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TracyeH
(North Carolina)

Posts:15


04/02/2017 12:19 AM  
At our birdbath of a pool we have several regular people that attend. They bring their kids up there for the day. A lot of alcohol gets consumed up there and I was wondering if anyone else has tried to stop the alcohol at the pool and were there any insurance benefits from it. 65 homes is a cluster home development
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:6413


04/02/2017 4:27 AM  
We just banned glass bottles. If you want to drink at a pool, so what? Someone gets out of line, then call the police. It's not the HOA's responsibility to be the "Moral" police. There is no insurance issues with drinking or not drinking... Liability is liability is liability... Putting too much effort into prevention does NOT create an ounce of cure. It makes the worst case scenario obscure...

Former HOA President
PitA
(South Carolina)

Posts:1200


04/02/2017 5:53 AM  
Melissa,

Most likely ANY GLASS was ALREADY banned by the State of Alabama.

Are the GOVERNMENTAL pool rules not posted ?

http://images.mypoolsigns.com/img/lg/S/state-pool-rules-sign-s-7589.png
JohnC46
(South Carolina)

Posts:6553


04/02/2017 6:00 AM  
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2017 4:27 AM
We just banned glass bottles. If you want to drink at a pool, so what? Someone gets out of line, then call the police. It's not the HOA's responsibility to be the "Moral" police. There is no insurance issues with drinking or not drinking... Liability is liability is liability... Putting too much effort into prevention does NOT create an ounce of cure. It makes the worst case scenario obscure...




Well said.
KellyM3
(North Carolina)

Posts:1255


04/02/2017 6:46 AM  
Posted By TracyeH on 04/02/2017 12:19 AM
At our birdbath of a pool we have several regular people that attend. They bring their kids up there for the day. A lot of alcohol gets consumed up there and I was wondering if anyone else has tried to stop the alcohol at the pool and were there any insurance benefits from it. 65 homes is a cluster home development





Hi Tracy,

Pool alcohol rules are very tough to evenly enforce without a full-time attendant. Easy-to-read pool rules are about the best you'll do w/ those being "insurance friendly." People who willfully read the sign at the entrance and ignore it practically opt-out of any legal excuse they were uninformed they could get drunk and fall in the pool.

We are a strict as we can be about glass bottles, though. When those bottles break, it causes a cleanup situation and a potential pool shutdown, which is a cash cost.
PitA
(South Carolina)

Posts:1200


04/02/2017 9:20 AM  
........ and a potential pool shutdown, which is a cash cost.



WRONG ..... Draining the pool for inspection is REQUIRED as glass in water is (virtually) invisible, inspection by a 'diver' would be even MORE expensive.


? Don't believe me ? Check with your 'authority having jurisdiction' who issued the annual 'pool operating permit'. or Ask your insurer.
TracyeH
(North Carolina)

Posts:15


04/02/2017 10:35 AM  
Thanks everyone for the feedback and opinions, I appreciate both.
PitA
(South Carolina)

Posts:1200


04/02/2017 2:20 PM  
North Carolina Pool Regulations:

"Public Swimming Pools

The Environmental Health Public Swimming Pools Program regulates the construction and operation of pools used by multiple families for swimming, bathing, recreation or therapy."

(even though you are a 'private' HOA your pool is considered public)


Required Signage: http://ehs.ncpublichealth.com/faf/pti/docs/RequiredPoolSigns2005.pdf

Statutes: http://ehs.ncpublichealth.com/faf/pti/docs/GS130A_280-282.pdf

Regulations: http://ehs.ncpublichealth.com/docs/rules/294306-9-2500.pdf



Y'all do far too much thinking and questioning and far too little reading and compliance with EXISTING rules and regs.


...this took me all of 10 minutes to locate and post...



TracyeH
(North Carolina)

Posts:15


04/02/2017 8:41 PM  
Thanks I appreciate the 10 minutes of your time Honestly if I knew more about the HOA stuff I would never joined here. I came here looking for support and answers and that's what I've gotten from everyone. I appreciate it
So thanks!
GenoS
(Florida)

Posts:1169


04/03/2017 3:57 AM  
Don't forget proper attire. We had some owners last year who insisted that only "appropriate" swimwear be worn at the pool. Some visiting female guests were seen wearing thongs. Shocking! Cover up that exposed flesh and the drinking will stop. Maybe. On second thought, maybe not. Never mind.
MelissaP1
(Alabama)

Posts:6413


04/03/2017 3:25 PM  
We do have an "Open container" law here in Alabama. You can hold a drink all day long even while driving... as long as you do NOT pop the top or expose it. It can't even be in a cup. We have to have an ordinance passed in our downtown area for special events involving alcohol. There are actual painted borders on the sidewalks/streets stating where you can and can not drink openly.

So we could call the police for drinking to enforce the law. However, we mostly turned a blind eye to a few beers or solo cup as long as they weren't crossing lines. Everyone deserves to drink a beer and relax at the pool as long as responsible.

Former HOA President
KerryL1
(California)

Posts:3857


04/03/2017 4:41 PM  
We have no restrictions about alcohol in the pool area or in the BBQ area. In the pool area, like others, we have strict rules against glass containers of any kind for obvious reasons.

Since there are twin residential towers on two sides of the pool area, we do have strict rules against loud behavior and roughhousing. We also have rules against large pool toys as they take up too much room.

We rarely have problems, but if we do, we have security officers who quiet down the pool users or have them remove their glass bottles. So making new rules only can work if they're enforceable, and embers of the board often aren't willing to enforce the rules.

We would never call the police unless out & out violence occurred.

Our CC&Rs allow us to remove amenities privileges for repeat offenders of our (many) rules, so we could resort to that if a resident simply refused to comply.

We l also have a rule that residents must accompany their guests to the pool.

JanetB2
(Colorado)

Posts:2849


04/03/2017 9:06 PM  
Posted By JohnC46 on 04/02/2017 6:00 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2017 4:27 AM
We just banned glass bottles. If you want to drink at a pool, so what? Someone gets out of line, then call the police. It's not the HOA's responsibility to be the "Moral" police. There is no insurance issues with drinking or not drinking... Liability is liability is liability... Putting too much effort into prevention does NOT create an ounce of cure. It makes the worst case scenario obscure...


Well said.


Hmmm ... Stop alcohol consumed at the pool at the vacation home in Las Vegas. I don't think that would fly with majority of homeowners. Glass containers are not allowed, but you know it is somewhat known as the "City of Sin"
MichelleK5
(New York)

Posts:117


04/04/2017 6:08 AM  
No eating or drinking at our pool, and no one seems to care. Not an issue.
KellyM3
(North Carolina)

Posts:1255


04/11/2017 8:17 PM  
Posted By PitA on 04/02/2017 9:20 AM
........ and a potential pool shutdown, which is a cash cost.



WRONG ..... Draining the pool for inspection is REQUIRED as glass in water is (virtually) invisible, inspection by a 'diver' would be even MORE expensive.


? Don't believe me ? Check with your 'authority having jurisdiction' who issued the annual 'pool operating permit'. or Ask your insurer.




PiTA,

Some of us have developed tangible, property management skills and relationships as part of sitting on an HOA board. We know the rules. We also know how to keep our residents safe and might can hire divers who'll stand behind their inspection. Who knows? It's all theoretical on here.

Stop with silly HOA "boss" stuff. Blah.
LetA
(Nevada)

Posts:147


04/12/2017 1:32 PM  
When it comes to glass containers around the pool, it is a health code violation. When it comes to alcohol, think Red Solo Cup..
Can it be enforced? Yes it can. but it would be frivolous to a private security guard to even want to enforce. " I wouldn't"
When you say allot of alcohol gets consumed, does it get to the point of drunk and disorderly conduct? or is it people just enjoying a brewski or cup of wine
while soaking in the hot tub? If it's drunk and disorderly conduct then that is an issue for the police if you elect to evolve them. Otherwise I would add to your security company's post orders that anyone with alcohol at the pool will be cited and called to a board meeting.
PitA
(South Carolina)

Posts:1200


04/12/2017 2:26 PM  
KellyM3,

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