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BryanM4 (Illinois)
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In December, our association voted in a 5 member board, of which I'm a member, to work with the builder on turning over the HOA. The builder is ready to turnover the documents to us. The builder also has a punch list from the village of items to fix like curbs, sidewalks, etc. This is between the village and the builder and the builder has a $750k bond with the village. Some board members want the punch list from the village completed before the HOA is turned over. I feel that the village's punch list is completely independent of the HOA turnover and has no bearing on the turn over. Should we proceed to turn over or wait until the village's punch list is complete? Also, neither the village or the builder will provide the board with the punch list. Thank you.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Hi Bryan: Welcome to the forum.

If you voted in a new BOD then you are turned over. All you are waiting for is the past HOA documents and other items to be received from the developer for your files. Neither side is going to give you a copy of the punch list because it is not your business. If there are items not repaired then the BOD can take up the issue with the city prior to city releasing the developer. Keep an eye on upcoming city agendas if work has not been completed so you can disagree with releasing developer.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Actually depending on your state laws the village maybe should provide a copy if asked as it could be considered public info.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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The two biggest headache for most HOA's in a turnover is no reserve fund and unaccepted roads. I say if the issues between the developer and the town is related to turning over the roads as in getting the town to accept them, then the HOA most certainly has a vested interested and should stay on top of , be a party to, the issue.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By BryanM4 on 01/28/2015 2:33 PM
Some board members want the punch list from the village completed before the HOA is turned over.

I'd say it would be more important to work with your village representatives to make sure the bond is not released until the punch list is done. Hiring your own engineer to do an inspection to make sure everything is in good shape might not hurt either. Ideally, if any issues where found, that info could be passed on to the village to add to their punch list.

I don't see where trying to "halt the turnover", even if it could be done, would serve any purpose. I don't see where it would give you any more leverage over the developer. After turnover the board has access to the association funds and can hire attorneys, etc. if needed. Before turnover, that would have to be done out of homeowner pockets.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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In our recent turnover we had 4 of 112 owners who banded together and raised a stink about several issues. As they were unprepared to put their money where their mouth was, they were smiled at and thanked for their concern and the turnover took place.

If I had real concerns about something happening, I would put my money where my mouth is. I would hire an attorney and legally try to stop it from happening.

I often wonder how many of the 4 out of 112 types we see out here? I think the majority are such.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/28/2015 4:29 PM
The two biggest headache for most HOA's in a turnover is no reserve fund and unaccepted roads. I say if the issues between the developer and the town is related to turning over the roads as in getting the town to accept them, then the HOA most certainly has a vested interested and should stay on top of , be a party to, the issue.


Hi Bryan

Are the streets being dedicated or will they be owned by the HOA?

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Bryan,

In response to your question, I agree that the items on the punch list should be completed prior to the membership accepting the common areas and before the transition is completed.

Additionally, Here are some links that may be useful:

Developer/Homeowner Transition: A Guide To Success

Developer Transition in a Community Association

Best Practices - Transition from the Foundation for Community Association Research (pdf document)

Developertransition.com This website is intended to specifically address the issues facing townhome, condominium, and homeowner associations in North Carolina. [still has good general information as well]

Transistion Plan an HOA's formalized plan for transition.

Subject: HOA transition from developer control to homeowner control Thread in HOATalk that discusses having a Transition Study done by an engineering firm.

I've also attached the checklist that is typically provided by many on this site when there is a discussion about transitioning.
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BryanM4 (Illinois)
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The roads will be turned over to the village upon the their approval and release of the bond. They will not be owned by the HOA. The only things the HOA will have are some common property (grassy areas) and 3 ponds. Thanks every one for your comments.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Bryan,

Since the Association will have storm water detention ponds, you may be interested in the following thread:

Subject: Retention Ponds

Additionally, if the roads are going to be turned over to the city/county, then I believe that transition should wait until those roads are accepted by the city/county. Otherwise, the Association may be on the hook to bring them up to code if problems are found before the city will accept them.
BryanM4 (Illinois)
Posts: 4
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Thanks everyone for your input. It seems the answers vary from turn it over ASAP to wait until the punch list is finished. It's the same variance I receive when I talk to various management companies too.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Check with the Village ... Ask them if the HOA could be held liable for any items the Developer does not properly complete for the subdivision or noted on the punch list.

I would bet what we call here Site Improvement Agreement (SIA) and which your city has something similar on file is between the Developer and the City and has nothing to do with the Association. That is why the Developer had to put up $750K to be held in escrow until all work properly completed and released by the city. Until he completes the punch list to their satisfaction they will hold that $750K, so he will want to get it done as soon as possible. This would also be the time for any items the Association is to maintain and improve in the future to have those checked out yourselves to make sure correct and no issues. If there are any issues bring them to the attention of the city prior to them releasing the Developer and his $$$.

The individual new owners do not have any written contract themselves with the city to construct the subdivision or perform certain work (other than future maintenance of possibly sidewalk in front of home if needs repair, etc. as noted in your city ordinances), so I would guess the City will tell you that the new owners cannot be held responsible for developer not performing. But, if in doubt ask them …

CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Are you saying that the roads will be turned over to the Village, meaning the HOA will become 100% responsible?

Your situation sounds similar to one we had years ago, our builder had to take care of the punch list before the county released his bond so he was very interested in correcting the issues. Our road is still a county road though.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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John,

I'm of the understanding that the village = the city
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By CyrstalB on 01/30/2015 4:07 AM
Are you saying that the roads will be turned over to the Village, meaning the HOA will become 100% responsible?

Your situation sounds similar to one we had years ago, our builder had to take care of the punch list before the county released his bond so he was very interested in correcting the issues. Our road is still a county road though.


City, village, town, borough, etc. as in the HOA does not own nor maintain the roads the prior whatever entity does.
BryanM4 (Illinois)
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Yes, the village does = the city. The HOA will have no responsibility in taking care of the roads.

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