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DarleneP3 (Maryland)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Thinking about becoming self-managed due to 1) finances-cannot afford to pay a managing agent and 2)contract expires and we do not want to renew with current company due to many issues of not honoring contract.
What is the best way to effectively self-manage a small community less than 150 homes.
We've looked into BBT assocaition services for billings and collections.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Well, it all depends.

I did an HOA of 40 pretty simple... we had monthly dues, but we did not send out notices, etc.. people were simply expected to pay each month, or each year, if they wished. I hired a bookkeeper for a few bucks a month to check the mail, deposit checks, keep the books, and file a monthly report on income/outgo for me. $50/month or less, if i recall. Worked well for us, but your mileage may vary.

If your owners expect a billing statement each month go out to them, and reminders, late notices, extra late reminder notices, etc., it can be a nightmare and a lot more work. In my HOA, you paid, if you didn't, you got ONE letter as a reminder. If you were late after that, the late fee was added automatically. And, once a year, we sent balance sheets out to those who were behind.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Darlene,

We are a community of 130 lots and are self managed.
We do hire an independent bookkeeper to collect, track and deposit assessments.
Therefore, what you are looking at doing is possible.

The best way is to be self managed is to be organized.
Once your organized, create a calender of association events to be used as a guide of when things need to be done.
You should also create a calender of scheduled maintenance/replacement for your capital components (this should be easily created based off of information within your Reserve Study).

It will take some time to get this in place. Once you do, the mechanics should be fairly easy.

Hope this helps,

Tim
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Another service you may want to look at is Buildium. http://association-management.buildium.com

Another idea is to check into your current bank to see if they have a lockbox service like BBT.
CarolP11 (Michigan)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I am the president of a self-managed single family development with private roads and 126 1-6 acre home sites. Our board has 5 members and our dues are currently $750/year (up from $500 for the past 5 years). There are currently 5 homes under construction and another 6 or 7 lots remaining in the sub which are not yet built. The oldest phase in the sub began about 16 years ago. We employ no one to collect dues or pay bills but rely entirely upon volunteers. Please email me at [email protected] if you have questions. I guess that we save $500 per lot by not having a management company (given that we have almost 4 miles of private roads that must be plowed and maintained, as well as common areas and entrances to maintain). Can anybody tell me how much management companies charge? How do they respond to homeowner complaints and the need to repair or replace something? It is not easy to run the association without any outside help, but in a way it is satisfying.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Carol:

This will greatly depend upon various areas; however, I checked our area and the following were some averages calculated:

312 Units @ 27.00 ea/yr
62 Units @ 30.00 ea/yr
63 Units @ 42.00 ea/yr
42 Units @ 43.00 ea/yr

From prior conversations with the numerous HOA officers potentially the cost difference depends on what services you want to have them perform. The lower priced ones are mostly for managing the monetary/meeting aspects (dues, bills, balance sheets, annual meeting details, HOA records, etc.) and the higher priced would include items such as managing the maintenance (contractor separate charge for actual maintenance performed) and/or CCR enforcement.

LOL … I much prefer the $450 per year for entire association bookkeeping we have, but did check on MC costs to compare prices awhile back myself. Again, this will vary as I am in CO and you are in MI, but should give you at least some idea of a estimated cost range which I broke down by per unit then rounded.

CarolP11 (Michigan)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Janet,

Thank you very much for your reply. Sorry I have not acknowledged it sooner. That is great information I will compare to the amounts that management companies are charging here. The lowest quote I got was $750/mo to pay the bills and keep the books, nothing else. That sounded high. Each letter sent to enforce CCR's (we call them the restrictions) would have a separate charge, as would all other services.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
DarleneP3,
HOA property management costs depend on several factors, all of which relate to the time and expertise required.

Besides area of the country, some of the factor are:
1) Type of HOA management agreement - FULL SERVICES, only selective limited services, just a bookkeeper.
2) type of units - condos and townhomes require more time than single family units.
3) number of units - the more units the lower the cost per unit.
4) common area maintenance - amount of common area and number and type of amenities- pool, private roads, etc.
5) number of meetings and the specialized requirements and time related thereto. Such as, take and distribute minutes, conduct meetings, means of distribution of notices of meetings, provide parlimentarian, etc.

The following are actual cost/unit/month for FULL SERVICES WITH NO HIDDEN COSTS:
531 single family homes - $3
71 single family homes - $8
22 single family homes - $15 (Note- time involved per unit is significantly greater)
89 townhomes/16 buildings - $11 (Note- time involved for maintenance is significantly greater)

Note: Our management agreements list the services provided at a monthly rate; plus a per hour rate for any other services requested by the Board.

You may wonder why 22 single family homes chose full services HOA property management. There is often a misconception "we can not afford the cost". Oh! Well our company is often told "You save the HOA more than we pay you". Another reason is the few owners willing to serve on the Board get burned out after a while. Another may be they realize the risk involved when they are not aware of all the laws. Or those willing to serve as Board members are not good at managing the subdivision and as a result the HOA ends up being sued. Another is to provide continuity from old Board to new Board. Those are some of the reasons we have heard from Board members.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
The topic reminded me of the folling post made 6 years ago.

01/02/2006 10:20 AM Quote Reply
The following comments are based on my experience serving on self-managed boards in three states and serving many associations in Colorado as their professional manager. I would really like to hear from those of you who have other opinions.

Thanks,
RogerB

1. Which do you prefer and why?
When possible I prefer a good professional managing Agent who will protect the investment in my home and the quality of life in my community. Of course, for voluntary HOAs the owners can not be forced to pay an assessment so the association has no guaranteed funds to commit to a managing agent.

2. What do you see as the pros and cons of each?
Self-management
Pro - A greater sense of control by some board members and the belief that the assessment will be lower when not paying for professional management.

Con - When the board of directors is not knowledgeable and conscientious there can be many problems, including doing a poor job and having the potential for significantly greater expenses. Do you realize the potential financial liability to such board members?

Professional management
Pro - a good managing agent can provide guidance which can result in better board decisions and handling of problems; reduce potential for major legal expenses; save the association money through reduced costs for contractors and other services; provide more effective enforcement of restrictions; better accounting; and more.

Con - Management companies that are too expensive, have inexperienced Agents, and/or function independently rather than as part of the HOA team under guidelines established by the board.

3. What is your major complaint on management of your association?
From my experience the most common complaints are, respectively:
a) poor board of directors, especially the President.
b) poor managing Agent.
c) failure to have realistic architectural modification guidelines.

4. How do you evaluate management of your association?
a) the quality of life maintained in the community.
b) the maintenance of homes and associated increase of property values with time.
c) any law suits.
d) communications provided.

5. Where do you think self management is more effective?
Knowing what I now know, I would not live in a self managed HOA again.

6. Where do you think professional management is more effective?
Always more effective assuming a good managing Agent is used. Preferably one who’s cost is more than offset by reducing total expenses
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Carol:

Glad to help, but again keep in mind I am in Colorado so there will be differences. I noticed Roger also quoted some costs which are broke down by per month and yet are also close to my per year prices from our surrounding neighborhoods. There are various pros and cons to also be considered. For instance if a board has been the same individuals for a long period of time and nobody else is willing to step up to the plate to take their turn, then a Management Company can help relieve some of the stress and burden from those willing to serve. If you are not willing to take turns, then you should be willing to pay the extra money to hire a Management Company for the above and beyond service they can provide and which gives others a break to some extent.
NicoleC4 (Illinois)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I live in a small 5 unit townhome association that is self managed. I beg them every time we have a meeting to consider hiring a management service because things have gotten so out of control. I would really think about it before you switch to self management. Maybe it is harder for us because there are only 5 units, I don't know. Had I realized when I bought my home the drama I would have to deal with - and no one really "in charge" to handle problems - I would never have moved in. I wish you better luck.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
We have a 8 unit complex in Los Angeles and have a Management Company. We pay $250 a month or $31.25 per unit.

Having served on the Board for 6 of the 8 years the HOA has been in existence I would not for any reason serve if we didn't have a management company.
Why? We have dealt with rental issues, renters who are not obeying our Association policies, issues with our Association taxes prior to developer even buying from previous owner (they failed to file taxes for the Association), Units not paying their dues, units going into foreclosure, property repairs to name a FEW issues. Apart from the fact that I will never live in an HOA again as I absolutely hate it while I'm here I will do my best to support the Association but not without the help and protection that an HOA Management company provides. To me the buffer that they provide between the Board and the problems we have is well worth the $31.25 I pay a month for their service.

JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
I'm with David.

I was in a 10-unit complex. We went through three management companies. They dumped us after a certain board member contacted them. That board member's husband is now running the board.

Without a management company we've had problems with the board recognizing California state civil codes. And not just the Davis-Stirling Act.

Self-management is possible, but not easy. It means that everyone has to make an effort to do what's best for the group and volunteer to help.

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