinaJ on 10/17/2018 11:05 PM
If you more concern about door security So Netgear Arlo is the best product to provide the high wireless security. It has a security system that records both video and audio. In my opinion, you can try this or If have any issue with that so here is a link https://www.netgearroutersupportnumber.com/netgear-arlo-support/ who gives you all the information about Netgear Arlo. The same product I also used a long time. Both services are awesome including product and backend.




I am using the same.!

Shocking since you're replying to yourself!

Spam.
GeorgeS21
(Florida)

Posts:1485


10/20/2018 3:51 PM  
Alex,

While I don't live in a condo, it seems to me that condo Boards need to quickly find a way through this - more and more devices of this nature are coming.

My personal opinion is that I would welcome audio/video and recording devices like this ... the data stream would seem to be protected sufficiently ... most of the devices are pretty small ...

I'm thinking now of the person who does not want you to know when she/he is entering or departing? What she/he is wearing when she does so? Then, I think, well, you could actually see someone leaving if you have a door view lens, right?
StanleyB4
(Virginia)

Posts:2


10/29/2018 8:41 AM  
Our Board recently updated our rules & regulations to allow the installation of RING security sensors. The unit owner must submit an architectural change request. We were very specific about how it could be mounted. The one style simply mounts on the existing doorbell with the same screws. Other styles require some other kind of attachment. Our rule says that they shall be attached with double-sided removeable tape onto the existing frame of the storm door (not a common element), or on the garage door trim. NO screws, nails, glue, or other methods that would mar the common element, interfere with painting or maintenance, or scar or discolor the paint will be approved. We also said that any device that emits an audible noise will not be approved. Fortunately, the front doors of our units are far enough apart that questions about invasion of privacy did not become an issue. Be advised that there are other manufacturers of similar devices. We will review all requests, and they will be approved, or disapproved, on a case by case basis.
GlenM4
(Tennessee)

Posts:141


10/29/2018 12:36 PM  
I would make a call to the district attorney and see what they say. but also make sure that the security camera is positioned in a way that it can catch only the rented apartment, and it will not violate the privacy of other tenants, their guests, and the neighborhoods. Otherwise, you are very likely to have legal issues with the security camera installed around the apartment. Also if possible turn on the sound feature. May also want to talk to your neighbor and see if they would like for you to monitor there door and let them know if anyone is going in or out.?
GlenM4
(Tennessee)

Posts:141


10/29/2018 12:36 PM  
I would make a call to the district attorney and see what they say. but also make sure that the security camera is positioned in a way that it can catch only the rented apartment, and it will not violate the privacy of other tenants, their guests, and the neighborhoods. Otherwise, you are very likely to have legal issues with the security camera installed around the apartment. Also if possible turn on the sound feature. May also want to talk to your neighbor and see if they would like for you to monitor there door and let them know if anyone is going in or out.?
RoyalP


Posts:0


11/10/2018 10:01 AM  
..... The federal statute is very clear when it comes to the interception of oral communications. Unless there is consent by one of the parties, an intercept and recording is unlawful. If an unattended camera is covering a public place then the visual recording is ok, but any oral recording would not be ok. State laws may be even more limiting and require that both parties consent. .....



PERFECT
RaffiM
(California)

Posts:7


10/24/2019 2:25 PM  
I am having the same type of issue here in California, I recently purchased a condo in an older association and along with me there have been at 6-7 new owners (out of 20 total units) that have bought in alongside me within the last year.

The building is in pretty rough shape, and more than a few of the new owners paid market value and some and a few of us (myself included) who bought privately direct from the old owners, also most of the units in the building have never been remodeled since the 60's so every one of us new owners spent a small fortune remodeling our units happily we all the area and the charm of the building...
And we were all aware of buying into an HOA but we were not expecting a board like this.

So that being said, we have nothing in our HOA that states we can not have cameras.
There is a board of 3 members, two of those board members( who do not live on site they are renting their units out) own multiple units so whenever we've seen in the last year there is a vote there is no winning and they control everything.Because they literally own so many of the votes.

We have had a few incidents since we've been here over the last year, i.e. car break ins,
a neighboring property had a loose dog that came and attacked an owner on our property and the obvious porch pirate stealing packages .. along with homeless people camping in common areas and sometimes in the elevator. Some of us new owners have installed ring doorbells and blink cameras in our doorways so we can see in front of our doors(and a few those doors point down the hallway due to the direction of the door, but those do not see into any windows or doorways) all of our doors are set in, and all of our doors and walkways are open to the public so anyone can just come in off the Street.

Even though most of the owners on site are OK with the cameras there are the two board members above who keep saying it's a privacy issue (again public common area where there isn't a reasonable expectation of privacy) and now they plan on voting and changing the CC&R's, which we really shouldn't spend the money on because our funds are severely depleted and we have bigger things in need of the time and money like plumbing issues ect.

The new owner's all feel that the board does not want change and are doing this just to spite us and abuse power. What we are concerned about here is our safety and protecting our property and we feel that the A/V devices and the technicality of the law is what the board is going to use to make this change happen just because they can.
We all feel defenseless and defeated and more than a few of us are staring to regret the purchase of our homes.
It's like the CC&R's don't matter because if they don't like something they are just going to vote to change it. They are even considering a removal of our security doors which from my understanding have been installed by previous owners many years ago.

We are all looking for any loophole to be able to keep our rings.

Thank You.
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:6718


10/24/2019 4:06 PM  
Welcome to the Forum, Raffi. Even though you added to a post that seems so similar, I think you're better of starting a new thread because yours seems to b more about issues with the board than Ring per se.

By the way, read your CC&Rs. Maybe some of you nor owners should get together and read them together. It's almost always the case that only Owners with their votes of approval can change them and often the % approval ended to a pass is 2/3rd or even more.

How many units total do these two directors won of the 20 units?
MarkW18
(Florida)

Posts:270


10/24/2019 4:31 PM  
https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Hallway-Cameras
RaffiM
(California)

Posts:7


10/24/2019 4:59 PM  
Thank You @KerryL1,
one owner(board member) the one with the real issue here owns 3 then his employee
yes a person who works for him and is also a board member owns two that are rentals also ,(Personally that's a conflict of interest) that's 5 votes out of 20, but they have a few business partners who also own a few units so If I'm not mistaken the have around 9 votes anytime something happens so all they need is 2, and that's if everyone votes ... the rest of the votes either don't vote because they are renting out and just don't care they just send money whenever needed and the elderly don't vote because they forget or again just don't want to be envolved anymore(and I understand why) so if they don't vote and lets say 15-17 total people vote and 9 of those are from them nothing gets done or the wrong things get done like the last time where a bid for doing some work on the building they went with the higher bid by like 3k more for the same service. Trust me we all knew the situation of the Building and future assessments but non of us had any idea we would all be in for such unreasonable drama. Oh and to boot the board purposely has the HOA meetings at 5:30 on a weekday so almost no one can make it since normal people don't get off work until 6 and the owner open forum is usually over by 6. At any given meeting that I've been to in the last year only 2-3 owners make it to the meetings... even I have miss a few during the year I've been here.

Thanks Again and I will post this in the other forum also, but again all we care about is to be able to keep our ring camera's. Most people just want to live here and enjoy it.
MarkW18
(Florida)

Posts:270


10/25/2019 10:22 AM  
I understand that Ring has a new Peephole camera, which might fit peoples needs. It replaces the peephole in the front door.
RaffiM
(California)

Posts:7


10/25/2019 1:56 PM  
@MarkW18 The ring peephole camera would not work in my situation because it would be an architectural
violation because there is part of it that hangs out on the door and our doors are beautiful vintage doors ... I have more of a chance fighting the architectural issues with the ring on the wall because its newer and nicer than the original doorbell, my biggest concern here is that it is not in the hoa that we cant have cameras and the board just wants to make a new rule because everyone is putting them in ... only one board member has an issue .. the argument is privacy and where they are put there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and there is no rule saying we cant have them ... and our hoa's were re-written in 2017 so if they are re-amended it would cost a lot of money. Even adding cameras to the building would cost a lot of money ... money that needs to be spent elsewhere.
I feel likes its bullying
we all play by the rules and follow them... but this is a matter of personal safety. There is no rule saying we can't have them so why make one up? Because you can...because you have board power. This is happening because this board has not seen this many new owners in a very long time and it's a change,
there has to be some rights here like being grandfathered in. This why I am here asking for help.
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